2010.02.16 Document Release: Stain on Trunk Liner

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Eidetic, great job!! I hope you don't mind that I snipped your post and kept only this one photo. I wanted to see it along with the one that has the stain in the backing. I find it odd that the big stain in the rounded section does not show up with your color saturation and tint up.

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Comparing the TV station's photos to these from a prior post, I think they're of the underside upper right corner. I have bad eyes, need help from our photo experts! Look like damn maggots in the photos to me......would they possibly contain DNA if they fed on decomp? Sorry to be so graphic..

MOO
 
Not sure...at first I thought it was white stuff (someone thought maybe the grave wax). But then when I looked again I think it's stains illuminated with a blacklight. But I'm not sure.

They sure look like maggots but I don't know how that would work, timing-wise... Would these photos have been taken days after the car was cleaned, then confiscated, or immediately after? I guess there could have been eggs (? where the heck is an entomologist when ya need one) left in the carpet fibers... If they are maggots then I trust they were collected and tested. But seems like they could be rolled fibers like from scrubbing the carpet with paper towels.

Looks like the pics are of both the front and back side of the liner. Interesting to compare these with the work JWG and others did earlier in the thread.
 
What am I looking at? Help? I already feel sick so throw it at me. TIA
 
With thanks to JWG. This post is on page 13, #310 of this thread, and is worth a bump for any who might have missed it, given the new images...

I posted the following on Val's blog:

The recent discovery contained a handful of images taken of the stain in Casey Anthony’s trunk. If you recall, FBI Intelligence Analyst Karen Cowan made the following remarks in an internal email dated September 30, 2008:

On October 2, Richard W. Vorder Bruegge – a Supervisory Photographic Technologist with the FBI – responded with the following:

If the file names are an accurate indicator, thirteen unique images were color-adjusted in an attempt to highlight different aspects of the trunk stain. Twenty adjusted images were included in the discovery, some representing different adjustments of the same image.

I found three images particularly interesting because they seemed to highlight the stain in significant, but different ways. First is the image found on discovery page numbered 13059 with the file name IMG_2235_red_levels.tif:

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The second was an image on page 13064 with the file name IMG_2233_red.tif:

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And the last image was on page 13068 with the file name IMG_2227_cyan_levels.tif:

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Ideally, we’d have the original color TIF files to look at, but instead we had lousy black-and-white scans. Despite the poor quality of the images, I decided to see if I could combine the three images above to see what kind of picture they might produce.

I imported all three images into Photoshop, and first combined IMG_2233_red.tif with IMG_2235_red_levels, then combined IMG_2227_cyan_levels.tif with the result of the previous step. All three images were taken from slightly different perspectives, so I had to make adjustments to one image in order to get it to align with the other.

In Photoshop I simply imported two images into a single document in separate layers. I adjusted the opacity of the top image so that I could partially see through to the bottom image. I adjusted the size and rotation of the top image to match the bottom image, using the scale within both images as a guide. There were slight differences in perspective that I had to adjust using the free transform tool in Photoshop. This allowed me to properly align certain shapes found in both images.

Also, in the IMG_2227_cyan_levels.tif image, I cropped out the washed-out areas at the bottom and on the left. Because that same image as found in the discovery was cropped at the right, there is an abrupt, artificial line in the resulting image.

After I aligned and cropped images as appropriate, I merged the layers using the “lighten” method so that bright areas in the top layer would be added to the bottom layer. The resulting image is as follows (the abrupt line at the top right is due to the cropping in the final image):

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I found several useful images on the web of toddlers right around three years of age in the fetal position. I took one of those images and layered it over the image above. To protect the innocent, I then drew an outline of the child. Note that Caylee was about 36 inches tall, so she would measure in the neighborhood of roughly 20 inches from the top of her head to her hip, give or take. I think this lines up with the scale fairly well.

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This is, of course, my own speculation as to how Caylee was tossed into her mother’s trunk based on the rather poor photographs I had to work with. Nevertheless, doing this little piece of work really drove home the indignity of what Casey Anthony did to her daughter.

