2010.04.06 KC's jail house letters released

[kbl8201]

well personally i think the chlorform stuff is only usable if they have it in writing (and casey's writing) just robins word is not enough in a death penalty case.

but the rest of casey's actual letters are enough to sink her

 

[flourish]

We don't know what Jb knew. I am sure he was being updated by the hour. Sa is obligated to inform him of investigations by law. How can you state it as fact that he didn't know. What is your source? My source is the law. He is to be informed of investigations. IMO

I agree with the first sentence, and will repeat it: We don't know what [JB] knew.

If we don't know, then how one could be "sure he was being updated by the hour." :waitasec:

First one of you to post a link wins an Easter marshmallow peep!

 

[snoopydoo]

BBM: But in the case of the death of a child with an underlying factor of aggravated child abuse (i.e drugging/tranquilizing) it does not matter your intent but only the RESULT.

Consider:

(1) "Child abuse" means:
(a) Intentional infliction of physical or mental injury upon a child;
(b) An intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result in physical or mental injury to a child;
(c) Active encouragement of any person to commit an act that results or could reasonably be expected to result in physical or mental injury to a child.




(2) "Aggravated child abuse" occurs when a person:
(a) Commits aggravated battery on a child;
(b) Willfully tortures, maliciously punishes, or willfully and unlawfully cages a child;
(c) Knowingly or willfully abuses a child and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the child.


To convict of 2.c. (which seems most apt) 1.b. need be established. Tranquilizing a child is an intentional act; that's established.

What I'm not so sure about is, "reasonably be expected to result in physical injury." Whose reasonableness are we referring to? If it's what the jury deems reasonable, then okay. But aren't we talking about what's reasonable to the mind of the perpetrator? If she's drugged her child before without a physical injury occurring, wouldn't she 'expect' a physical injury not occur rather than occur?



I'm still not certain of:
782.04 Murder
(2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

If she was trying to sedate (an act imminently dangerous to another) and death resulted, 2nd degree would seem to apply.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0782/SEC04.HTM&Title=->2009->Ch0782->Section%2004#0782.04

 

[darnudes]

We don't know what Jb knew. I am sure he was being updated by the hour. Sa is obligated to inform him of investigations by law. How can you state it as fact that he didn't know. What is your source? My source is the law. He is to be informed of investigations. IMO

My source is Yuri and his report about who knew what and when.

The SA office is NOT obliged to hand over all information immediately which is what you are suggesting.

Link - http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23069761/detail.html

Page - 8 -9

 

[zoomom]

she needs to lend cindy a pair.

omg. You people are in rare form tonight!!!!!! Hilarious!!!

 

[gamom]

We don't know what Jb knew. I am sure he was being updated by the hour. Sa is obligated to inform him of investigations by law. How can you state it as fact that he didn't know. What is your source? My source is the law. He is to be informed of investigations. IMO

Agree. Its hard to know what JB would have known. However, it is true that LE does hold back certain details of the crime scene to keep it from leaking out to suspects.

 

[magic-cat]

Ok got a question here maybe it should be posted on another thread for legal questions- but on page 32- she states "I got a letter that he wrote me yesterday and his spirits were lifted" in ref to GA- I thought she was not allowed correspondence from her parents w/o courts knowledge?????

Inmates can receive mail.

I have read most of the docs in this case and I will read these letters eventually. It is obvious that they are meaningless. What I don't understand is why attack the poster?

They may be meaningless to you, but I have found a world of meaning in them, and none of it good.

I realize that I have considered KC guilty all along - but even in the face of my convictions, these letters are beyond disturbing. She is definitely not right in the head. I think really, these letters could only be a boon to her defense. Sadly though, she teeters on the edge of mental illness, it's just not enough to push the insanity case.

It is not in the head where KC's problem lies...it is in the heart...as in she hasn't got one...:sick:

 

[jon_burrows]

Casey really rips into her family starting on page 51. Guess we know why she won't look at them. There is way too much to quote but I wonder if Casey is right and Cindy is being escorted to court by the Today Show.

Casey actually spells out "B-E-T-R-A-Y-A-L!!!"

 

[Dignity4Victims]

I agree with the first sentence, and will repeat it: We don't know what [JB] knew.

If we don't know, then how one could be "sure he was being updated by the hour." :waitasec:

First one of you to post a link wins an Easter marshmallow peep!

