2010.05.31 ~ Tommy phone calls during the latter part of April

[my_tee_mouse]

I think the divorce is being done for some sort of monetary reason...something going on there and she was sort of assuring him that it was a simply a formality, IMO

At the same time, she always seems to want to keep him on his toes, keep him jealous, etc..

In some states households are excluded from receiving need-based benefits if a member of the household has been convicted of certain crimes. While incarcerated, a spouse would still be considered a "member of the household" in some cases. Perhaps this is part of her thinking when it comes to divorce. Of course in some states that would backfire if it could be proven that she obtained the divorce for the purpose of obtaining/continuing to receive certain need-based benefits.l

 

[pharsin]

Everyone has missed the 'line that tops all lines' in these tapes. It was spoken best by Chelsey when she told her Brother In-Law Tommy that his daughter was F-ing Gorgeous. Is that the only word you all know? You can't even describe a child without dropping the F Bomb?

I have never experienced a family of 3 generations who use the F Bomb like some of us may use the word 'WOW'

I have not heard a single member of this family finish a sentence without the F-word inserted somewhere in the sentence.

Oh and Tommy...so what if Mom and Dad are living on Ramen noodles so long as they have their paytel minutes so you can call again tonight.

I have listened to all of these april tapes and his only reference to his children has nothing to do with their well being...You never hear him ask how they are...The children are simply a tool for him to contact Lindsey.

I wish someone would start a Poll...I would like to take a guess on how much money Tommy spent on PayTel minutes trying to find someone who had talked to Lindsey..I bet it completely burned up Timmy's paycheck...But what the heck, they don't have a decent car and they are only 3 months behind on their rent.

Oh and tell me please...In all of these tapes...How many times does Tommy mention that he hopes Lindsey has enough money to feed his kids? It would seem that his primary concern is her having Pay Tel minutes so he can call her collect and gas money to come and see him....

I don't think I have ever run across a Father of Three who was more into himself than this Man is...

Come on Tommy just once...please show an ounce of concern for your children and whether or not they have something to eat please!!!

 

[butterfly1978]

Tape 5
ToC and Linds

ToC tells Linds to do what she needs to do, he can handle it, but they gotta be friends.
Linds says yeah, she still loves him.
Linds says yes and no that she wants to talk to him.
Linds says twice, do what I say and ask questions later.
ToC says what's that? Linds says, sign the papers.
ToC tells Linds his lawyer says he's probably got money comin his way.

HMMMMM... that sounds to me like TC just isn't getting what she is saying. Along with her saying later on that she couldnt get the job because of her last name, and her family will not help her if she is involved with the Croslins, I'm really starting to think she wants a "temporary divorse" especially the Do what I say and ask questions later.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

You know what gets me the most? Tommy being 'all about ' his kids...what about the families that will never see their darling Haleigh again?

 

[Homegrown]

Everyone has missed the 'line that tops all lines' in these tapes. It was spoken best by Chelsey when she told her Brother In-Law Tommy that his daughter was F-ing Gorgeous. Is that the only word you all know? You can't even describe a child without dropping the F Bomb?

I have never experienced a family of 3 generations who use the F Bomb like some of us may use the word 'WOW'

I have not heard a single member of this family finish a sentence without the F-word inserted somewhere in the sentence.

Oh and Tommy...so what if Mom and Dad are living on Ramen noodles so long as they have their paytel minutes so you can call again tonight.

I have listened to all of these april tapes and his only reference to his children has nothing to do with their well being...You never hear him ask how they are...The children are simply a tool for him to contact Lindsey.

I wish someone would start a Poll...I would like to take a guess on how much money Tommy spent on PayTel minutes trying to find someone who had talked to Lindsey..I bet it completely burned up Timmy's paycheck...But what the heck, they don't have a decent car and they are only 3 months behind on their rent.

Oh and tell me please...In all of these tapes...How many times does Tommy mention that he hopes Lindsey has enough money to feed his kids? It would seem that his primary concern is her having Pay Tel minutes so he can call her collect and gas money to come and see him....

I don't think I have ever run across a Father of Three who was more into himself than this Man is...

Come on Tommy just once...please show an ounce of concern for your children and whether or not they have something to eat please!!!

