2010.01.25 Hearing

[kaRN]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered...too much reading to catch up at this point...

One of the talking heads on either HLN or TruTV said the felony conviction can only come up if Casey takes the stand. Is that true? Is there no other way to get her conviction into evidence at the murder trial?

TIA

btw...I honestly thought Casey look pretty good today compared to her last few appearances. But, her apology to Amy was pathetically contrived and obviously coached. I'm glad Amy took the high road and didn't show up. Poor kid's been through enough thanks to her "friend". I'm happy Amy finally got some justice.

It will come in during AH's testimony I'd think and if convicted, it's an aggravating factor I believe.

 

[chefmom]

ita. I tell myself it's done and caylee cant be hurt now....


...but I think the only way the state can hope tp prove murder 1 is if both kc and caylee's prints are still on the tape.

I know what you mean. I'm hoping it's KC's print on the outside and Caylees teethprints on the inside. (Geesh! That hurt to type that)

 

[Harmony 2]

No. Oakridge does not have them. The FBI does. Oakridge has other evidence that they have not turned over yet, but the fingerprints are with the FBI for certain.

LDB said they had handed over 90% so 10% is still forthcoming. There is well over ++++1405 pages that we have seen. 10% ??... I wonder how much that equates to in pages.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Is the hearing over? I thought that Equusearch Records were Among Topics To Be Covered today?

No, I believe MN filed a Motion to Continue on behalf of TM....

 

[italianangel2411]

eh a little disappointed that casey didnt have to utter the word guilty and that theres no trial date and probably wont be this summer.....just want justice for caylee already

 

[PrintGal]

Went home for lunch to watch and glad I did for the comedy value. Jose needs to join Toastmasters and get some experience with public speaking. Do you think JS gets weary of having to give a lesson in practicing law to JB at each and every hearing? KC not looking so smug anymore. Loved first sentence out of SA's mouth in response to JB's contention that KC was being descriminated against. Other than that much as expected....

 

[logicalgirl]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered...too much reading to catch up at this point...

One of the talking heads on either HLN or TruTV said the felony conviction can only come up if Casey takes the stand. Is that true? Is there no other way to get her conviction into evidence at the murder trial?

TIA

btw...I honestly thought Casey look pretty good today compared to her last few appearances. But, her apology to Amy was pathetically contrived and obviously coached. I'm glad Amy took the high road and didn't show up. Poor kid's been through enough thanks to her "friend". I'm happy Amy finally got some justice.

Casey, or Cindy or George or Lee - we have to think the prosecution is going to call at least one of those people up and they can bring up the convictions up with one of them- I think it was RH who said that. Where is that man when we need him!!!

 

[QB.]

LDB said they had handed over 90% so 10% is still forthcoming. There is well over ++++1405 pages that we have seen. 10% ??... I wonder how much that equates to in pages.

yeah, I know I was doing the math too - could be a sizable release yet to come.
Can we have it now please?:innocent:

 

[chefmom]

Well, who else could they be from... Hmmmm let's see, wasn't LA granted limited immunity? Somebody plz. correct me if I'm wrong about that....

Yes, because he "knows what he's done"!

 

[mommaearth]

magic-cat will this latent print evidence become part of discovery? Will we get to see this information before trial?

It will be part of discovery unless the defense files a motion to supress it and it is granted.

sorry to jump in there magic cat

 

[Eidetic]

KC's comments-Croc Tears, She has no remorse for what she did in the check fraud charges case. Its All Smoke and Mirrors. This hearing is a cake walk compared to what the murder trial will be. Baez and Co may be torn to shreds in that trial. This hearing is just the tip of the iceberg.

I didn't see any tears. I have yet to see anguish or feeling as though having been conquered from her. It's apparent fury is her go to feeling.

Ewwww, she's looking into the camera.

 

[Cat13067]

Now I may appear slow but does this mean going into the murder trial KC will be a convicted felon?

Yes, but not on all 13 counts.

 

[The World According]

Why would the FBI or Oakridge hold anything back from either side?
This is something I do not understand!

I believe it is the bench notes that Mrs. Kenney -Badden wanted to "educate" the judge on, many months ago. She said that in her experience the FBI will not hand those over to her, that the State has to request them. The state insisted it is not their role to procure things the defense wants. The judge told the defense, request it from them (FBI) first, we'll see where that stands, then we may have to litigate it ( meaning between the FBI and defense ).

