2010.01.25 Hearing

[kaRN]

The "discrimination part" really got me.... like... WHO likes a mother who kills her child? I see no "discrimination" there. She's just..... not liked... that's all. Good grief!!

A reasonably affluent, young , attractive, literate, caucasian, felon of a female with a so called dream team is being discriminated against. Hahaha :banghead:

My teenage son spoke more coherently and passionately in his last school debate than JB does. The trial is going to be painful at this rate. He may actually bore jurors to death.

 

[Searchfortruth]

State mentions the latent fingerprints here at about 16:50

http://www.wftv.com/video/22335862/index.html

 

[kaRN]

Who in the world is George besides George Anthony?

Amy`s lawyer representing her in court today.

 

[QB.]

Could those files have been dropped on purpose??? To take the attention off of Casey...so everyone would look at him...and Casey could high five or shake hands with someone while handing off a note to her parents??? My first thought was..."it was staged".

But...I am at work and can only read...am not able to watch the mishandling of the files. I can't wait to watch later!:waitasec:

I think you give them far too much credit. I think it was an accident.
He dropped his folder and all the papers fell on the floor, there was nothing else going on, they were wrapping it up and AL was speaking to the judge.... then it happened, she stopped to look and then carried on.

I'm waiting to see who will capture this on a loop.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I believe it is the bench notes that Mrs. Kenney -Badden wanted to "educate" the judge on, many months ago. She said that in her experience the FBI will not hand those over to her, that the State has to request them. The state insisted it is not their role to procure things the defense wants. The judge told the defense, request it from them (FBI) first, we'll see where that stands, then we may have to litigate it ( meaning between the FBI and defense ).

It appears the defense is still calling the state to get this info when the judge already explained months ago the path he wanted them to take, go to FBI , make the request, get their written response, file a document with the court asking for relief....

A first grader could follow instructions better. Maybe he should ask them everyone who understands my ruling place your finger on your nose.

Mr. Ashton interjected, for God's sake have Mrs. Kenney -Badden call me and stop wasting time sending messages through six different people, she and I can have a productive conversation. (I am paraphrasing).

The interesting thing to me today was Andrea saying that if the defense was made to pay for the state coming to depose Roy's ex wife, perhaps the defense would need to declare Casey indigent. Obviously, besides being ill - prepared....money is a problem. I have been wondering how long it would take them to declare this. Maybe the pro bono publicity has lived its life and now she and Baez are thinking better to get some pay from the state than none.

She must have realized the public backlash to her book tour, she made sure to let the judge know she sacrificed and appeared today and had someone else teach her class, although she is normally only available on Thursdays and Fridays. I am sure he could not care less.

Once Roy's ex gets examined in a depo under oath by the state.....it is going to be painfully obvious to her and the defense that this was a big big mistake on their part.
Q. Did you press charges for these alleged crimes?
A . no
Q. Did you pick up the phone and alert police or the FBI of your concern that Mr. Kronk murdered this child?
A. no
Q. Have you ever been convicted of a felony?
A. Yes
Q. Were those convictions for crimes of dishonesty?
A. yes
Q. How much money have you been paid by media for your story and or photos?

They will have her at hello.

Oh My Gosh, I finally got something about the Sunshine Laws. I'm sure I'm about to state the obvious for most of you but it just became clear to me why the most convicting evidence gets left for last. The Defense would not request fingerprint evidence because the fingerprint evidence would convict their client and leave no room for reasonable doubt. The State may know about the print/s but because it's lawful for the FBI to hold on to the evidence in case some other reason comes up for them refer to it, they are not required to expose the evidence according to the Sunshine law. JB would have to ask for fingerprint evidence directly. Do I have this right? The Defense would not ask for damning evidence about their client even though they are dying to know what concrete evidence there is as well. If I were them, I'd assume they have a KC's fingerprint on the tape. The State has no reason/desire to hand that evidence over because they don't have to unless it is specifically asked for. What am I missing?

