2010.07.01-Family/ LE Presume Kyron Is Alive~ Need SM To Cooperate UPDATED 2010.07.03

[Kat]

Hi All,
I live in Oregon and have been reading some of the most scrutinized posts for a public forum. I was extremely impressed with all the thought and work those members have contributed. I also know that you all have been sticking as close to the facts as possible. In some cases though the facts are not always what they seem. The media and public keep saying that T Horman has not been named as a person of interest. That is true but the law does not require a suspect to be made public during an investigation. With the actions of the immediate family and T Homan herself it is obvious who the LE is paying the most attention to. There have been reports that there has been untruthfulness among certain persons or a person since Kyron’s disappearance. This is interesting because I see a group effort toward mixing up what is fact and what isn’t. The Multnomah County Sheriff Dept claimed that the Horman truck had been towed for mechanical reasons and not because of the investigation. Recently T Horman’s father made a public statement that the truck had been towed twice by the Multnomah County Sheriff Dept. The latest information by the Sheriff Dept has been by Officer Staton that Kyron is alive. This is a quote from Officer Staton; "We have no evidence that indicates anything other than the fact that Kyron is still alive and we are going to continue the investigation under that premise," Staton said. Dan Staton also said that the investigation has been "scaled down" since it began on June 4. Officer Staton does mention that the investigation has an estimated cost of approximately $300,000. Here is a link to the interview transcripts.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html
It is appearing like the LE doesn’t have enough evidence to further the steam like the earlier investigation. The finances and human effort is beginning to be shaved back. T Homan has been in seclusion after being excluded by her husband. T Horman also has a criminal attorney and is readying for that impending event that doesn’t escape most people’s thought and minds. This investigation is bizarre and information has been withheld to the point of contradiction. Enough said…

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[TrialAddict]

....other than the fact that Kyron (Horman) is still alive,..
BBM
The word " fact " is what stands out to me. Do they have evidence that says he is still alive?

 

[PickieChickie]

well ONE family member just paid out the wazoo for a high powered attorney. And those don't come CHEAP, if ya know what I mean.

Unless the family member was approached by the high powered attorney who is anticipating this individual will be taken to trial thus putting them (the attorney) into the spotlight. Perhaps there was no money involved at all but simply an opportunistic attorney wishing to further their career because of all the media attention such a trail will surely draw.

 

[RubyRed]

http://photos.oregonlive.com/photogallery/2010/07/missing_kyron_horman.html

 

[RubyRed]

....other than the fact that Kyron (Horman) is still alive,..
BBM
The word " fact " is what stands out to me. Do they have evidence that says he is still alive?

I am wondering why the pic was released with Kyron with blonde hair.

 

[Calliope]

I am wondering why the pic was released with Kyron with blonde hair.

Thinking he IS being held somewhere?

 

[Mylou]

I am wondering why the pic was released with Kyron with blonde hair.

If he is alive, he probably would be disguised somehow from his natural look. Like that girl that they just found, her hair had been cut , and her clothes had been changed.

 

[shefner]

I am wondering why the pic was released with Kyron with blonde hair.

They truly must believe Kyron is alive and someone has perhaps altered his appearance. I'm so confused....

 

[redkatrampant]

....other than the fact that Kyron (Horman) is still alive,..
BBM
The word " fact " is what stands out to me. Do they have evidence that says he is still alive?

The way this case has gone, I don't think LE would actually tell us. I think we will get any new info just like we have, in little snippets here and there. Some of the media will probably grasp at straws and work whatever info sources may give them.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I am wondering why the pic was released with Kyron with blonde hair.

Did LE release the picture?He might just have dark hair also.

 

[RubyRed]

They truly must believe Kyron is alive and someone has perhaps altered his appearance. I'm so confused....

That must be what they think. His appearance is altered, so they release a pic of him with blonde hair.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't want to start another whole thing about if he is "being held" or something like that except to say that I just don't get it. I'm not seeing where anyone would benefit from "holding" Kyron at this point. I don't believe this was ever about a reward as it took a while for one to be offered and it is not enough to risk this kind of action, IMO.

No, I have never seen the "holding Kyron someplace" theory as very realistic. IMO, he was either taken by a stranger for nefarious purposes or was accidently killed by a parent. But obviously, this case is unlike any other I can think of, so I will respecfully admit that I know nothing more than my own "gut feelings."

And I think the blond-haired photo is just another way to show how Kyron could look, nothing more.

 

[RubyRed]

Thinking he IS being held somewhere?

That would be the best case scenario. It just doesn't seem likely.

 

[shefner]

I don't want to start another whole thing about if he is "being held" or something like that except to say that I just don't get it. I'm not seeing where anyone would benefit from "holding" Kyron at this point. I don't believe this was ever about a reward as it took a while for one to be offered and it is not enough to risk this kind of action, IMO.

No, I have never seen the "holding Kyron someplace" theory as very realistic. IMO, he was either taken by a stranger for nefarious purposes or was accidently killed by a parent. But obviously, this case is unlike any other I can think of, so I will respecfully admit that I know nothing more than my own "gut feelings."

And I think the blond-haired photo is just another way to show how Kyron could look, nothing more.

I can see what you're saying...but I don't believe a parent "accidently" killed him. Not considering the way he disappeared. If a parent killed him, it was planned, just my opinion though.