A couple of follow-up comments as food for thought:


  1. Caylee was wearing a pull-up. Thus, decomposition fluids coming from that area would largely remain in the pull-up and not in the trunk. That is why, in my opinion, the stain is lighter in that area than the area of the head, which was uncovered.
  2. I am of the opinion Caylee was not immediately placed in a bag when put in the trunk. I don’t think that was done until the day she borrowed Mr. Burner’s shovel. I have no proof. It is just an opinion.
  3. Consider how you carry a sleeping toddler in your arms. Aren’t they typically folded in the fetal position when you carry them? It would be natural for Casey to carry a dead Caylee to the trunk as she might carry a sleeping Caylee, and then put her down in that position.
 
They sure look like maggots but I don't know how that would work, timing-wise... Would these photos have been taken days after the car was cleaned, then confiscated, or immediately after? I guess there could have been eggs (? where the heck is an entomologist when ya need one) left in the carpet fibers... If they are maggots then I trust they were collected and tested. But seems like they could be rolled fibers like from scrubbing the carpet with paper towels.

Looks like the pics are of both the front and back side of the liner. Interesting to compare these with the work JWG and others did earlier in the thread.

BBM:

Um, not sure, but don't bugs etc. keep going in cycles???? As in the original maggots may not be the actual maggots found once the car was searched.... does that make sense????? It could of been the future generations of the original bugs..... (too much CSI... not sure if that's true) LOL
 
I'm not seeing maggots. I believe what that is is pilled up paper towel or cotton terry fibers, possible evidence that someone was scrubbing like crazy.

Out! Out! Damned spot!
 
According to the autopsy report they did find live bugs with the remains.As someone said they may be offspring.If they have some from the trunk (Ithink they do) thats a different story..I hope I hope.I dont think they have released any bug reports yet.
 
Wow! Those new pictures really show how much someone went to in order to cover up a "bad stain". Whoever admits to cleaning that trunk has a lot of explaining to do!
 
The trunk liner pics and evidence will make it so real that a little girl's body was decomposing in that trunk. Once you see the outline you become horrified forever. The work on this thread has been outstanding. I'm most hopeful the jury will feel as many of us do - that there was never any doubt. I will admit I can't wait to see how the defense team will deny these trunk liner photos and the evidence.

The argument that Caylee's body was placed there at the remains site by someone else months later is particularly odd to me if it can be proven that Caylee's dead body was in the trunk of Casey's car in June. IMO, they don't stand a chance.

The trunk pics break my heart.
 
The trunk liner pics and evidence will make it so real that a little girl's body was decomposing in that trunk. Once you see the outline you become horrified forever. The work on this thread has been outstanding. I'm most hopeful the jury will feel as many of us do - that there was never any doubt. I will admit I can't wait to see how the defense team will deny these trunk liner photos and the evidence.

The argument that Caylee's body was placed there at the remains site by someone else months later is particularly odd to me if it can be proven that Caylee's dead body was in the trunk of Casey's car in June. IMO, they don't stand a chance.

The trunk pics break my heart.

BBM

I agree completely, and I think that is one of the reasons the defense is so desperate to keep the air testing results out at trial. Once the jury hears about that and sees how credible Dr. Vass and the others are, it will be much harder to convince them of their SODDI theory, if that is the defense they intend to present.
 
According to the autopsy report they did find live bugs with the remains.As someone said they may be offspring.If they have some from the trunk (Ithink they do) thats a different story..I hope I hope.I dont think they have released any bug reports yet.

There has been some minimal information released on the bugs, such as what kind of flies were present, the quantities, the biology behind those particular flies, etc....the crucial info, however, has not been released and I think the FBI might have it-what do the innards of the maggots tell us? Is there DNA within the maggots?

