2010.04.25 WAS RON a Drug INFORMANT? Discussion

[Coldpizza]

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It is a mystery why Ron wasn't convicted for any of the past drug offenses we see on his record. Perhaps he did some sqealing about other offenders. I'm also thinking along the lines that there can be maybe a half dozen things that can go wrong with a bust. Most of those include screwed up police work, paperwork, rights, dates and times listed wrong.
Or Ron was looked up as small pototoes when it came to drug busts in that area.
Or, maybe Ron was just plain lucky.
jmo

I was and still am one of the ones that believe he was a snitch. Somewhere I believe he was in someones pocket. Only because of his mom. Way to many charges for something not to be hinky. I'm not accusing LE and AZ you have much more insite than I do but I find it very strange that there is so much silence when it comes to Ron.Why is that?

 

[4Jacy]

On one hand I am in agreement with the posters above. RC is more than likely what is considered a snitch rather than an official informant. I think it's possible that he has told on others in the past to get pending charges or to avoid being charged in the past.

On the other hand the OP's question makes me ponder this:

1. Didn't his Mother work for LE in some manner or fashion?

2. A comment that RC made on the 911 call---I got better people to talk to (or something along those lines) was he refering to his Mother? Is she still connected to the LE through social connections? Can we infer that he was talking about her and her connections to get things done?

I have to go with the first scenario that I posted but I would love it if others would speculate as to if the second scenario could be possible? Could RC have been extended the offer to "snitch" because of his Mothers previous employment and/or social relationships (including any intimate relationships if any) while working for LE?

Just a thought that came off the top of my head. JMHt (Just my humble thoughts lol)

Wow, and thanks. I have always thought TN had some "pull" or "something" to do with the police. I don't respect my theory, however, I do think it is plausible. I would really perfer thinking RC was some type of "informant." But I think we all know he wasn't. I feel he is so very involved. I am so sick of these people, I am so discussed by these players. Don't they realize that there is an after life; what do they think ( I suppose they don't even think)
what is going to happen to them in the after life.

God , I pray that whatever happened to little Haleigh, she was dead before, whatever was done to her was done.

 

[grandmaj]

Back On Topic this thread is sliding sideways.

 

[Coldpizza]

Let me add in NO WAY do I believe it was luck!!

 

[Coldpizza]

Back On Topic this thread is sliding sideways.

Yes Mamm :angel:

 

[Homegrown]

Quote:Or do you think GR made it up as he had heard it from someone in this bunch?

You can bet money GR checked out his records before he asked that question. DO you do Drugs?

 

[dodie20]

ITA totally that RC was not ever an informant for or undercover LE. That said - true undercover LE's sometimes HAVE to "do the drug" to be trusted and believed. This, however, is witnessed by the "bad guys" and not done "sneakily off to the side - while counting one pill off" like we have witnessed RC doing.

a lot of under cover cops are bigger users than the criminals, & they enjoy their work immensely.

 

[dodie20]

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I was and still am one of the ones that believe he was a snitch. Somewhere I believe he was in someones pocket. Only because of his mom. Way to many charges for something not to be hinky. I'm not accusing LE and AZ you have much more insite than I do but I find it very strange that there is so much silence when it comes to Ron.Why is that?

you're right. LE will often give an informant's 'job' to a guy whose mother works for them, @ the coutrhouse, etc...it usually doesn't take long to figure out. They're either mysteriously absent the one night of the bust, or what charges they do rack up, seem to mysteriously disappear due to a lost police report, etc...

 

[grandmaj]

I'm going to weigh in on this. I think Ron may have given up his sources in his early days. I don't think he was ever a recruited informant.

When I watch those drug videos if he was an informant the undercover would have kept Ron's hands clean.

He would have told him not to be there. And, on the big buy from the undercover, if you notice the UC divided the pills into two bags and made sure he put one bag in Ron's hands and one bag in Misty's hands. Ron was not working undercover IMO they wanted him as much as they wanted Misty. MOO

 

[raisincharlie]

Informant - no.

Snitch to save his hide - yes

From his last court appearance for trafficking - it was said he is talking to the prosecution yet again, making a deal in other words. JMO GGMa Sykes was relaying to him to be a snitch to get him out of this trafficking issue.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I'm going to weigh in on this. I think Ron may have given up his sources in his early days. I don't think he was ever a recruited informant.