Pharsin, This is one of the best post about TC and his all about me. I have never heard him ask about his children and when Lindsy tries to tell him something about one of them, he changes the conversation back to him. Have you talked to my lawyer, are you going to get more minutes, ask someone for money. Now that she has filed for divorce, he uses the kids as a reason for Lindsy to talk to him. Now his kids are real important to him(his bargaining chip).

If the Croslins would stop using the F word their 30 minute calls would only be 3 minutes long. I also see why TC has trouble getting his dad and Tim to answer the phone. It's always the same conversation. Hank Sr. told him several times why Lindsy was getting a divorce and he keeps asking him over and over again. I think maybe sometime Hank thinks he is talking to a wall, because Tc will not listen to anything except what he wants to here. I really hope Lindsy makes a good life for her family.

 

[debs]

Why the need for this weird 3-way phone call?

 

[~greeneyedgirl~]

Why the need for this weird 3-way phone call?

maybe she didn't have minutes on her account to receive his call

 

[Missingmeds]

Because Lyndsy would not take calls from Tommy and she didn't put anymore paytell minutes on her phone.

In other words it was the only way he could reach her.

 

[debs]

The no minutes and not wanting to talk with him would work if Timmy hadn't explained that Lindsy was going to talk, and that he was connecting to her phone via 3-way. So she had minutes, and she DID talk. I'm just confused why it went down like this. Weird. I'd be more likely to believe they thought they could avoid getting it on tape.

 

[elle1919]

Everyone has missed the 'line that tops all lines' in these tapes. It was spoken best by Chelsey when she told her Brother In-Law Tommy that his daughter was F-ing Gorgeous. Is that the only word you all know? You can't even describe a child without dropping the F Bomb?

I have never experienced a family of 3 generations who use the F Bomb like some of us may use the word 'WOW'

I have not heard a single member of this family finish a sentence without the F-word inserted somewhere in the sentence.

Oh and Tommy...so what if Mom and Dad are living on Ramen noodles so long as they have their paytel minutes so you can call again tonight.

I have listened to all of these april tapes and his only reference to his children has nothing to do with their well being...You never hear him ask how they are...The children are simply a tool for him to contact Lindsey.

I wish someone would start a Poll...I would like to take a guess on how much money Tommy spent on PayTel minutes trying to find someone who had talked to Lindsey..I bet it completely burned up Timmy's paycheck...But what the heck, they don't have a decent car and they are only 3 months behind on their rent.

Oh and tell me please...In all of these tapes...How many times does Tommy mention that he hopes Lindsey has enough money to feed his kids? It would seem that his primary concern is her having Pay Tel minutes so he can call her collect and gas money to come and see him....

I don't think I have ever run across a Father of Three who was more into himself than this Man is...

Come on Tommy just once...please show an ounce of concern for your children and whether or not they have something to eat please!!!

Bold by me...After listening to these tapes, I am beginning to understand why the police (Peggy Cone, Jason Jolicieur etc.) spent so much time going and visiting Lyndsy. In my opinion, Lyndsy didn't know what happened to Haleigh up until this year...but there is no doubt in my mind that she knows and she talked about what she knows. Misty might have been the key, but Lyndsy was the weakest link. JMO

 

[pharsin]

Pharsin, This is one of the best post about TC and his all about me. I have never heard him ask about his children and when Lindsy tries to tell him something about one of them, he changes the conversation back to him. Have you talked to my lawyer, are you going to get more minutes, ask someone for money. Now that she has filed for divorce, he uses the kids as a reason for Lindsy to talk to him. Now his kids are real important to him(his bargaining chip).

If the Croslins would stop using the F word their 30 minute calls would only be 3 minutes long. I also see why TC has trouble getting his dad and Tim to answer the phone. It's always the same conversation. Hank Sr. told him several times why Lindsy was getting a divorce and he keeps asking him over and over again. I think maybe sometime Hank thinks he is talking to a wall, because Tc will not listen to anything except what he wants to here. I really hope Lindsy makes a good life for her family.

Oh and 'I wish she would bring Austin to court to stand in the Hallway so I can see him' Is this guy, Tommy, completely crazy?

Bring my kid to the courthouse to stand in the hallway where they parade defendents in and out of court, watch that circus, and see his 'DAD' brought in with chains and handcuffs just so Tommy can get a glimpse of him. Is that not the most self-serving statement you have ever heard?

