2010.07.01-Family/ LE Presume Kyron Is Alive~ Need SM To Cooperate UPDATED 2010.07.03

[tiredblondy]

I really hope it is him!!!

But if so, why is this not being reported on the news here? Or anywhere? Wouldn't "we believe him to be in Vermont" kind of be important for people to know?

Perhaps they don't want to alert the people he is with because LE is afraid they will harm him.

 

[tiredblondy]

So where's the photo the comment talks about? It says something about uploading a photo but none seen?

If that poster is smart they wont post the photo. I suspect if LE is monitoring the message boards that person will be getting a visit soon to requesting them to please stop.

But I am keeping my eye out for him and the couple...one never knows!

 

[cj1132]

By the time I catch up with all the postings on here, everything I would say has already been said and all I can do is add a few thanks here and there and I have nothing new to add.

However, I will continue to stand by my statements for the last few weeks and say that I do not think TH is responsible for the disappearance of Kyron. Just a feeling I've had and no facts to back it up but IMO it's possible she knows who may be responsible.


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[cypress]

I know this is a nitpick that may elicit the throwing of fruit, but do the hugs by the three parents feel staged? I know they're united to find their son, but each time they've hugged, it's felt like they were chewing the scenery for the camera, very posed.

I ask myself why they'd be doing this, and perhaps it's to make Terri feel like an outsider and want to be brought back into the fold, but that seems almost ludicrous now that Kaine's hired a lawyer, filed for divorce, taken baby K, filed for a RO, Desiree has unofficially confirmed Terri is LE's POI (or whatever semantics you want to put on it, etc.). At this point, she can't be any more outside the fold. Would she really risk confessing to a murder to be brought back in? Is she that dumb?

Or am I totally alone in feeling like the hugs are staged? Well, the first man-hug between Tony and Kaine felt more real, but especially at today's press conference, it felt extremely forced. Eh, I'm rambling.

 

[curiousgal]

I know this is a nitpick that may elicit the throwing of fruit, but do the hugs by the three parents feel staged? I know they're united to find their son, but each time they've hugged, it's felt like they were chewing the scenery for the camera, very posed.

I ask myself why they'd be doing this, and perhaps it's to make Terri feel like an outsider and want to be brought back into the fold, but that seems almost ludicrous now that Kaine's hired a lawyer, filed for divorce, taken baby K, filed for a RO, Desiree has unofficially confirmed Terri is LE's POI (or whatever semantics you want to put on it, etc.). At this point, she can't be any more outside the fold. Would she really risk confessing to a murder to be brought back in? Is she that dumb?

Or am I totally alone in feeling like the hugs are staged? Well, the first man-hug between Tony and Kaine felt more real, but especially at today's press conference, it felt extremely forced. Eh, I'm rambling.

I think the hug between Desiree and Tony seemed legit, but the group hug... a bit odd?

 

[cypress]

I think the hug between Desiree and Tony seemed legit, but the group hug... a bit odd?

ITA with this. Tony's attention to detail (the chair, picking up her glasses, etc.) makes me think he feels helpless. He's definitely attuned to her needs. What I was referring to was the hug between the three. It just seemed so...pointed.

 

[Calliope]

The closest I can come-A young girl abducted outside a grocery store...(CSI)

http://www.fanpop.com/spots/csi/videos/75207/title/season-5-episode-3-harvest?part=1

There was an episode where a child was allegedly abducted from a playground.

http://www.tv.com/csi/still-life/episode/554374/recap.html?tag=episode_recap;recap

 

[mtnone]

If that poster is smart they wont post the photo. I suspect if LE is monitoring the message boards that person will be getting a visit soon to requesting them to please stop.

But I am keeping my eye out for him and the couple...one never knows!

Or perhaps if it has been shown to parents and is him, they employees of the restaurant have been told to be quiet?

I would think to not apply any pressure that may cause anyone to harm him?

Just my thoughts. I would love for it to be him!

 

[wondering1]

ITA with this. Tony's attention to detail (the chair, picking up her glasses, etc.) makes me think he feels helpless. He's definitely attuned to her needs. What I was referring to was the hug between the three. It just seemed so...pointed.

I watched "the group hug" specifically because I saw these comments, but I have to say that although it may have been part of the script, it seemed overall legit to me. Notice the way DY pats KH's back. Imo, if you're struggling to touch someone, you don't subtlely overdo it. It's all or nothing and obvious. jmo

 

[mtnone]

How is this, based on today's, "Kyron is still alive"

My thoughts only:

Kyron is not on bus...when talking to the parents later that day, at some point, it would normal to talk to them separately. If so. What if the LE ask Kaine, any troubles at home we need to know about? Kaine: Yes, I think she could have something to do with this, but I just don't know. We have been arguing. We had her older son move out, I didn't get along with him. She is not happy with me. We have been talking about separating.

