2010.04.15 Presser Video: Sheriff, Haleigh Likely Dead; POI Identified

[pufnstuf]

BBM...Just wanted to mention that RC has lost the life of his beloved daughter. He has been punished 3 fold. Even hot tempered drug dealers have feelings

.....unless they're sociopaths.

 

[nanny1]

I'm not sure they are going to get in a hurry to give out the name(s) of the POI or make an arrest. My reasoning? Well, with the exception of 1 person, (JO) all of the others (MC, ToC, RC) are all in jail and they're not going anywhere. I think they will take their time to make sure they get it right (at least I hope they do) so that there will be justice for Haleigh.

Heck I think they need to expand that jail ,the whole family maybe joining them..

 

[Kenziema]

Does anyone have the video shown on NG of Hank Sr telling Misty that he will put a bullet in whoever killed Haleigh- even if it's his own son?

 

[truckengirl]

Nancy Grace is shown in the jail because MC has talked about seeing it. Once the other prisioners hear that Haleigh had rope and blocks tied to her and was thrown in the river, MC and TC better hope that the jail keeps them in protective custody. Because if they are released into the general population, there probably wont be a need for a trial anymore.

 

[Trident]

No, but I had to chuckle (and forgive me for going OT). Her statement is similar to Casey's in saying "She told her brother Lee Anthony it was a dead squirrel that crawled up in the engine"

To this day I still can't figure out how dead squirrels crawl

It also reminds me of Scott Peterson's statement regarding the blood in his car ""I would suppose that they will find blood on my truck. I am a fisherman and a hunter,"

In all honesty, I think Misty makes it up as she goes along.

Hugz,

Mel

Actually, someone very wise on a WS thread somewhere, said there must be a school for sociopaths, that they all attend, because they all come up with the same stuff/alibis/scenerios.

It is kind of interesting when you compare one to another.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I don't think that a single person from Ron's side of the family in that meeting was "in shock." How can you be "in shock" when you KNOW and have known for a year and two months that the child is dead and who did it?

I think that TN knew, the GGM knew, and most of all, RON knew--and Ron has known since the evening that Haleigh disappeared.

There is no evidence, at all, that RC "knew" his child was dead, or that his mother and great-grandmother "knew," if by "knew" you mean had absolute knowledge. It's just another accusation against Haleigh's father among many that have been made based solely on speculation.

And even if a parent suspects or has resigned himself or herself to the likely death of a child, to hear that confirmed by LE would be devastating, as can be seen when parents whose children have been missing for many years hear that their remains have been found in a shallow grave somewhere.

 

[mysticrose]

Still trying to get the pressor transcribed, almost done with it. I got to about 5 mins into it last night which took about 20 mins lol and it was already 12:00 am. I will finish it today after work I'm off at noon if we still need it....

 

[tehcloser]

There is no evidence, at all, that RC "knew" his child was dead, or that his mother and great-grandmother "knew," if by "knew" you mean had absolute knowledge. It's just another accusation against Haleigh's father among many that have been made based solely on speculation.

And even if a parent suspects or has resigned himself or herself to the likely death of a child, to hear that confirmed by LE would be devastating, as can be seen when parents whose children have been missing for many years hear that their remains have been found in a shallow grave somewhere.

BBM

True, as far as we know there is no evidence, but it is an opinion that many of us share and have came to believe by watching their actions. Kinda in the same way many became convinced that George and Cindy know more than they are telling........because of their actions. You can't just ignore how people act, there is usually a reason for their behaviour.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

.....unless they're sociopaths.

Sociopathy doesn't mean that a person doesn't have feelings. That's a common misconception. This is taken from DSM-IV:

There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
• failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviours as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
• deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
• Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
• Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
• Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
• Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honour financial obligations;
• Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;
• The individual is at least age 18 years.
There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.

http://web4health.info/en/answers/border-antisocial.htm

Ron's public behavior conforms to a number of these points. However, none of them mention a "lack of feelings" about loved ones. And many young people might match up to "three of more of these," especially if they are abusing alcohol and drugs. It is a dangerous thing to diagnose people we don't know based on what we see on TV. And until he is arrested or named a POI, Ron is still the father of the victim in this case and should not be assumed to be indifferent to the fate of his child. In my opinion.

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't remember any official statement about blood in the van. I do recall that Misty said if there was blood in the van it might've been from an animal because the Croslin boys used it when they went hunting. Does anyone know the specifics on this?

If you watch the LVA she first states she knows there was deer blood in the van
because her brother shot a deer and she saw it...
She then goes on to say..She didn't know what kind of blood LE found but supposedly it was deer blood...JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

BBM

True, as far as we know there is no evidence, but it is an opinion that many of us share and have came to believe by watching their actions. Kinda in the same way many became convinced that George and Cindy know more than they are telling........because of their actions. You can't just ignore how people act, there is usually a reason for their behaviour.

It seems to me that too much in this case has been analogized from the Anthony case. Most of the people in this case who are in their twenties live a reprehensible, irresponsible life style that involves alcohol and drug abuse, and apparently drug sales. Much can be criticized on those points. But people can be absolute dirtbags without being murderers or child rapists or indifferent to their children on such a grand scale as to have no feelings at all about a death. I don't at all ignore what these people do, but in terms of the case, I only consider evidence. There are lots of people I don't like; most of them aren't murderers.