When I watch those drug videos if he was an informant the undercover would have kept Ron's hands clean.

He would have told him not to be there. And, on the big buy from the undercover, if you notice the UC divided the pills into two bags and made sure he put one bag in Ron's hands and one bag in Misty's hands. Ron was not working undercover IMO they wanted him as much as they wanted Misty. MOO

I agree with you 100% on this one, grandmaj!

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I'm going to weigh in on this. I think Ron may have given up his sources in his early days. I don't think he was ever a recruited informant.

When I watch those drug videos if he was an informant the undercover would have kept Ron's hands clean.

He would have told him not to be there. And, on the big buy from the undercover, if you notice the UC divided the pills into two bags and made sure he put one bag in Ron's hands and one bag in Misty's hands. Ron was not working undercover IMO they wanted him as much as they wanted Misty. MOO

I'm so glad you chimed it with more than "you guys are going off topic" or whatever you said. We value your input, which is terrific insight. :blowkiss:

 

[Zoe Bogart]

From his last court appearance for trafficking - it was said he is talking to the prosecution yet again, making a deal in other words. JMO GGMa Sykes was relaying to him to be a snitch to get him out of this trafficking issue.

Very interesting. GGSykes did say, "they have a snitch in there" on one of the tapes, and I wondered about that, too. Why would granny be worrying about a snitch in jail if he's "innocent"? I guess it could be taken two ways, and that was the idea. Watch for snitches, play your snitch card. I guess they didn't realize LE had something big in mind for him this time.

 

[chealy1]

Does anyone know whether he had a public defender or a hired attorney for his previous offences? If he had a good, hired attorney I can imagine him getting off the hook for some offences. Somehow I just don't buy that he was a snitch...I think that kind of thing happens more frequently on cops shows on TV than to the hundreds of thousands of every day small time drug users like RC who are charged with posession. Its just a little too out there for me. IMO he was not convicted for some other reasons...not sure what they are...rather than because he was a snitch. JMO

 

[Tainted Angel]

I just don't buy that he was a snitch...I think that kind of thing happens more frequently on cops shows on TV than to the hundreds of thousands of every day small time drug users like RC who are charged with posession. Its just a little too out there for me. IMO he was not convicted for some other reasons...not sure what they are...rather than because he was a snitch. JMO

You'd be absolutely surprised to know how much this does happen and happens everywhere. I don't want to go into too much detail here, but I have some knowledge of the undercover narcotics field. After watching the bust videos, Ron and Misty were definately the targets. There was no reason to have Ron serving in any 'undercover' role. IMO, the guy driving the car was the undercover. What you saw there was what is called a buy-bust. Other undercover officers were most likely following that car and once the buy was done and documented there was probably a signal and the officers moved in quick and took the targets down. All of the prior videos of deals going down were just the investigative work of the narcotics agents documenting a pattern and gathering charges and the true undercover developing a trust between himself and the targets.

Sorry I don't have a link for it, but on one of the Cobra tapes I listened to some time ago he mentioned the HIDTA boys while talking to Ron, which means that the agents that took Ron and Misty down this time are part of a narcotics task force that does nothing but this kind of thing. They are narcotics investigators and they usually do not deal with street level narcotics dealing unless it looks like it will turn into a bigger case. They are after the mid-level and higher dealers on up the ladder from street level. A lot of cases do start at street level with the hopes that these lower level players will roll and give up their suppliers. Sometimes these street level dealers will agree to contact their supplier(s) and set up a deal with them that is monitored by LE in exchange for consideration for a reduction of charges, lighter sentence etc. Then agents take down the next level supplier and keep going as far as they can up that ladder. If the case does not develop, perp goes to jail, investigators move to the next case.

IMO, Ron was not working 'undercover' anywhere. He was investigated and taken down. It's possible he could have given investigators information after the fact, but none of us will ever know that. This type of information gets people killed and anyone that works in this type of environment knows that and knows to hold their tongue.

 

[Muffet]

Thank you, Tainted Angel.

One thing that spoke volumes to me was that LE had so many chances to arrest Misty alone, but they waited until they had Ron right there with her.