Is there one ounce of concern for the effect this has on the child who is watching the Criminal Justice System at work?

This child knows more about bond and being out on paper than some adults do.

Just unbelievable!!!!

 

[pharsin]

Has anyone seen a picture of Tim and Chelsey?

I would like to see what they look like. I think Tim is the only one in this 'cast of characters' that I have not seen.

I am guessing he looks alot like his brother, Tommy.

 

[ladonna]

Has anyone seen a picture of Tim and Chelsey?

I would like to see what they look like. I think Tim is the only one in this 'cast of characters' that I have not seen.

I am guessing he looks alot like his brother, Tommy.

I've seen Timmy's myspace photo and also there is a group wedding photo of Misty and Ron's that I think Timmy is in. Tommy and Timmy don't look like each other at all.

 

[Beatrice]

Has anyone seen a picture of Tim and Chelsey?

I would like to see what they look like. I think Tim is the only one in this 'cast of characters' that I have not seen.

I am guessing he looks alot like his brother, Tommy.

Pic of Timmy from his MySpace:

http://www.myspace.com/tim_tim1

 

[Tinsel]

The child-like conversations, the constant repetition, the selfishness ... unable to focus on someone else's point of view ... obsessions.

 

[Jetaime]

The no minutes and not wanting to talk with him would work if Timmy hadn't explained that Lindsy was going to talk, and that he was connecting to her phone via 3-way. So she had minutes, and she DID talk. I'm just confused why it went down like this. Weird. I'd be more likely to believe they thought they could avoid getting it on tape.

For Tommy to call Lindsy directly, she would have to have Paytel minutes on her phone [she didn't]. She had 'regular' airtime minutes. Timmy had Paytel minutes, so Timmy would call Lindsy 3 way and Tommy & L were able to speak to eachother using Timmy's Paytel mins.

 

[debs]

ah, i see.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Oh and 'I wish she would bring Austin to court to stand in the Hallway so I can see him' Is this guy, Tommy, completely crazy?

Bring my kid to the courthouse to stand in the hallway where they parade defendents in and out of court, watch that circus, and see his 'DAD' brought in with chains and handcuffs just so Tommy can get a glimpse of him. Is that not the most self-serving statement you have ever heard? If it isn't the most self-serving statement, it's close. You and other posters have said it well: This man is not at all interested in what is good for hs children. He may "love" them, in terms of having feels about them, but he doesn't understand that love is not what he FEEL; it's what he DOES. Like most addicts, it's all about him.

Is there one ounce of concern for the effect this has on the child who is watching the Criminal Justice System at work? No. Not one ounce.

This child knows more about bond and being out on paper than some adults do. Possibly more than Aunt Misty, who still seems confused by the legal system and her long-term role in it.

Just unbelievable!!!!

Good post. I see that your questions are rhetorical, as the answers are evident, really. My short answers in red but I hope they build on what you and others have started here.

This selfishness (seen in this attitude toward his children, his pursuit of Lindsay, and the obliviousness to what he and Misty have done to the family) is why I don't think Tommy would willingly "cover up" for anyone other than himself, and possibly his sister.

 

[Kimmer]

My opinion on why ToC is so obsessed with what LC is going to do, has absolutly nothing to do with the divorce it has to do with the fact that he is scared to death that she is going to say something to LE that will blow this case wide open...I think that LC has known alot more about this than she realized she knew but when the last search went down and FH was talking about JO and ToC hurting HC is was like the last peice of the puzzle in LC mind and now he knows that she can really hurt him if she speaks to LE...

Another thing, the fact that some think the reason for the divorce is just so LC can get a job with her maiden name, Not so, when a background check is done is shows all the names that you have ever had...Maiden, married and so on...So just because she changes her name back will not make it easier for her to get a job if that is the reason she thinks she has not been able to find a job..I agree with other posters who have said the facts that she can handle narcotics and several of her husbands family as well has her husband is in jail for trafficing is more of the issue than her last name.

 

[3doglady]

I agree Kimmer. Linds knew something that she didn't realize was important until Toc told the other part of the puzzle. He was extremely worried about LE talking to her. Whatever LE learned was enough to declare the case a homicide.