LE had no reason to update Baez "by the hour" considering the fact that the remains hadn't even been positively identified as Caylee's at the time, it was none of Baez business. LE didn't want Baez anywhere near her remains, for good reason. Smart move on their part! :woohoo:

 

[flourish]

My source is Yuri and his report about who knew what and when.

The SA office is NOT obliged to hand over all information immediately which is what you are suggesting.

Link - http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23069761/detail.html

Page - 8 -9

Wow, you are q u i c k !

 

[southernbrunette]

Page 165

"Orlando has been my home for most of my life, and I wanted to raise my family here, but that is just not possible now. At least I have come to realize that it's not running away and that I'm not leaving out of fear but I owe it to myself and my girl to move on and make a fresh start."

"My mom wants to come with, so I'm extremely happy about that."

So does she hate Cindy or is she really just starving for her love and approval, and that's why she lashes out and feels so betrayed when CA speaks to "the enemy"?

 

[gamom]

well personally i think the chlorform stuff is only usable if they have it in writing (and casey's writing) just robins word is not enough in a death penalty case.

but the rest of casey's actual letters are enough to sink her

I have seen people convicted and sentenced to death with far, far less evidence. Scott Peterson comes to mind...but I could be wrong.

 

[Stella5]

We don't know what Jb knew. I am sure he was being updated by the hour. Sa is obligated to inform him of investigations by law. How can you state it as fact that he didn't know. What is your source? My source is the law. He is to be informed of investigations. IMO

So let me get this straight :waitasec:... by this logic you're saying LE was giving Baez, the attorney representing the only known suspect in Caylee's disappearance/now murder, that they have found a blanket and other specific evidence at the dump site? Sorry it doesn't work that way. Yes the SA has an obligation to turn over evidence, once it is considered evidence; but they are certainly under no obligation to immediately call the suspects defense attorney and tell them things that could be evidence only the perp would know.

 

[Kimster]

Let's back off from what JB might have known and what he might have told KC. Wait until the evidence comes out as to what JB knew and when. Otherwise, it just turns into a back and forth debate and there's so much more to discuss.

 

[southernbrunette]

Yep, she did Em but something's off here IMO. Casey befriends the one immate who just happens to be married to (and arrested with) a cop. Casey would have had to know the risks of Robyn having added knowledge about the inner workings of the correctional system yet Casey chooses to befriend and trust her... I don't buy it.

You and I would probably know better, but I think Casey wants the approval and friendship of others..she wanted those encouraging and nice words from Robyn so much..that she convinces herself these people really are her friends and would never betray her. Maybe, just speculating.

 

[darnudes]

Casey really rips into her family starting on page 51. Guess we know why she won't look at them. There is way too much to quote but I wonder if Casey is right and Cindy is being escorted to court by the Today Show.

Well she always sits with that guy in the media when they are in court, the one with the bald head. Can't remember his name.

 

[kbl8201]

I have seen people convicted and sentenced to death with far, far less evidence. Scott Peterson comes to mind...but I could be wrong.

oh she will be convicted and get the dp imo.

just not with the word of the snitch

 

[TorisMom003]

Agree. Its hard to know what JB would have known. However, it is true that LE does hold back certain details of the crime scene to keep it from leaking out to suspects.

Adding to your comment..........LE did not at that time know that the remains found were Caylee. So why in the world would they tell Baez any additional information about a deceased child that may or may not be the remains of his client's daughter. Baez didn't know anything more than what LE was willing to tell the public (IMO).

 

[Emma Peel]

WTH kind of psych docs in jail are not diagnosing this wacko with a mental disorder? I just don't get it. Even Robyn wrote to a friend that KC doesn't seem concerned with her situation and this concerns her (Robyn).

IMO - That's the beauty of Casey's personality. One of hallmarks of narcissism is not being able to accept blame. Per Casey, nothing can be her fault. She must be/is perfect. It follows that if it's never one's fault, then - what's to worry?

If you mean wacko in terms of a mental incompetence defense, being narcissistic sociopath & is typically not a qualifying disorder.

 

[magic-cat]

Casey really rips into her family starting on page 51. Guess we know why she won't look at them. There is way too much to quote but I wonder if Casey is right and Cindy is being escorted to court by the Today Show.

Casey actually spells out "B-E-T-R-A-Y-A-L!!!"

She is escorted to court by ABC...