The FBI cannot be compelled to release anything they have (at the state level anyway, is my understanding), but of course why gather the info if they are not going to help prosecute or defend? If they do have any info on what was found in the bowels of the tiny maggots, they had better get it to the state sooner than later, as HHJP will not allow his deadlines to be run over due to the state's problems getting the FBI to hand it over. The case will eventually get to the federal level, but that will be based on specific appelate issues and I don't think the FBI could introduce evidence at appelate hearings, but the legal thread may be a better place for that question....
 
Back on topic (sorry for my previous departure)...in this picture, it almost looks as if the more heavily saturated areas from right to left are the head, shoulder and hips, and there is a foot (on its side) to the far left.

4th picture:
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/25097605/detail.html

JWG did great work on this before, but I had not looked at this particular picture in that way before.
 
Back on topic (sorry for my previous departure)...in this picture, it almost looks as if the more heavily saturated areas from right to left are the head, shoulder and hips, and there is a foot (on its side) to the far left.

4th picture:
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/25097605/detail.html

JWG did great work on this before, but I had not looked at this particular picture in that way before.

Agreed. Have to admit, I'm not the best with spatial relationships, and I'm still trying to align these new releases with the previous set to compare our earlier work to these findings. Wish there were a few in this new batch that showed the whole piece of the spare-tire cover so I could orient myself better.

(And I am becoming more convinced that they are paper towel fibers.)
 
Cindy Anthony admtted to cleaning out the car................
good grief with maggots, smell etc.........she neds in jail with her daughter!
Imagine doing that? and being a nurse..........SHE KNEW!!!!

I'm sick just looking at it 'cleaned up'.......how could you clan up the decomp of your
beloved grand daughter??????
 
If they are paper towel fibers, and they come from the towels in the trash bag, LE should be able to match them, don't you think? Could be another nail in Casey's coffin.

Another thought -- apparently there was no DNA found in the stain, and DNA can be destroyed by heat. When we talk about Cindy allegedly "steam cleaning" the trunk, I think most people think about some type of carpet or upholstery cleaning machine. These type of cleaners don't really get very hot and would leave some of the chemical cleaning liquid behind. But there are also steam cleaners that produce a very hot, directed stream of steam that many people use on tough to clean areas. They only produce steam, they do not suck up anything. Seems to me that if someone in that family had a law enforcement background and wanted to destroy evidence in that trunk, they might know that blasting everything with scorching steam would destroy the DNA and leave no telltale chemicals behind.
 
I have always wondered if the dog hits in the backyard were from dumping the water from a steam vac. I agree that they knew at that point and find it disgusting that they had the ability to clean that car. The stains make my weak, literally, I feel weak when I view them.
 
Cindy Anthony admtted to cleaning out the car................
good grief with maggots, smell etc.........she neds in jail with her daughter!
Imagine doing that? and being a nurse..........SHE KNEW!!!!

I'm sick just looking at it 'cleaned up'.......how could you clan up the decomp of your
beloved grand daughter??????

Yes, there probably would've been much more evidence from the trunk and car if it hadn't been tampered with. The outline of a little girl's body is there in that trunk, IMO. What else left that shape of stain?

I can't imagine finding something like that and thinking you had the right to start cleaning and covering up knowing full well your beloved grand daughter was missing. That was such a defining moment for CA and GA proving they'd do anything to cover for Casey. (and I mean anything)
 
You know, I read these reports, sometimes I am just skimming along to see what's interesting and then something will stop me cold.... the FBI photographic technician states he believes Caylee was not immediately bagged but was done so after Casey borrowed Brian Burner's shovel. An image comes to mind of Casey shoveling the decomposing body of Caylee from her trunk into garbage bags, and I just crumple thinking about that..
 
You know, I read these reports, sometimes I am just skimming along to see what's interesting and then something will stop me cold.... the FBI photographic technician states he believes Caylee was not immediately bagged but was done so after Casey borrowed Brian Burner's shovel. An image comes to mind of Casey shoveling the decomposing body of Caylee from her trunk into garbage bags, and I just crumple thinking about that..

Me too. It literally hurts. I hope every juror will feel that way too.
 

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