 

[Boo Scout]

I don't want to start another whole thing about if he is "being held" or something like that except to say that I just don't get it. I'm not seeing where anyone would benefit from "holding" Kyron at this point. I don't believe this was ever about a reward as it took a while for one to be offered and it is not enough to risk this kind of action, IMO.

No, I have never seen the "holding Kyron someplace" theory as very realistic. IMO, he was either taken by a stranger for nefarious purposes or was accidently killed by a parent. But obviously, this case is unlike any other I can think of, so I will respecfully admit that I know nothing more than my own "gut feelings."

And I think the blond-haired photo is just another way to show how Kyron could look, nothing more.

Not disagreeing with you per se...but here are two possibilities:

1. Stranger abduction and being held by abductor for the abductor's own nefarious purposes, but those purposes have not yet resulted in Kyron's death (shudder as I write).

2. Sold, and being held by buyer for buyer's own nefarious purposes, again not resulting in death.

Not saying either is likely, but given how little is truly known, they are possibilities even if they're not probabilities.

All moo.

 

[eyes4crime]

Pretty clear that Desiree, Tony, and Kaine are sure Kyron is being kept by someone, somewhere. Desiree has said....'we never thought it would go on this long'...we expected him to be back by now'...statements indicating Terri is punishing them and Kyron will be back. Pleading with Terri to cooperate.

They think Terri has Kyron or gave him to someone...how long will this thinking consume them? I know Tony is a LE detective but at some point they need to consider other possibilities. This has gone on too long. moo mho and all that stuff.

 

[Paintr]

Pretty clear that Desiree, Tony, and Kaine are sure Kyron is being kept by someone, somewhere. Desiree has said....'we never thought it would go on this long'...we expected him to be back by now'...statements indicating Terri is punishing them and Kyron will be back. Pleading with Terri to cooperate.

They think Terri has Kyron or gave him to someone...how long will this thinking consume them? I know Tony is a LE detective but at some point they need to consider other possibilities. This has gone on too long. moo mho and all that stuff.

For whatever their personal reasons, these three banded together and decided that Terri wasn't co operating and said so to the media. They have the right to their opinion and can voice it to the world, which they did. I have no problem with that.

I do, however, have a problem believing that LE is writing their script and sending them out there.

FWIW...I asked two LE in my own family last night if they had ever done this or knew of it being done when a child was missing. They both laughed and stated that the hardest part was getting people not to talk to the media. It is the first bit of advice they give. They do not get involved in the family's problems. Their first concern is the victim/child. They try to deal kindly with the family and update them on searches, ect but do not reveal details or LE's opinion on the perp. (Now I must add that this is Canadian LE and maybe different than LE in the US.)

 

[cluciano63]

I agree, Eyes, that I felt they thought that earlier...but the press conference on Tuesday night made me think otherwise...Desiree said that she thought Kyron was alive because no one could prove otherwise...that is not exactly a ringing endorsement. I think that Tony or LE or both have begun to prepare her for the worst but she is not there yet and rightfully so, it is far too soon for any mother to give up hope. But I also think that any feelings they have of Kyron being held someplace are not based on anything from LE, just their hearts needing to think that. And there is no saying they could not be right...but I would be very shocked, though in a good way of course.

 

[Haeve]

I waffle back and forth on this every day. Yes TH, according to what little information we have to go on (alleged MFH scheme notwithstanding) seems to be acting awfully strange. But despite our armchair psych profiling (I for one say she likely has NPD), I'm having trouble seeing her as someone who could kill someone else. (Hire someone to do the killing, yes, but not do the deed herself. And despite the MFH scheme, I'm also having trouble imagining her ordering a hit on a child.) So I'm trying to figure out how stashing Kyron with someone would make sense. It doesn't, but I'm still willing to entertain that theory.

I wonder if collectively, in general it's way too hard to wrap our brains around a mother killing her child. Yes there are obviously unfortunately far too many cases of mothers (bio-, step-, adoptive-, foster-, etc.) harming their children. But it is always shocking. It undermines our basic faith in humanity each time a mother harms a child. The whole fabric of society seems threatened. Yes, if she had anything to do with hiding him alive somewhere, it would be evil, but it's far better than imagining she murdered him.

Any sociologists in the house?

 

[Etilema]

I have been considering this question ever since they first said things about him being alive, and here's what has come to me as the explanation. (1) They have strong reason to believe that TH was involved in Kyron's disappearance, due to polygraphs and perhaps circumstantial evidence that LE has uncovered, yet (2) perhaps (speculating) there is no physical evidence to suggest that Kyron has been killed--no blood or signs or struggle found in the truck, or any such evidence on TH's clothing, shoes, or person, no weapons found, etc. Perhaps also the timeline doesn't allow for it? Maybe putting these facts together--that she did *something* with him, but there is no evidence to suggest he has been killed--leads them to the conclusion that she either hid him somewhere or handed him off to someone?

At today's press conference, KH mentioned the idea that he could have been several states away by the time he was reported missing, which of course must mean he thinks someone else was involved, taking Kyron somewhere.

ETA: This, of course, would not rule out the possibility that the presumed accomplice could have harmed him, heaven forbid. But it at least leaves the possibility open that he is alive. Perhaps the person that KH & DY have in mind as the accomplice does not seem to be someone who would kill a child?