2010.04.06 Jail House Letters Released #2

[Cat13067]

Can we believe CA/GA and any dates????
When did GA move plants and put in patio July 4th weekend??? IIRC??
Was that his attempt to remove smells so dogs couldn't track in the back yard???
I think that GA knew about the crime then...............JMOO

I believe the A's cleaned that car with a carpet cleaning machine, and they threw the dirty water in the back yard. When the dogs hit on the decomp. smells the A's decided to re-do the patio over July 4th, so the dirty decomp. water would be buried under cement. I bet that patio reeked of decomp when they were cleaning that car. I think CA might have even taken a hose to KC's shoes in that area too.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I've been re-reading all of that too... the first mention of a blanket (that i have found so far) is in the Crime Scene report that was released on 3/20/09; and at first the CSI's thought it was a towel with the plastic bag & laundry bag and it wasn't identified as a blanket until it was at the morgue later in the afternoon around 4ish. IIRC Casey was informed of skeleton remains being found around lunch time, and I do not recall Baez showing up to the crime scene right away.

WFTV has all the old documents & videos arranged very nicely with the dates they were released... makes for easy searching.

Baez was not allowed at the crime scene.

 

[The World According]

The bombshell for me is two things
she gave details about how the remains were found that according to the Supplemental Report were not yet known to anyone save for the suspect, a handful of LE officers and some staff from the medical examiner's office;
and Casey describes that she forgives Zenaida for what happened to Caylee. At the time of her writing that the baby was supposedly missing and the search was on, those are two wholly different situations. Either she was missing or something happened to her. According to Casey it was the latter. Rut row.
There is no innocent explanation for either of these.

I haven't read through everything yet, but I disagree with those that think there is nothing here that can hurt her case. I believe she has removed all doubt, and certainly any "reasonable" doubt.

No wonder Mr. Cheney looked like he had just seen a ghost at the defense table, things in the case are far , far worse than he first imagined, imo.

I think Mr. Baez can expect another bar investigation and for him to be asked under oath if indeed he brought any letters from the family to and from Casey in any manner, including on his laptop. I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that he is absolutely not allowed to do this!!!!:furious:
Geraldo is going to be so disappointed if ,as and when Jose gets removed from this case, if he does.

You just can't make this stuff up!!!

 

[sleutherontheside]

can anyone see any way by playing devils advocate these letters will help the defense? we know what the state will say!

IMO I think they could only serve to assist the defense during the mitigation and sentencing portion (if she is convicted) of the trial. They could "humanize her" in the eyes of the jury by demonstrating her immaturity and seemingly loose grasp of reality.

Whether they are full of lies or include some truths.......they could be used by both sides. By the SA for a conviction.....by the defense for mitigation.

 

[ZsaZsa]

The bombshell for me is two things
she gave details about how the remains were found that according to the Supplemental Report were not yet known to anyone save for the suspect, a handful of LE officers and some staff from the medical examiner's office;
and Casey describes that she forgives Zenaida for what happened to Caylee. At the time of her writing that the baby was supposedly missing and the search was on, those are two wholly different situations. Either she was missing or something happened to her. According to Casey it was the latter. Rut row.
There is no innocent explanation for either of these.

I haven't read through everything yet, but I disagree with those that think there is nothing here that can hurt her case. I believe she has removed all doubt, and certainly any "reasonable" doubt.

No wonder Mr. Cheney looked like he had just seen a ghost at the defense table, things in the case are far , far worse than he first imagined, imo.

I think Mr. Baez can expect another bar investigation and for him to be asked under oath if indeed he brought any letters from the family to and from Casey in any manner, including on his laptop. I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that he is absolutely not allowed to do this!!!!:furious:
Geraldo is going to be so disappointed if ,as and when Jose gets removed from this case, if he does.

You just can't make this stuff up!!!

Did the ME office even recognize it as a blanket at first glance? If they did, there is NO way they released that information to Baez that day.....

 

[Cat13067]

Baez was not allowed at the crime scene.

I don't think he was permitted inside the roped off area where Caylee was found, but I did see him and his posse on television standing in the street. He did complain that the defense should have access to the crime scene, and LE said when we get done you can do your own investigation.

 

[CentralFLMama]

I remember here on WS everyone was talking about why LE rushed to the Anthony house with a search warrant. We were talking about the bedding. How did we know?

When LE went to the Anthony home the day the body was found, they came out with paper bags filled with items. One of the items was a pillow or blanket that came from Caylee's room. It was sticking out of the top of one of the paper bags.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I'm glad that the Anthony's released a statement denying the molestation allegations. Finally they admit Casey lied about something. Funny when it's about them and not their granddaughter, but it will do.

I feel sorry for Lee! Accusations like that could ruin his life completely.