Also I sense that the Judge keeps trying to tell JB to brush up on the policies of how to obtain discovery, but JB is either playing dumb or is dumb. He keeps insisting that the State give him everything but that's not how it works under the law. Since JB wants to rewrite all laws in order to help KC, he keeps stomping his foot and the Judge is :waitasec: what don't you understand JB? I told you that you must request that, pay for it, etc. JB keeps saying, but I don't want to do it that way, etc. You know the song by Barry Manilow "I Write the Songs ...". JB's themesong should be "I Want to Write the Laws ...".

 

[Searchfortruth]

I think you give them far too much credit. I think it was an accident.
He dropped his folder and all the papers fell on the floor, there was nothing else going on, they were wrapping it up and AL was speaking to the judge.... then it happened, she stopped to look and then carried on.

I'm waiting to see who will capture this on a loop.

I looked at the end of tape 2 (Casey exiting court room) and saw nothing in her hand or Morts after they passed each other.

 

[kaRN]

Judge Strickland dropped a verbal pause in this statement. Sent me off into peals of laughter, until I realized I subconsciously added it anyway, drat it.

He definately accentuated the words or worse from my perspective.

 

[Tulessa]

Wow, welcome to our 110 guests!

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

Very interesting today.

To my understanding JB was arguing that "anyone else" having committed the check fraud would not be facing the counts/severity of charges Casey was-that Casey was some how facing a harsher punishment than historically, defendants of the same crime have had to endure.

Is/was JB saying that the SA is being "personal" in their handling of the check fraud case against Casey?

All of this was along with his theme of Casey, -Ms. Anthony if your nasty-being "unpopular." JB seemed to laugh at the ridiculousness of the obviousness that he/they were having to argue this only because the defendant in this case happens to be...Casey Anthony.

I felt like he was giving me the impression that said, "isn't it ridiculous that we are even standing here on something so minor as this? we all know that we are only here because...This Is Casey Anthony-duh, snort, snort...I mean come on!"

What I am trying to understand is this: I know that it is the defense's job to defend their client but is it always a theme/tactic that the defense claim there are personal motivations on the part the prosecution/court when it comes them bringing their case against Casey Anthony? ETA: or any case.

I was almost waiting for the judge to say, "hey, SA...sounds like JB is saying that you guys only want to give grief to Casey Anthony on this issue because you don't like her-she's not popular. Is that true?" I know the judge isn't going to say something like that but why is JB allowed to make that accusation and it go unanswered?

JB continued using the idea of Casey being unpopular as examples of the many different ways she was not being treated equal and was asking the judge to see that and counter act that even though that "may be unpopular." If I heard that right he is insinuating for a moment that the judge be strong and rule for what is right, having the 'whatever' to overcome doing something that would be seen as 'unpopular' but what is the right thing to do under the law.

I got the impression JB feels there are a lot of people out to get his client. Is this part of making Casey seem like a victim? Is this a normal part of an allowed defense, to make it seem like the prosecution and the judge are corrupt?

I am just giving my impressions as a person who is watching my first ever court case. As that person, if I were to believe JB-I would be left with the impression that the system Casey is being tried under is corrupt.

:cow:

 

[Leila]

KC is sorry, but not for what she did. She's sorry she got caught.

Exactly! She'd do it again in a heartbeat if she thought she'd get away with it.

 

[QB.]

Oh My Gosh, I finally got something about the Sunshine Laws. I'm sure I'm about to state the obvious for most of you but it just became clear to me why the most convicting evidence gets left for last. The Defense would not request fingerprint evidence because the fingerprint evidence would convict their client and leave no room for reasonable doubt. The State may know about the print/s but because it's lawful for the FBI to hold on to the evidence in case some other reason comes up for them refer to it, they are not required to expose the evidence according to the Sunshine law. JB would have to ask for fingerprint evidence directly. Do I have this right? The Defense would not ask for damning evidence about their client even though they are dying to know what concrete evidence there is as well. If I were them, I'd assume they have a KC's fingerprint on the tape. The State has no reason/desire to hand that evidence over because they don't have to unless it is specifically asked for. What am I missing?