So, they think we have a 'unique' situation, we don't think it is a stranger abduction. All the things we heard the first few days. They search the area more and more, thinking he could just be out there, left by mom or something to mess with dad. They go through all the steps they do when a child is 'lost', not abducted. We are confused, because all we hear is this, and that no way would Kyron wonder off on his own.

Time goes on, they continue gathering facts, covering bases, searching, checking out the family. Do Lie Detector tests, etc...

They get a tip about Sauvie Island, that is what we were told by them. Maybe a red herring given on purpose, maybe just one of many, many tips, so they search there with helicopters. Maybe they get a photo of something in the water from the helicopters. So they send divers into to search. Couple days later, nothing pans out, or they find it and it's nothing.

Time goes on, there isn't much to say, so the LE says little, the family says even less. Desiree writes a letter, maybe she just wants to, maybe just to keep the news out, maybe she is encouraged to by, maybe Kaine. (the one thing I kept seeing in him at the first two PC is that he looks deeper in thought than he does scared, or anything else), his thoughts keeps working at him, who knows what is going on at home. Things have to be tense.

We are busy learning about the family, listening to TH friend talk, fliers go out to pin down people at school, confirm time lines, maybe trying to get a witness of a hand off by Terri, apply pressure to her, etc...

Last weekend:
We are wondering why DY would say after three weeks that she didn't think he would be gone this long. Maybe Kaine has told her his thoughts and she believes he is not harmed and has not been abducted. They have been told the second LDT didn't do any better.

There is a sighting, maybe in Vermont, a tape is made. It makes it's way through LE, everyone feels there is a good possibility so it keeps moving to Portland LE. They decide to show it to at least Kaine. He sees his son. Maybe he thinks he knows the people he is with on the tape. Maybe things had been building (that second test the weekend before) so he decides to move out on Friday, so that is the date listed on the papers, he makes video with bio mom, he has left his wife's camp. He is shown the tape. Now he is pissed and has proof. He begins to move out. Terri doesn't know until that moment that he is doing so. He is planning on filing the RO, and says he is taking the baby. Maybe he even says what he knows. She freaks out. 911 calls, etc... He moves, takes baby.

Papers are filed. Statements are made. TH is out, the three are clearly bonded, things have changed. They pretty much say, we know, let LE do what they need to do. Screw Terri ( my words, not theirs).

Terri gets the RO sees the info that gives the judge reason to grant it, feels she will be charged with child endangerment (what else could they charge her with if all they know is that she knows the couple seen in the video?) She gets a lawyer.

They know Kyron is alive, but not where. They need the press to promise to be quiet to keep Kyron safe, so the tell them some of the info today, for those that have promised.

Again today, in this video, even more so, Kaine looks mad, and uptight, but not worried or sad.

The oddness people see in the three way hug is they know it is not directly his fault and he is doing all he can, but if he hadn't brought this woman into his life, or whatever, this wouldn't have happened, so kinda are not very happy with him in that way. Lots of guilt being felt by all.

Pings on island are said to be facts, but no named sources. I call BS.

They had already searched the truck twice, there was nothing to find, nothing happened in it. No reason to keep it from being towed with the starter really did go out, it happens. No lie there.

How would she have planned to get away with it? At a planned time, they drop off Kyron in a safe place, police, hospital, whatever. They are gone. He is seven, what could he tell them? False names? Maybe a blue car a big one, four doors. I don't know where we went. They told me mom wanted me to go with them, that mom and dad knew where I was ....

Many of had suspicions about the reason for so much attention to his glasses. Some feel they could have found them, or they were delivered to them as a message. If he didn't have them, he would be able to tell the police even less.

I know this is out there, but so is everything that happened today. There is a gap or two in my idea, but over all, what do you have that is better?

Besides, my version has a pretty happy ending, considering other possibilities. I think I will hang on to that :crazy:

PS. Motive, to show Kaine what it feels like to lose his child, like she did James, or something.

 

[Curious Me]

I know I would want to send messages to whoever abducted my child and is holding him someplace. I'd want to let the abductor know (1) my son would have an allergic reaction if bitten by a bee (2) my son will get a red mark on his forehead if upset (3) he can't see without glasses and may need your help. I could understand today's announcement that Kyron is alive, and how that info fits with a sighting, and their announcement.

I'm almost too weirded out by implications for four weeks to have a huge amount of hope.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

Any video I have seen is only DY. Is there a link to video of DY's plea which also includes footage of Kaine and TY?


ETA: Nvm, I found it.

 

[SacreBleu]

IMHO, Kaine looks to me in this PC as if he is doing all he can to keep from breaking down. I felt the hug between Desiree and Tony was unscripted, they saw Kaine standing there looking lost and alone, and naturally included him in their circle of support. Again, just my take on the video.

ETA: My heart goes out to all of them...

