2010.05.29 ~ Tommy and Lindsy video ~ Early April

[dodie20]

I don't understand how that works. A LDT with one question only? I thought the procedure is that you have to ask several questions in order to have a baseline to compare the significant questions against.

that's what I thought too, but Tommy is a known liar, so he could be lieing about this. But why? ...I think, unless he's a murderer, the truth would do him better.

 

[B4igo2it]

If the LDT was administered by Wertner and not LE, I have a feeling that Linds posed a question for the LDT (like about the stolen items she found in the home) - Tom was not truthful in his response. She would know the answer and that is why she is so angry.
I have a feeling she has a crush on another guy. She complains about being lonely, has no money for food bills gas etc., yet she is going to the gym, getting tattoos and (I assume) going to a tanning salon. She is definitely not trying to look good for tom. Me thinks she has a "wandering eye" - add to my suspicions, she files for divorce and tries to pick an argument with tom, says she has no gas money (good reason to visit him less often) - it is plain to see that this is not normal behavior for her and tom is confused in this change in her. She has left enough hints for him that she is going to move on with her life ... without him. In her defense, I can't really blame her.
I am, however, extemely upset with the abuse of the dog! Instead of regarding the dog as a safety and a protection thing - she wants it out of "HER" house. Sounds to me like she wants anything that has to do with Tom out of "Her" house. We know she has thrown out some of his things (work boots-this puzzled me as that would be something he would need upon release???).
In some ways, she is pretty selfish. Lately, I see her as self-centered. She knows she is on camera and many people see these videos - is her latest attitude merely an act for someone that sees these videos? She was pretty mean to Tom (he was probably so anxious for her visit - he does love her so much). But like she said, "Maybe not enough."
Why did she take Austin out of school to visit Tom? She told him that his son was mad at him and didn't want to talk to him - so why bring him? He should not be privy to their conversations.

 

[Amster]

I believe Linds had been to the beach....she had talked about it before. And, didn't she say that Austin got out of school early that day?

I think her family is ready to step in and help her....as soon as she gets rid of Tommy. That's the impression I get.

 

[dodie20]

If the LDT was administered by Wertner and not LE, I have a feeling that Linds posed a question for the LDT (like about the stolen items she found in the home) - Tom was not truthful in his response. She would know the answer and that is why she is so angry.
I have a feeling she has a crush on another guy. She complains about being lonely, has no money for food bills gas etc., yet she is going to the gym, getting tattoos and (I assume) going to a tanning salon. She is definitely not trying to look good for tom. Me thinks she has a "wandering eye" - add to my suspicions, she files for divorce and tries to pick an argument with tom, says she has no gas money (good reason to visit him less often) - it is plain to see that this is not normal behavior for her and tom is confused in this change in her. She has left enough hints for him that she is going to move on with her life ... without him. In her defense, I can't really blame her.
I am, however, extemely upset with the abuse of the dog! Instead of regarding the dog as a safety and a protection thing - she wants it out of "HER" house. Sounds to me like she wants anything that has to do with Tom out of "Her" house. We know she has thrown out some of his things (work boots-this puzzled me as that would be something he would need upon release???).
In some ways, she is pretty selfish. Lately, I see her as self-centered. She knows she is on camera and many people see these videos - is her latest attitude merely an act for someone that sees these videos? She was pretty mean to Tom (he was probably so anxious for her visit - he does love her so much). But like she said, "Maybe not enough."
Why did she take Austin out of school to visit Tom? She told him that his son was mad at him and didn't want to talk to him - so why bring him? He should not be privy to their conversations.

listening to her recordings, I too think she is very self-centered. The way she talked to her son, made my blood boil. If she really wants to get rid of everything Tommy or Croslin, then I hope she does right by her kids. Her going by her maiden name, so soon, bothers me. Those kids are going through so much, that the last thing they need, is to be reminded that their mother despises & is embarrassed by their bloodline. The kids are Croslins. What does she think about that? I think her hateful words to Austin, make her feelings clear. She needs to accept the responsibility that this isn't just Tommy's fault-& it's darned sure not her kids fault. She, herself, has put herself & her kids in this situation. If Tommy manages to wiggle his way out of serious time, I fully expect her to forgive & forget, say, 'I love you', & then giggle. or she'll move on to another man-probably no different than Tommy. Why does she seem so desperate to have some man around?

 

[txsvicki]

Is this tape before the "Joe did it" story? I wonder if Lindsey is still visiting Tommy. Tommy telling a different story about his whereabouts made it look like she was lying and covering for him. She had made such a big deal in one tape about how she always woke up if he were even out of bed watching TV for 30 minutes, yet he told of being out and running around with Joe over at Misty's and going to the lake. Plus, Lindsey placed herself at the trailer after her class about the same time as Tommy says he went over, knocked, and no one was home. All those changes plus throwing away the workboots makes me wonder.

 

[~ Amy ~]

I was thinking that maybe Austin's school dismissed students around the time she would be at the jail so she had to pick him up early and take him with her. That is about the only logical thing I can think regarding that issue.

 

[debs]

I was thinking that maybe Austin's school dismissed students around the time she would be at the jail so she had to pick him up early and take him with her. That is about the only logical thing I can think regarding that issue.

Where were their other children, then? Tommy and Lindsy have 3 kids.

 

[TrialAddict]

Where were their other children, then? Tommy and Lindsy have 3 kids.

The other children may have been in the car in the parking lot with the babysitter. She has done that before

 

[debs]

The other children may have been in the car in the parking lot with the babysitter. She has done that before

Lawsy. Is the babysitter the dog?

 

[~ Amy ~]

Where were their other children, then? Tommy and Lindsy have 3 kids.

Yeah , I know. After I typed that I thought of that too. It all confuses me. Maybe the baby was at a daycare or with her family ?? I am guessing both of the boys would be in the same school.

 

[mercuriod]

She is not allowed to bring the other 2 children in for the visits, they have to be over 5 I think to visit.

 

[mercuriod]

Just went and checked:

http://www.sjso.org/divisions/media/VideoVisitationCORR.pdf

Visitors must be 6 years old or older.

 

[Tinsel]

She needs a support group ASAP to help her understand her part in making this mess of her life, to set boundaries with the visits by the kids, and take the dog to a shelter so he doesn't have to live penned up just waiting for a chance to relieve himself.

 

[lorann]

She needs a support group ASAP to help her understand her part in making this mess of her life, to set boundaries with the visits by the kids, and take the dog to a shelter so he doesn't have to live penned up just waiting for a chance to relieve himself.

I think she is too angry to take any responsibility in her part of what her life is like. She has much to learn and for the sake of her kids, I hope the people she is around now are not more of the same. I don't remember in any of these tapes if she ever complained when Hank, Lisa, Misty, and Nay Nay were camped out in her house.

Doing something final about the dog seems to fall in the same catagory as doing something final about Tommy...

 

[krt]

Lawsy. Is the babysitter the dog?

If so, how does the dog and cage fit in the car with the other two kids? :dance:

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[cluciano63]

Since we can't do anything much about how Lyndsy deals with her kids and her problems and her finances and her husband...can we do anything about this poor dog? I am far, far away from Fla. and really feeling bad about this poor dog, living where he is not wanted and not being cared for properly...but if county took him, I don't know that he would be much better off...

 

[faefrost]

Why are we jumping all over this poor woman. Yeah she is furious. Apparently she feels her husband has been lying to her about his level of participation in the murder of a child. He is in jail for drug trafficking. In these acts he has literally destroyed her family and brought the full weight of the national tabloid media down on her home. She may or may not be a nice person. She may or may not be a smart person. But lets be truthful here. How would any of us react if we found ourselves in this situation because of our husband/wife/significant other? Yeah letting the kids see what she was saying to daddy isn't particularly nice. Treating his dog that way isn't particularly nice. But these sorts of family situations are never nice. I truly think pretty much all of us would have kicked his arse to the curb, changed our name back to pre marriage and made sure our kids knew exactly why daddy wouldn't be around no more. Yeah she seems petty vindictive and downright mean at this point. But what wife wouldn't be looking at this mess?