 

[suzihawk]

I think these letters will hurt her in court. To me it shows that yes she does mention Caylee a few (and notice I said few) times but then within two seconds she was onto a totally different subject. A mother who mourns the loss of a child could never switch gears that quickly IMO.

When Caylee was first reported missing they had the date wrong by a week. What mother would forget the exact day that her daughter disappeared. If I were on the jury, that one fact alone would make me say guilty, I would not even have to hear the tons of other evidence against her.

While I basically agree with your view, I have to respectfully disagree with the bolded portion above. My child was killed by a drunk driver many years ago and even to this date it's sometimes very difficult to speak about the situation or even about her without this incredible and all encompassing pain welling up. I've found myself quickly changing the subject in order to divert the pain.

Of course, KC's reasons for the diversionary tactics are quite different, IMO. I believe it's because she can't face the fact that's she's the monster that took this sweet child's life.

 

[passionflower]

I believe the A's cleaned that car with a carpet cleaning machine, and they threw the dirty water in the back yard. When the dogs hit on the decomp. smells the A's decided to re-do the patio over July 4th, so the dirty decomp. water would be buried under cement. I bet that patio reeked of decomp when they were cleaning that car. I think CA might have even taken a hose to KC's shoes in that area too.

Excellant.......Never thought of that one!

Thinking back on the Father's day fight..........4pm CA gets home, gets in pool with Caylee, finds out about dad's missing money, Caylee could of 'told" on KC about stuff.
Furious fight. Wasn't LEE there also that night?
If only we KNEW what the neighbors KNEW!!! (heard)

 

[Cat13067]

When LE went to the Anthony home the day the body was found, they came out with paper bags filled with items. One of the items was a pillow or blanket that came from Caylee's room. It was sticking out of the top of one of the paper bags.

Yes you are right! Mallory was at the house tending to the dogs when LE arrived at the house.

 

[strawberry]

I just want to make sure I read all the letters. The wtfv link says read all the documents but it's two sets of the same letters in one pdf. Is there more than that? TIA

 

[Stella5]

Baez was not allowed at the crime scene.

Nope, he wasn't. But I do recall pictures of him showing up there with Dr. Lee just walking around in the street outside the taped off boundaries. The only thing I can find on them being at the crime scene is a motion he filed on 12/15 requesting an Emergency Motion to compel photos, videos & drawings of the crime scene. In that motion it does state they requested access to the crime scene on the 12th in court, was told the crime scene would be released the 12th or 13th and flew in their own experts to look at the scene only to be denied access because OCSO wasn't done processing the scene. Caylee wasn't positively identified until 12/19 so technically he shouldn't ever have been granted access.

I just highly doubt Baez had information about the towel/blanket to ever feed to Casey. She knew what she left with that sweet baby. Guess we'll find out when the chaplain testifies that she/he didn't tell Casey a blanket was found.

 

[Cat13067]

While I basically agree with your view, I have to respectfully disagree with the bolded portion above. My child was killed by a drunk driver many years ago and even to this date it's sometimes very difficult to speak about the situation or even about her without this incredible and all encompassing pain welling up. I've found myself quickly changing the subject in order to divert the pain.

Of course, KC's reasons for the diversionary tactics are quite different, IMO. I believe it's because she can't face the fact that's she's the monster that took this sweet child's life.

So sorry for the loss of your child. My heart breaks for you. I can't imagine losing one of my children. God Bless you and your family.

 

[stmarysmead]

Anthony Family Denies Abuse Allegations
The Anthony family denies that there was any improper sexual behavior in their family nor was there ever a time when Casey told them of sexually inappropriate conduct by her brother or father.

Brad Conway, Anthony family attorney


So does this mean the A's are saying Casey lied about these allegations? I thought Casey only told half truth's and didn't actually lie. Color me confused.

I have not read the letters but , on the molestation issue only...IMO if Casey were an Infantry General...deep into enemy territory, she has just spun around and deliberately wiped out her own "troops."

George, Lee, and Cindy were right there in the front lines...probably three of a handful of people trying to convince the world that Casey is credible!

Wiped out...every one of them...metaphorically speaking.

As you posted, Cindy has always maintained that her daughter would never lie on "major issues"...maybe "half-truths"...but not the Big Stuff. Well, several years of molestation by your Brother is ONE HUGE DEAL.

So Cindy...:

1. Is your son Lee a child molester (Casey was 13 I believe) and your daughter credible...and therefore possibly innocent of your grandchild's death? (vote YES here if Casey doesn't lie)

OR

2. Is your son innocent of child molestation and your daughter a pathological liar whose lies are indicative of her guilt in the death of your grandchild? ( Vote YES here if Casey lies)

Mother of...Child Molestor...or Murderer? One...or the other. This seems to be where Casey has positioned them.

If Casey doesn't lie...then her Mother also enabled the abuse and George may have abused her as a toddler.

Not quite the "Waltons", are they?

If the Anthonys' deny these allegations, they are confirming their daughter is capable of lying about the most serious, inflammatory issues.