Also I sense that the Judge keeps trying to tell JB to brush up on the policies of how to obtain discovery, but JB is either playing dumb or is dumb. He keeps insisting that the State give him everything but that's not how it works under the law. Since JB wants to rewrite all laws in order to help KC, he keeps stomping his foot and the Judge is :waitasec: what don't you understand JB? I told you that you must request that, pay for it, etc. JB keeps saying, but I don't want to do it that way, etc. You know the song by Barry Manilow "I Write the Songs ...". JB's themesong should be "I Want to Write the Laws ...".

BBM

But isn't that what JB was making a fuss about, not getting important forensic evidence released to them? It seems to me he does want it but I could be wrong. Wouldn't he need it to be fully prepared for trial?

 

[Cat13067]

Didn't I read somewhere - maybe here - she has Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma?

Sadly, yes

 

[Kathy1964]

Why would the FBI or Oakridge hold anything back from either side?
This is something I do not understand!

I think the defense is referring to all the documentation that they (the defense) requested. They asked for any and all the labs protocols, ciriculae vitae, inspections , procedures, reviews, evaluations,calibrations, bla,bla, bla ad infinitum back for some outrageous number of years. In my opinion it was a ridiculous amount and scope of information they asked for. The judge is saying that it is up to the defense to deal with obtaining what they want from Oakridge and FBI. Neither the court nor the SA have any jurisdiction.
I read all those requests at some point, but don't know where they are now. Anyone have a link?

The SA has nothing to do with any of that. It's not about evidence.
Katharine

 

[ecs5298]

I looked at the end of tape 2 (Casey exiting court room) and saw nothing in her hand or Morts after they passed each other.

Here's a screen cap of them shaking hands. It occurs at 19:45 in the second WFTV video. Although their hand shake looks awkward, I couldn't tell if they passed anything. I was perplexed since I thought she wasn't supposed to have any interaction with the audience. I mean, if she can't say hello to her parents, what's she doing shaking hands with this guy?

 

[Dear Prudence]

Who in the world is George besides George Anthony?

Frank George is one of the Florida State Attorneys prosecuting the cases against Casey.

 

[Tulessa]

Did anyone see KC get a little huffy looking when JS and the SA were talking that she might not ever get out of jail. The famous "pi$$ed look" showed up and AL was quickly talking to her. If anyone else saw that could you post a photo please. I would but not a clue how to do it. TIA

This one?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I believe RH was pointing out that if any of the A's testify about any statement made by Casey (i.e., "she was not concerned, and explained to me that she had just spoken with Caylee on the phone earlier that day"), then the judge might permit the state to introduce Casey's felony convictions to show that Casey is not a credible witness.

I think the felony convictions are really beside the point when it comes to Casey. The jury is going to figure out that Casey is a liar without having to infer that fact from her felony convictions.

But somebody (sorry can't recall who) brought up the point that they will now be allowed to draw KC's blood. It's possible that the FBI could be holding on to evidence that they will now be able to link directly to KC (or not).

 

[Leila]

Did anyone see KC get a little huffy looking when JS and the SA were talking that she might not ever get out of jail. The famous "pi$$ed look" showed up and AL was quickly talking to her. If anyone else saw that could you post a photo please. I would but not a clue how to do it. TIA

I noticed that, and AL was quick to intervene. I don't see how Casey is going to get through the murder trial if she's so quick to react with temper. We're getting a glimpse into Casey's real behavior, and I keep thinking about the alleged fight on June 15th. It doesn't seem to take much for Casey to react with anger.

 

[believe09]

BBM

But isn't that what JB was making a fuss about, not getting important forensic evidence released to them? It seems to me he does want it but I could be wrong. Wouldn't he need it to be fully prepared for trial?

I guess it is all in how you look at it-I could swear that I have heard this argument from the defense before and the reply by the SA was the same. Ask them, not us. The Judge knows he cannot compel Oakridge and the FBI. The defense's motion regarding discovery today addressed the state again.

So, the way I view this is that JB appears to be requesting discovery that he wants but he is asking the wrong person for it. Sort of like releasing a witness list with attorneys addresses on it. JMO.

 

[knt]

Is it just me or does Baez look like he is none too happy to have to play second fiddle to AL? When the judge recommended not once but twice that he consult with AL about the discovery thing, he totally ignored the judge and didn't even look at AL even though AL came up to the podium.

One of my favorite JS moves!! oke: