2010.04.20 - Funeral plans?

[Emeralgem]

Personally, I don't think anyone around this child has any doubt where Haleigh Cummings is today. She is an angel in heaven and I believe they know it. Honestly that is just the way I feel.

BBM.. And IIRC Ron Cummings' mother, TN referred to Haleigh as the same in her interview with AH when she was talking about how great Misty was and how it warmed her heart to see them all together...

 

[suspicious1]

Personally, I don't think anyone around this child has any doubt where Haleigh Cummings is today. She is an angel in heaven and I believe they know it. Honestly that is just the way I feel.

I feel what you are saying Elle. BUT...(you know me)

IMO, The Cummings have no doubts about where Haleigh is today (IMO they never had any doubts).....But the Sheffields do because I don't think they know the whole story either. I don't doubt the Cummings have come to terms with this and is now looking at Haleigh as if she is an angel in heaven. I believe they began trying to come to terms with this back in February. The Sheffields were told just recently that LE believed Haleigh was dead and that this was a homocide. Sheffields are being faced with the reality of it right now....The Cummings, IMO, have been dealing with the reality of it since February. When I seen Ron's truck and the front said "God will deliver daddy's little girl" and the back said "Only God can judge me", I knew then that that was he way of trying to come to terms with what happened Haleigh. IMO, when Crystal and Ron was faced with planning a funeral, Ron and Teresa were quicker to decide to have one. why??? Just like stated by BA, I would never give up on my child being out there if there was no body. A funeral to me, is like....FINAL. Its suppose to provide closure. If I had a missing child but no one could find her body or bring her body back to me?...Honestly I wouldn't want that type of closure...not a funeral. I would still have hope that she is out there somewhere, maybe alive. Maybe Ron and Teresa were trying to make this "FINAL" by having a funeral but I don't think Crystal and her family were quite ready to do that. They haven't had one yet have they? I wouldn't either..which tells me that LE did not find any part of Haleigh's remains. The Sheffields are still holding on to hope...for a reason...unlike Ron and Teresa.

What happened to "We want proof" by the Cummings??? But they agree to a funeral???
JMO though

 

[Emeralgem]

I feel what you are saying Elle. BUT...(you know me)

IMO, The Cummings have no doubts about where Haleigh is today (IMO they never had any doubts).....But the Sheffields do because I don't think they know the whole story either. I don't doubt the Cummings have come to terms with this and is now looking at Haleigh as if she is an angel in heaven. I believe they began trying to come to terms with this back in February. The Sheffields were told just recently that LE believed Haleigh was dead and that this was a homocide. Sheffields are being faced with the reality of it right now....The Cummings, IMO, have been dealing with the reality of it since February. When I seen Ron's truck and the front said "God will deliver daddy's little girl" and the back said "Only God can judge me", I knew then that that was he way of trying to come to terms with what happened Haleigh. IMO, when Crystal and Ron was faced with planning a funeral, Ron and Teresa were quicker to decide to have one. why??? Just like stated by BA, I would never give up on my child being out there if there was no body. A funeral to me, is like....FINAL. Its suppose to provide closure. If I had a missing child but no one could find her body or bring her body back to me?...Honestly I wouldn't want that type of closure...not a funeral. I would still have hope that she is out there somewhere, maybe alive. Maybe Ron and Teresa were trying to make this "FINAL" by having a funeral but I don't think Crystal and her family were quite ready to do that. They haven't had one yet have they? I wouldn't either..which tells me that LE did not find any part of Haleigh's remains. The Sheffields are still holding on to hope...for a reason...unlike Ron and Teresa.

JMO though

And IMHO..... Ron and his mother know exactly where Haleigh's remains are and for them to want closure to satisfy their own desires and wants
w/o ever having to reveal to Crystal and her side of the family what really happened and what they did with Haleigh's remains is beyond selfish.. It's inhumane and cruel.. The epitome of everything EVIL that exists in this world...JMO

 

[suspicious1]

And IMHO..... Ron and his mother know exactly where Haleigh's remains are and for them to want closure to satisfy their own desires and wants
w/o ever having to reveal to Crystal and her side of the family what really happened and what they did with Haleigh's remains is beyond selfish.. It's inhumane and cruel.. The epitome of everything EVIL that exists in this world...JMO

:clap::clap::clap:

I feel so bad for Haleigh.

But she's well protected now.

 

[elle1919]

I feel what you are saying Elle. BUT...(you know me)

IMO, The Cummings have no doubts about where Haleigh is today (IMO they never had any doubts).....But the Sheffields do because I don't think they know the whole story either. I don't doubt the Cummings have come to terms with this and is now looking at Haleigh as if she is an angel in heaven. I believe they began trying to come to terms with this back in February. The Sheffields were told just recently that LE believed Haleigh was dead and that this was a homocide. Sheffields are being faced with the reality of it right now....The Cummings, IMO, have been dealing with the reality of it since February. When I seen Ron's truck and the front said "God will deliver daddy's little girl" and the back said "Only God can judge me", I knew then that that was he way of trying to come to terms with what happened Haleigh. IMO, when Crystal and Ron was faced with planning a funeral, Ron and Teresa were quicker to decide to have one. why??? Just like stated by BA, I would never give up on my child being out there if there was no body. A funeral to me, is like....FINAL. Its suppose to provide closure. If I had a missing child but no one could find her body or bring her body back to me?...Honestly I wouldn't want that type of closure...not a funeral. I would still have hope that she is out there somewhere, maybe alive. Maybe Ron and Teresa were trying to make this "FINAL" by having a funeral but I don't think Crystal and her family were quite ready to do that. They haven't had one yet have they? I wouldn't either..which tells me that LE did not find any part of Haleigh's remains.

JMO though

I can agree with some of your post, no there hasn't been a funeral. A funeral is final and aids in closure, but do you think a funeral is peace for the heart or the mind? I have been to many and though my loved one was lying in a box a few feet in front of me, I couldn't believe they were gone. Death is often sudden and unexpected but my personal feeling is that over the past year there are those in these families that have come to a place where they know Haleigh is no longer among the living, and I hope that they are not waiting for her body to be delivered to them before they resign themselves to that, because that in my opinion is just denial. I am not trying to be cold or unfeeling....it is just obvious to me, that Haleigh was the victim of a homicide, she is not a missing child and she was not abducted by a stranger.

However, I am certain that we will not see a funeral until some of the forensic testing comes back to corroborate the stories being told, because the problem that I see is in order to believe that Haleigh is an angel in heaven The Sheffield family would have to take the word of The Croslin clan, and I wouldn't do that either, without proof. I have really had to examine my stance on what TN and RC believed to be truth in this case since the drug arrests. There was so much more going on than we were allowed to see early on in this investigation, but soon I believe a lot of questions will be answered.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

And IMHO..... Ron and his mother know exactly where Haleigh's remains are and for them to want closure to satisfy their own desires and wants w/o ever having to reveal to Crystal and her side of the family what really happened and what they did with Haleigh's remains is beyond selfish.. It's inhumane and cruel.. The epitome of everything EVIL that exists in this world...JMO

Wouldn't we all like to know where RC went "to talk to HaLeigh" on Christmas Day last year? I've thought for a long time that TN and AS buried HaLeigh somewhere that is known only to the Cummings. I wonder if GGS property was searched? Or any of the various residences that TN has occupied?

 

[debs]

Wouldn't we all like to know where RC went "to talk to HaLeigh" on Christmas Day last year? I've thought for a long time that TN and AS buried HaLeigh somewhere that is known only to the Cummings. I wonder if GGS property was searched? Or any of the various residences that TS has occupied?

Annette Sykes also has quite a list of properties connected to her name.

I am always curious why people say things, and then even more curious why they don't say something else. This statement about Ron needing to leave the family gathering to "talk to Haleigh" is curious for both reasons.

 

[suspicious1]

Wouldn't we all like to know where RC went "to talk to HaLeigh" on Christmas Day last year? I've thought for a long time that TN and AS buried HaLeigh somewhere that is known only to the Cummings. I wonder if GGS property was searched? Or any of the various residences that TS has occupied?

I would love to know that too, BDE. He probably went to that area near the dock. IIRC, it's not that far from GMSykes house. Maybe that's why Misty had to give TN and GMSykes a heads up on the search. What if they were all going to visit Haleigh there. What if they marked the burial spot with a few flowers (roses maybe) and a couple items that were sentimental to them (TN/GMS)? What if they went to the woods the day before the search, to retrieve those items, so they would not be linked back to them? Just thinking out loud..sorry for the OT:waitasec:

 

[KSH352]

A person can file a declaration of presumption of death with the Court and receive a death certificate without waiting the 7 years (that the Court's use to "presume" death).

As for life insurance, there was an article from right after HaLeigh went missing that said Crystal had life insurance on herself and the kids. Whether or not that is true - who knows. There has been so much horrible reporting in this case.

(This is dated February 13th, 2009)


http://www.wftv.com/news/18706639/detail.html

Just read the article you posted a link to. There are a some errors in that article, but will not go into that . News papers are not the gospel

CRYSTAL DOES NOT HAVE AN INSURANCE POLICY ON HALEIGH.

 

[KSH352]

Personally, I think that's a little odd but I'm sitting here and don't know everything going on.

I hope Crystal is doing okay and just let her know that even though many of us don't know her personally, we care about her and Junior.

Thank you so much will pass on your sentiments.

 

[KSH352]

I feel what you are saying Elle. BUT...(you know me)

IMO, The Cummings have no doubts about where Haleigh is today (IMO they never had any doubts).....But the Sheffields do because I don't think they know the whole story either. I don't doubt the Cummings have come to terms with this and is now looking at Haleigh as if she is an angel in heaven. I believe they began trying to come to terms with this back in February. The Sheffields were told just recently that LE believed Haleigh was dead and that this was a homocide. Sheffields are being faced with the reality of it right now....The Cummings, IMO, have been dealing with the reality of it since February. When I seen Ron's truck and the front said "God will deliver daddy's little girl" and the back said "Only God can judge me", I knew then that that was he way of trying to come to terms with what happened Haleigh. IMO, when Crystal and Ron was faced with planning a funeral, Ron and Teresa were quicker to decide to have one. why??? Just like stated by BA, I would never give up on my child being out there if there was no body. A funeral to me, is like....FINAL. Its suppose to provide closure. If I had a missing child but no one could find her body or bring her body back to me?...Honestly I wouldn't want that type of closure...not a funeral. I would still have hope that she is out there somewhere, maybe alive. Maybe Ron and Teresa were trying to make this "FINAL" by having a funeral but I don't think Crystal and her family were quite ready to do that. They haven't had one yet have they? I wouldn't either..which tells me that LE did not find any part of Haleigh's remains. The Sheffields are still holding on to hope...for a reason...unlike Ron and Teresa.

What happened to "We want proof" by the Cummings??? But they agree to a funeral???
JMO though

I understand your opinion BUT I would like to make it clear that Ronald and Teresa wanted a funeral. yes, I agree with your opinion that they were trying to make if FINAL. But that decision was made on their own because PCSO did not advise them to have a funeral or memorial of any kind.

Of Course Crystal is not "ready" to have a funeral for her daughter because there is no proof that HaLeigh is no longer alive.

 

[Whisperer]

Thank you KSH, another error in reporting as usual and I chalk this one up to mr cumminngs' attorney for this little nugget being released. Not to excuse Shoey but rc or tn may have relayed that to him....

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I understand your opinion BUT I would like to make it clear that Ronald and Teresa wanted a funeral. yes, I agree with your opinion that they were trying to make if FINAL. But that decision was made on their own because PCSO did not advise them to have a funeral or memorial of any kind.

Of Course Crystal is not "ready" to have a funeral for her daughter because there is no proof that HaLeigh is no longer alive.

In one of her interviews or a jailhouse video, Misty says something like "they just need to move on" with regard to LE continually looking to her for answers regarding HaLeigh's disappearance. It sounds to me like RC and TN are of similar mind in wanting to put this episode behind them and move on with their lives. A funeral or memorial service would be self-serving, imo, so that they can show the public that they had no involvement in the child's disappearance/death but that they are willing to accept it and want closure.

As HaLeigh's mother, Crystal will probably never have closure unless the little girl is found, alive or dead. A mother never forgets her child, and Crystal will likely never recover completely from this sad ordeal. There will always be an empty place in and under her heart where this precious child grew. My thoughts and prayers are with her and her family, especially Junior.

 

[Emeralgem]

I understand your opinion BUT I would like to make it clear that Ronald and Teresa wanted a funeral. yes, I agree with your opinion that they were trying to make if FINAL. But that decision was made on their own because PCSO did not advise them to have a funeral or memorial of any kind.

Of Course Crystal is not "ready" to have a funeral for her daughter because there is no proof that HaLeigh is no longer alive.

And I highly suspect Ron Cummings and his mother made certain there would never be any proof Haleigh is deceased, they couldn't risk the cause ever being revealed, however I do understand Crystal's position concerning Haleigh. My thoughts and prayers are with her..and all her family.. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think when Hardy met with the families he told them all, including Ron Cummings, that Haleigh would not be coming home alive again and when that was told to them, Ron knew he and the rest of her family would have to prepare for a funeral instead if they ever found her little body.

He was told there wasnt going to be a happy homecoming.
So he knew one day her family would have to bury Haleigh and plan for a funeral.

IMO

 

[Whisperer]

I think PCSO told them to prepare for the worst...and probably those are the words that were used.

 

[suspicious1]

I understand your opinion BUT I would like to make it clear that Ronald and Teresa wanted a funeral. yes, I agree with your opinion that they were trying to make if FINAL. But that decision was made on their own because PCSO did not advise them to have a funeral or memorial of any kind.

Of Course Crystal is not "ready" to have a funeral for her daughter because there is no proof that HaLeigh is no longer alive.

Thank you for the correction KSH, But knowing that the funeral was all TN and Ron's idea...is even worse..IMO

 

[tehcloser]

I think when Hardy met with the families he told them all, including Ron Cummings, that Haleigh would not be coming home alive again and when that was told to them, Ron knew he and the rest of her family would have to prepare for a funeral instead if they ever found her little body.

He was told there wasnt going to be a happy homecoming.
So he knew one day her family would have to bury Haleigh and plan for a funeral.

IMO

Preparing for a funeral WHEN they find her body, or have PROOF that's she's dead is one thing. That's NOT what this is. Unless LE has been lying about finding part of her, all they have is a crap story from two lying little druggies....no one has even been charged with murder yet. It's like putting the cart before the horse for Pete's sake.

 

[seeking truth]

Wouldn't we all like to know where RC went "to talk to HaLeigh" on Christmas Day last year? I've thought for a long time that TN and AS buried HaLeigh somewhere that is known only to the Cummings. I wonder if GGS property was searched? Or any of the various residences that TN has occupied?

What you bring up is really important, BetteDavisEyes. Whether true or not, TN stating that Ron had to go off somewhere to talk to HaLeigh sounds like he believes her to be dead. Of course, it could mean something else but, if we have someone missing, is there somewhere in particular we need to go to "talk" to them, or could that take place anywhere, since we have no idea where our missing loved one could be? (I doubt just about everything Teresa Neves says, and she says a LOT! In fact, I think her abundance of words and emotions ~which ring untrue and "off" so much of the time ~ are helping to solve this crime, if it isn't solved already).

Does anyone else remember that Annette Sykes was also interviewed around the holidays and was making excuses for Ron being gone from some of the family gathering(s)? Could it actually be that he was doing something with the area where HaLeigh's body is (or was) or with HaLeigh's remains? To give so much emphasis, to bring up that Ron wasn't with them most of the time, and Teresa and Annette's obvious compulsion to make excuses for that makes me suspicious. Then and now.

Could they have all known, or at least have thought, that there would be less attention paid to them over the holidays by LE? This wasn't the case with media though, and I don't think for a moment they welcomed the questions, though they play it off, in my opinion.

Just some thoughts and opinions.

 

[suspicious1]

What you bring up is really important, BetteDavisEyes. Whether true or not, TN stating that Ron had to go off somewhere to talk to HaLeigh sounds like he believes her to be dead. Of course, it could mean something else but, if we have someone missing, is there somewhere in particular we need to go to "talk" to them, or could that take place anywhere, since we have no idea where our missing loved one could be? (I doubt just about everything Teresa Neves says, and she says a LOT! In fact, I think her abundance of words and emotions ~which ring untrue and "off" so much of the time ~ are helping to solve this crime, if it isn't solved already).

Does anyone else remember that Annette Sykes was also interviewed around the holidays and was making excuses for Ron being gone from some of the family gathering(s)? Could it actually be that he was doing something with the area where HaLeigh's body is (or was) or with HaLeigh's remains? To give so much emphasis, to bring up that Ron wasn't with them most of the time, and Teresa and Annette's obvious compulsion to make excuses for that makes me suspicious. Then and now.

Could they have all known, or at least have thought, that there would be less attention paid to them over the holidays by LE? This wasn't the case with media though, and I don't think for a moment they welcomed the questions, though they play it off, in my opinion.

Just some thoughts and opinions.

I absolutely agree with your observations, ST. The Cummings have always been suspicious to me. The fact that the funeral was their idea...well...I could on for hours about that...I just don't understand that......coming from this group who seemed to want "PROOF".

Could they be saying they don't need proof of Haleigh being dead (wanting to plan a funeral), but they need proof of HOW she died?
JMO though