It appears the defense is still calling the state to get this info when the judge already explained months ago the path he wanted them to take, go to FBI , make the request, get their written response, file a document with the court asking for relief....

A first grader could follow instructions better. Maybe he should ask them everyone who understands my ruling place your finger on your nose.

Mr. Ashton interjected, for God's sake have Mrs. Kenney -Badden call me and stop wasting time sending messages through six different people, she and I can have a productive conversation. (I am paraphrasing).

The interesting thing to me today was Andrea saying that if the defense was made to pay for the state coming to depose Roy's ex wife, perhaps the defense would need to declare Casey indigent. Obviously, besides being ill - prepared....money is a problem. I have been wondering how long it would take them to declare this. Maybe the pro bono publicity has lived its life and now she and Baez are thinking better to get some pay from the state than none.

She must have realized the public backlash to her book tour, she made sure to let the judge know she sacrificed and appeared today and had someone else teach her class, although she is normally only available on Thursdays and Fridays. I am sure he could not care less.

Once Roy's ex gets examined in a depo under oath by the state.....it is going to be painfully obvious to her and the defense that this was a big big mistake on their part.
Q. Did you press charges for these alleged crimes?
A . no
Q. Did you pick up the phone and alert police or the FBI of your concern that Mr. Kronk murdered this child?
A. no
Q. Have you ever been convicted of a felony?
A. Yes
Q. Were those convictions for crimes of dishonesty?
A. yes
Q. How much money have you been paid by media for your story and or photos?

They will have her at hello.

 

[mommaearth]

yeah, I know I was doing the math too - could be a sizable release yet to come.
Can we have it now please?:innocent:

That would be about 140 pages :woohoo: lots still to come. I bet they save the best for last.

 

[ecs5298]

JA stated that the defense had requested materials from Oak Ridge but Oak Ridge is refusing to send it.

What this may mean is that the defense could be asking for anything (like personal credit histories, personal medical histories or any other stupid thing the defense might want). It may not have anything to do with the evidence at all. JA's point was that the State didn't have a dog in that fight and JS suggested that Oakridge needed to send it's lawyers to argue why the defense requests were denied.

Didn't hear anything about latent prints, although, I was watching it on InSession so it may have happened while on commercial.

I've always said that we won't see the smoking gun evidence until right before the trial or the last cut off date to turn over discovery. I'm sure they don't want to show their hand until the absolute last minute.

JMHO as always.

 

[AZlawyer]

Casey, or Cindy or George or Lee - we have to think the prosecution is going to call at least one of those people up and they can bring up the convictions up with one of them- I think it was RH who said that. Where is that man when we need him!!!

I believe RH was pointing out that if any of the A's testify about any statement made by Casey (i.e., "she was not concerned, and explained to me that she had just spoken with Caylee on the phone earlier that day"), then the judge might permit the state to introduce Casey's felony convictions to show that Casey is not a credible witness.

I think the felony convictions are really beside the point when it comes to Casey. The jury is going to figure out that Casey is a liar without having to infer that fact from her felony convictions.

 

[QB.]

That would be about 140 pages :woohoo: lots still to come. I bet they save the best for last.

I think there has been well over 10,000 pages of discovery released so far.

 

[Oakley]

LDB said they had handed over 90% so 10% is still forthcoming. There is well over ++++1405 pages that we have seen. 10% ??... I wonder how much that equates to in pages.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they've held the most damning results close to the vest. I know I would have.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

She looked mighty relaxed at the start when they brought her in too Woe. I think it has to do with the truth setting her free. At one point while the lawyers were arguing, the camera focused on KC and I had a premonition she'll plea the murder charges. She wasn't fidgting as much today. I don't know. :waitasec:

I'm a sucker for an apology I guess. I realize KC had to say what she did to Amy but I found myself believing that she was actually feeling some remorse. But then, when I saw her smiling at the end and looking all pleasant, it set me off again. It's like she switches it on and off. Her mother didn't switch on a believable cry though - that was total b.s. imo.

I just watched KC apologize again - acting imo. Geez.

 

[debbie0604]

It's a law in Fla that all convicted felons submit dna.

It's a law in GA too BTW.