 

[Amster]

I'm more concerned about Austin than I am about the dog. For all we really know, she might be taking good care of the dog...just telling Tommy she's mistreating it to hurt him. Whining about how much dog food costs and what a pain it is caring for a dog she hates is silly. All she has to do is take it to the pound. What's Tommy going to do about it? Pout? :innocent:

 

[Justin Tyme]

I think that first we have to look at how young LC was when she got with TC. Take into consideration that he may have held a good job in the beginning of their relationship. Maybe he wasn't into all of the things that he became involved in later in the relationship. Things change, people change and circumstances change. Maybe instead of condeming her for what you feel is wrong, maybe you should suck in your pride and reach out with a helping hand. Although she's young and a bit immature, seems to me that she's trying to do the right things to get her and the children's life on the right track. I do believe that she loves her children and it appeared to me that she was just having some playful fun with Austin on him being a Croslin. On the dog, I think that she was just trying to pressure TC into telling her or allowing / giving her permission to give away the dog. It sounds like she still feeds the dog and takes him for potty breaks. I feel that most of what she says to TC is just her way of TRYING to get him to understand that he's caused all or most of the hardships on the family. He is the selfish one. Can you blame her for trying to do things differently? She's young and she can still learn, but one does not learn anything for being condemned for everything they do. Maybe she did or didn't know where all the stolen items came from. We don't know what story he told her. Yet, if you ask me, out of the whole bunch on both sides of these families she appears to be the only one that has a sense of right and wrong. She has a conscious. She's struggling to be the best that she can for herself and her children. She will need a lot of support from family, friends and the community. For the people that are complaining about the dog, why don't you volunteer to adopt the dog. I mean an adoption where you pay her an adoption fee for the dog. That way the dog gets a home and she gets some much needed financial help. JMO

 

[Lanie]

I think that first we have to look at how young LC was when she got with TC. Take into consideration that he may have held a good job in the beginning of their relationship. Maybe he wasn't into all of the things that he became involved in later in the relationship. Things change, people change and circumstances change. Maybe instead of condeming her for what you feel is wrong, maybe you should suck in your pride and reach out with a helping hand. Although she's young and a bit immature, seems to me that she's trying to do the right things to get her and the children's life on the right track. I do believe that she loves her children and it appeared to me that she was just having some playful fun with Austin on him being a Croslin. On the dog, I think that she was just trying to pressure TC into telling her or allowing / giving her permission to give away the dog. It sounds like she still feeds the dog and takes him for potty breaks. I feel that most of what she says to TC is just her way of TRYING to get him to understand that he's caused all or most of the hardships on the family. He is the selfish one. Can you blame her for trying to do things differently? She's young and she can still learn, but one does not learn anything for being condemned for everything they do. Maybe she did or didn't know where all the stolen items came from. We don't know what story he told her. Yet, if you ask me, out of the whole bunch on both sides of these families she appears to be the only one that has a sense of right and wrong. She has a conscious. She's struggling to be the best that she can for herself and her children. She will need a lot of support from family, friends and the community. For the people that are complaining about the dog, why don't you volunteer to adopt the dog. I mean an adoption where you pay her an adoption fee for the dog. That way the dog gets a home and she gets some much needed financial help. JMO

I've been tempted to comment, but haven't listened to the tapes yet. I just wanted to give a big 'thumbs up' for this post.
How old is Lindsy, anyway? 23, 24? Austin is 6? That puts Lindsy being pregnant by Tommy by the age of 18. It appears she did not choose wisely when picking her mate, but it's not like she is in the minority.
Then the comment she made to Austin. I have 4 grown children, and not everything out of my mouth to them in all these years has been love and sunshine. Kids can be a pain. My children are fine, and we are all very close. I wish I could say I never once lost patience, and I never once said a bad word to them/in front of them, but it wouldn't be true, and I can't think of one person I know who has never said something snarky to their child at one time or another.
As for the dog, I don't know if she is telling the truth or just jacking with Tommy. I also don't know where the dog came from, or if it is housebroken, etc. I know around here, even if someone dumps a dog, I have to pay to take it to a shelter. So, she is already struggling to feed her kids, but FGS, let her take food out of their mouths to pay $50-$100 to get rid of the dog. Maybe she can find it a home, but in my experience, it's not like people are breaking down doors to adopt unpapered dogs that may or may not be current on shots, fixed, and housebroken. My son wouldn't take care of his registered housebroken Boxer, and I spent 2 months unsuccessfully trying to give the dog away. My daughter finally took her, and after a month, my son got her back and is now taking care of her, (so don't start on me, lol.)
Okay, so much for restraining myself, lol. I just feel like Lindsy has been trying to get Tommy to come clean, and she has a lot on her plate trying to work and raise 3 children with little money and deal with media scrutiny and a husband in jail. I wouldn't want to be in her shoes.