 

[Steely Dan]

My thoughts and humble opinion and my opinion only and all that jazz:

I think TH did not pass the lie detector test that Saturday.
I think that Saturday KH was told by LE that TH failed the test.
Saturday KH confronted TH on failing the test and things went awry. Things were said that indicated to KH that TH was not being truthful and had a hand in our sweet Kyron's disappearance.
I think Desiree and KH want to believe he is alive.
I can only hope he is alive. And oh do I hope. I don't know that is the case. If the above scenario were true and perhaps TH knows where Kyron is, why wouldn't, at this point, the point where she was served with divorce papers and media has run amuck with speculation about her, and she is alone, she now return him and be the "hero?" (I only say hero because I feel like that is how she would see it through her eyes).

I've always found TH's story to be hinky from the get go.

 

[nurseratchett]

:
... Desiree is a nurse

snipped for brevity

I have seen this posted many times, but have never seen it in articles anywhere. Where is the info that Desiree is a nurse coming from? She is not licensed in the state of Oregon as an RN/LPN or CNA. Just wondering if anyone has a link????
TIA :waitasec:

 

[CharlestonGal]

I don't think Desiree's comment that Kyron is still alive means anything. LE says they don't know anything to the contrary, but on the other hand they haven't said they know anything that supports it, either.

While it's true that Kyron is either alive or Kyron is dead, Desiree's belief that he is alive changes nothing about actual reality of Kyron's current state. In other words, Desiree's belief that Kyron is alive doesn't make Kyron anymore alive or dead than he actually is. It changes nothing.

 

[raeann]

Well, there is one scenario that allows all the pieces to fit---that LE has been using TH as the scapegoat to take the heat and hopefully make the 'real' abductor slip up by feeling overly confident. That would make sense in terms of LE saying all family was cooperating, and in saying that TH was in favor of putting out the school questionnaire. It would also make sense of the whole divorce thing happening in the middle of this for two reasons....either as part of the act, or if TH had finally had enough and said I'm not doing this anymore, I'm being burned at the stake and it has not resulted in finding Kyron. This would then fit in with DY "imploring" TH to cooperate with investigators.

Just a theory....as I still want to see Kyron come home....and want to believe that TH could still possibly be a good person, even a hero, in all of this.

jmo

 

[AbbieNormal]

Haven't read every single post on this thread yet, so if this was already mentioned, please forgive.

Last night on NG Marc Klass said he know parents whose kids have been missing 20 years and they still believe their child (by now an adult) is out there alive somewhere. He says some families just do do give up hope or give into speculation that after so much time their child is most certainly dead.

I think Kaine, Desiree and Tony are well versed on the statistical probability of Kyrons being alive or not. I think they find comfort in believing that he is still alive out there. I personally find that thought ridiculous, because if he is alive, who is feeding him, sheltering him? Anyone doing that would most certainly know he is missing and would of course be a big-time accessory to the fact. Kyron is obviously not wandering Sauvie Island or anywhere else alive and looking for home, its been a month, lets face reality here.

Maybe if they publicly stated they knew he was, or suspected he was, dead they fear the public would stop looking for him. I dunno. I certainly think those poor 3 people have the right to believe anything they want to believe, whatever helps them get trough each day.

 

[For The Kids]

I know this is a nitpick that may elicit the throwing of fruit, but do the hugs by the three parents feel staged? I know they're united to find their son, but each time they've hugged, it's felt like they were chewing the scenery for the camera, very posed.

I ask myself why they'd be doing this, and perhaps it's to make Terri feel like an outsider and want to be brought back into the fold, but that seems almost ludicrous now that Kaine's hired a lawyer, filed for divorce, taken baby K, filed for a RO, Desiree has unofficially confirmed Terri is LE's POI (or whatever semantics you want to put on it, etc.). At this point, she can't be any more outside the fold. Would she really risk confessing to a murder to be brought back in? Is she that dumb?

Or am I totally alone in feeling like the hugs are staged? Well, the first man-hug between Tony and Kaine felt more real, but especially at today's press conference, it felt extremely forced. Eh, I'm rambling.

To me the hugs looked very genuine. She didnt recoil in the way she did with Terri.

 

[nursebeeme]

I have written extensively for two Portland newspapers over the past decade or so, although never in the News department (think entertainment, sports, lifestyle, etc.), and certainly never on anything of Kyron's magnitude.

Given my admittedly limited experience, though, what puzzles me about today's "press conference" is why they solicited questions from the media, yet appear to have disregarded every question. They seem to have had a prepared statement they were intent on reading, so why bother with the abortive Q&A procedure? Furthermore, since the content of the entire event was merely a 90 second recitation, why would it matter to them if the O or the WW were present? There was nothing "major" to report (i.e. the transcript of the statement is available on every news site), and by extension, very little to "misreport."

The most important follow-up question would obviously be whether they KNOW Kyron is alive, as intimated, or whether the opening sentence ought to be rephrased. With LE's blessing, the family has stated that Kyron is alive. There is a measure of responsibility, it seems to me, to clarify this "official statement." Typically, this responsibility would fall on the media (could you imagine if they misreported this critical distinction?), but since they didn't take questions, the family and LE seem reckless in releasing and signing off on this explosive statement.

bumping this up and ITA!