 

[Amster]

Didn't Chelsea give a copy of the letter to LP? She's afraid of retaliation from Joe?? Well...I am just dying to find out about this huge crime syndicate that Joe is affiliated with!! AND, by the way, Chelsea and Timmy had access to the van that night....just saying...

 

[newstome]

I do not believe LE would have taken Ron to the meeting to inform the family that Haleigh was probably murdered if they felt he had anything to do with it.

 

[Amster]

If all of the Florida Croslin clan had these suspicions about Joe from the beginning, why didn't Ron? Did Ron know Joe before he started shacking up with Misty? Did he hang out with Tommy and Timmy?

 

[nyvictoria]

I do not believe LE would have taken Ron to the meeting to inform the family that Haleigh was probably murdered if they felt he had anything to do with it.

Respectfully, I think they have to tell Ron. He's Haleigh's father and next of kin. Even if LE suspects Ron was involved, they have to keep him in the loop with regards to the investigation.

jmo

 

[debs]

(1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.

(2) The provisions of this section do not apply to a person 16 or 17 years of age who has had the disabilities of nonage removed under chapter 743.

(3) The victim's prior sexual conduct is not a relevant issue in a prosecution under this section.

(4) If an offense under this section directly results in the victim giving birth to a child, paternity of that child shall be established as described in chapter 742. If it is determined that the offender is the father of the child, the offender must pay child support pursuant to the child support guidelines described in chapter 61. History.--RS 2598; s. 1, ch. 4965, 1901; GS 3521; s. 1, ch. 6974, 1915; s. 1, ch. 7732, 1918; RGS 5409; s. 1, ch. 8596, 1921; CGL 7552; s. 1, ch. 61-109; s. 759, ch. 71-136; s. 1, ch. 96-409.

BBM...Just wanted to mention that RC has lost the life of his beloved daughter. He has been punished 3 fold. Even hot tempered drug dealers have feelings

I'm sure you didn't intend to suggest that a person who commits the crime as stated in the statute you noted should be relieved of punishment of his crime because, in the process of committing this felony, person or persons as yet unknown murdered his daughter. While most everyone on this site is compassionate to the loss of the innocent life, this particular crime is also a felony against another child. The loss of his child is directly linked to his felonious relationship with Misty Croslin. That is inescapable, and as much compassion for the death of Haleigh, I still also hold in review the crime against Misty. Whether she be a willing participant as seems she was, the law states a child of this age is not capable of issuing consent and any adult engaging in sexual relations with that child has committed a crime.

The punishment of statutory rape was not the death of his child. As yet, Ronald has not faced any punishment for his particular crimes.

 

[Amster]

I do not believe LE would have taken Ron to the meeting to inform the family that Haleigh was probably murdered if they felt he had anything to do with it.

In one report, it said Ronald was brought over to be questioned....just like Misty was. Not to be in a meeting with the families. Would be interesting to find out from one of the family members if Ronald was with them.

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't think that a single person from Ron's side of the family in that meeting was "in shock." How can you be "in shock" when you KNOW and have known for a year and two months that the child is dead and who did it?

I think that TN knew, the GGM knew, and most of all, RON knew--and Ron has known since the evening that Haleigh disappeared.

90 plus calls that night tells me he knew Haleigh was deceased and he desperately needed to cover his rear. And IMHO when covering your own rear is more important than your child being deceased, you are one pathetic excuse for a human being...
And then when you throw into the mix his main objective was to set up those he requested help from in order to cover his own rear.. You are dealing with a REAL piece of work..Not worthy of the air they breathe... All just my opinion

 

[Muffet]

"[Joe Overstreet is] a person of interest as far as having information," Bowling said.

OK, here it says that Chelsea claims to have told LE about this location right after Haleigh went missing. Claims Hank Sr. tore up the letter that Misty sent him. Why would Chelsea not turn over the letter LE? ( Chelsea Croslin said she did not want to provide a copy of the letter for fear of retaliation.) Why would she claim she told LE about the area 14 months ago and LE said that is not so. Grandma Hollars also feels the 3 of them are still holding something back, I wonder if she got another letter that she to is not sharing? IMO, Misty must of told Chelsea something and Chelsea has not shared all with LE. I find her behavior very odd as well.
Also, notice in the article it reads that LE feelsJoe is person of interest as far as having information," Bowling said

That does jump out at you, doesn't it? Add in all the comments yesterday that people were "starting to talk" and "where it will lead, we don't know..."

LE still seems to be sending the message to us that they do not believe the Croslin claims that JO did it.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

If all of the Florida Croslin clan had these suspicions about Joe from the beginning, why didn't Ron? Did Ron know Joe before he started shacking up with Misty? Did he hang out with Tommy and Timmy?

I wonder the same...I also wonder why Ron denied the fight between Joe?
The fact that he had no interest in the possibility that Joe had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance made me suspicious as well. He kept screaming out that he would kill whom ever took Haleigh, yet he discarded the possibility that Joe had anything to do with it and Married the last person to be with Haleigh. Made no sense then, and make no sense now..