I can't imagine what Cindy Anthony is thinking today.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

after reading all the letters and police reports i have to say i see casey in a very young teen state of mind. perhaps if she is seen this way on trial along with her image change she will be portrayed not as the grown woman mom- sexy party girl but complete different image. when you think of casey now do you see her old look - short hair, sexy, strutting her stuff or her new look long hair, frumpy cllothes, ponytail, nervous touching her hair, wringing her hands? big difference in images. feel she was told to purposely let hair grow- as they can get haircuts in jail. many things i read shook me up a bit and i felt sorry for her. others had me shaking my head in - is this really how she thinks? surprised she said she had her period for 6 months and did not know pregnant- thats posible i now believe. also her seizures. she could have been scared of medical issues and her cancer scares. had to chuckel at her describing her clothing choices by others- she was concerned on cleavage showing - shows some good judgement of image-lol. man- if i was in jail i would not want to wear what they give her to wear to court! so- her alleged abuse of her is a open door of opinions. actually felt i got to know her a bit by reading her thoughts-- some were worth reading twice- some were off the wall- some were sad and some were deep in refecting her state of mind. i do not think the letters will hurt her- if jurors read them she does not sound like a killer- just a very mixed up young girl with some issues that are beyond belief.

This is how people get roped into her world. Borderline/Histrionic personalities are not always obvious. I think people giving her the benefit of the doubt and feeling sorry for her is what allowed her to get by for so long without working, with stealing, etc. Let's not forget the thefts, the viciousness we and callousness we saw in several of the jail recordings, and the fact that Dr. Green concluded that Caylee was 'savagely abused'. If someone really doesn't know they're pregnant for 7 months, all things being equal, that doesn't bode well for their responsibility as a mother imo.

 

[logicalgirl]

I am pretty sure the defense will use them to show her childish mindset and oh look, losing her daughter causes her such pain she cant even face it.


I even wonder if that's so.

I wont even pretend to understand KC but I do have to wonder about someone who is so emotionally crippled. I am fascinated that she had nightmares per TL and "seizures" while in jail...I wonder if what she calls seizures are severe nightmares.

I'm not saying this makes her innocent in any way yall. but if she is not a sociopath then she could be feeling terrible things deep inside where she hides.

Absolutely agree re nightmares - don't believe we can lie to ourselves when we are in a deep sleep - I'll imagine she has some horrific nightmares - thus the biting of her tongue and a big headache when she wakes up.

 

[What'sThatClue]

I'm glad that the Anthony's released a statement denying the molestation allegations. Finally they admit Casey lied about something. Funny when it's about them and not their granddaughter, but it will do.

I feel sorry for Lee! Accusations like that could ruin his life completely.

The FBI did a paternity test on LA that came back negative, so apparently they thought there was a possibility of sex between LA and KC.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19135484/detail.html

Evidence released earlier in the year showed the FBI found the rumors credible enough to order Lee Anthony to take a paternity test that showed he was not Caylee's father.

But in a newly released interview between investigators and Casey Anthony's ex-fiance Jesse Grund, he claimed she told him her brother made sexual advances toward her.

Audio Excerpt On Sex Allegation

"Uhm, Casey uh, and Lee were at the house alone together and Casey, and Lee attempted to have sex with her," Grund said to investigators on Sept. 8, 2008. "My impression was that somehow he was trying to pressure her into it somehow."

But please help me out here 'cause I've been searching for an hour---I vaguely recall CA being questioned by either SA or FBI way back around April '09 (or thereabouts) regarding any abuse in the home and she hesitates and then says no....but I can't find it now. I'm not sure whether CA was being asked about possible sexual abuse or physical abuse.
Or perhaps my memory isn't what it used to be...?

 

[abbra]

I have to say I wish I was a fly on the wall at the Anthony Home last evening when word came that KC's letters to other inmates were made public and that in these letters she was suggesting she was allegedly sexually abused by her father and brother.

KC is grabbing at every straw she can and I get the feeling that she thinks if she goes down she is bringing Her mother, Father and brother down with her.

If you think about it there may be some truth in all of KC's lies even if she is a pathological liar.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

The FBI did a paternity test on LA that came back negative, so apparently they thought there was a possibility of sex between LA and KC.





But please help me out here 'cause I've been searching for an hour---I vaguely recall CA being questioned by either SA or FBI way back around April '09 (or thereabouts) regarding any abuse in the home and she hesitates and then says no....but I can't find it now. I'm not sure whether CA was being asked about possible sexual abuse or physical abuse.
Or perhaps my memory isn't what it used to be...?

I remember in one of her depos - God knows I can't remember which one -- she goes into detail of some problem LA had due to his use of Accutane, a drug for acne. How old was he then? I am not saying I believe KC's allegation, just curious if any of that scenario fits in with this new revelation.