 

[dodie20]

Does anyone know whether he had a public defender or a hired attorney for his previous offences? If he had a good, hired attorney I can imagine him getting off the hook for some offences. Somehow I just don't buy that he was a snitch...I think that kind of thing happens more frequently on cops shows on TV than to the hundreds of thousands of every day small time drug users like RC who are charged with posession. Its just a little too out there for me. IMO he was not convicted for some other reasons...not sure what they are...rather than because he was a snitch. JMO

also, there's a big difference between an undercover cop & a snitch. A snitch is no more than A 'source' to cops. They trade information for prosecution protection. That protection might not be garunteed, but it's pretty solid. These guys aren't living double 'police' type lives. They go about their drug businessas as usual, but turn in their suppliers, party friends, locations & times of deals, manufacturers etc...it's nothing for a snitch to buy from & get high with a guy & then get him busted in the same day. That's why they have to watch their backs.

 

[Tainted Angel]

Thank you, Tainted Angel.

One thing that spoke volumes to me was that LE had so many chances to arrest Misty alone, but they waited until they had Ron right there with her.

And that might have been one of the determining factors of going ahead with the buy-bust that day. If both Ron and Misty were targeted it was as good as a time as any to take them both down that day rather than risk taking one down and then trying to get the other one later. Word travels fast about these things in the drug culture, I would imagine even moreso in a small town like Satsuma. Given Ron's propensity to potential violence it was probably a smart move to take them down together. If they had arrested Misty by herself, Ron could have done anything from skip town to barricading himself in a stand off. You just don't know about these things and the safest route is always the best way.

Plus, each one of those previous buys is a seperate criminal count against her. I'm sure they were letting Misty hang herself as far as that goes. As long as she was willing to participate in the deals, they were willing to let her continue. More counts (charges) = more jail time.

 

[LightDragon]

I don't think RC was an official informant, he might have snitched on someone before to get his own charges dropped/reduced. IMO if he had worked with LE in any capacity he would've made that 911 call himself thinking that his "buddies" at the department would rush to help. The comment RC made to the dispatcher about having better people to talk to sounds like a frustrated father ready to call "his boys" and take the law into his own hands. JMHO.

 

[azwriter]

You'd be absolutely surprised to know how much this does happen and happens everywhere. I don't want to go into too much detail here, but I have some knowledge of the undercover narcotics field. After watching the bust videos, Ron and Misty were definately the targets. There was no reason to have Ron serving in any 'undercover' role. IMO, the guy driving the car was the undercover. What you saw there was what is called a buy-bust. Other undercover officers were most likely following that car and once the buy was done and documented there was probably a signal and the officers moved in quick and took the targets down. All of the prior videos of deals going down were just the investigative work of the narcotics agents documenting a pattern and gathering charges and the true undercover developing a trust between himself and the targets.

Sorry I don't have a link for it, but on one of the Cobra tapes I listened to some time ago he mentioned the HIDTA boys while talking to Ron, which means that the agents that took Ron and Misty down this time are part of a narcotics task force that does nothing but this kind of thing. They are narcotics investigators and they usually do not deal with street level narcotics dealing unless it looks like it will turn into a bigger case. They are after the mid-level and higher dealers on up the ladder from street level. A lot of cases do start at street level with the hopes that these lower level players will roll and give up their suppliers. Sometimes these street level dealers will agree to contact their supplier(s) and set up a deal with them that is monitored by LE in exchange for consideration for a reduction of charges, lighter sentence etc. Then agents take down the next level supplier and keep going as far as they can up that ladder. If the case does not develop, perp goes to jail, investigators move to the next case.

IMO, Ron was not working 'undercover' anywhere. He was investigated and taken down. It's possible he could have given investigators information after the fact, but none of us will ever know that. This type of information gets people killed and anyone that works in this type of environment knows that and knows to hold their tongue.

Tainted, thanks so much for this great post. It's filled with valuable on-the-street information. I just wanted to add that the reason the undercover stopped on that particular deal was that the dealing ends when the undercover sells drugs to the suspect. If I understand correctly, in all the other deals, Ron and company were the seller to the undercover. The dealing has to stop and the bust made once the suspect gain drugs from the undercover. Can't let them walk away with the drugs, right?