2010.07.26 - Kyron Horman case featured on Dateline

[SmoothOperator]

dunno...the way krisy posted it made more sense to me..that kaine was told she tried to hire someone to kill him six months ago..not that he was told about it 6 months ago.

Jmo

^^this is correct^^^^

kh said that 6 months prior to kyron disappearing 'someone' told him th was trying to get a hitman.

^^^^this is not correct^^^^

 

[mydailyopinions]

I don't think Desiree needed to talk about the fact Kaine cheated on her. I mean, I am very sympathetic to DY, but why talk about these intimate details? How will that help bring Kyron home?? It just makes her look more like a victim (which she is) and keeps painting both Kaine and Terri as the bad guys. But why then did she trust her precious child with them??

I personally think that it shows she has nothing to hide, and could care less what part of her life the public knows about as long as it brings her son home.

People don't understand why Kaine had custody and how the relationship with Terri started. This is something that I firmly feel needed to be said. Also, just in the way the two of them appeared together from the start of this, they both have shown that they have done what they needed to do for the sake of Kyron.
She trusted her child with them because Kaine is his father. From what I can tell, Kaine seemed to be a good father to his son.. Terri on the other hand...who knows what was going on away from Kaine? Who knows what Kyron may have been threatened with if he told his dad how Terri was to him? I'm not saying that happened, but it is typical in these situations..
We have to remember that he is only 7 years old and can be manipulated into keeping many things from his parents...maybe the reason he wanted to stay with D ?
I think this child has suffered tremendously..

 

[Soulmagent]

My assumption on this only..
When a teacher takes a photo of my children at school, the only way she can publish those photos is with my written permission..I actually have to sign a form for it..
I would assume it is the same way for Terri to sell photos of Kyron considering she has NO legal rights to give anyone permission to do anything with a photo of Kyron regardless of if she took them or not.
Terri Horman could not claim rights to photos of Kyron period. IMHO..

I think that as a legal stepparent she does have rights. It is different in every state but a perfect example is in VA you can be awarded costudy of your step children.

 

[Sherbie]

Unpopular opinion ahead, but if Terri had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance and assumed he'd wandered off or that there had been a mix-up but he would be found quickly, then it might make sense for Terri to wonder why Desiree would rush to Portland. This attitude actually supports the notion that Terri is innocent, IMHO, because she didn't automatically jump to worst case scenario, which she would've done if she'd known he was dead.

What if Kyron's visits to Desiree's weren't as frequent as we're being led to believe, and what if Desiree and Tony weren't quite as involved in Kyron's life as many assume. It might explain why Terri may have been surprised that Desiree would suddenly drop everything, especially if that wasn't her usual MO when dealing with Kyron.

I have to disagree. I can't imagine being told my child was missing and not getting there as quickly as humanly possible. I wouldn't wait around to find out whether it was the worst case scenario before going.

I can't believe anyone would get a call like that and not move like lightning to get there. To me, Terri's reluctance for Desiree to come could just as easily (and to me, more likely) have been because it would make things more difficult for her.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Seriously, I just think that TH is evil. I think she has been manipulating Kaine for 7 years. Makes me sick. Man are so stupid. Leave someone like DY for TH??? Honestly... Narcissistics are dangerous. Stay away from them people!

 

[goatman]

I personally think that it shows she has nothing to hide, and could care less what part of her life the public knows about as long as it brings her son home.

People don't understand why Kaine had custody and how the relationship with Terri started. This is something that I firmly feel needed to be said. Also, just in the way the two of them appeared together from the start of this, they both have shown that they have done what they needed to do for the sake of Kyron.
She trusted her child with them because Kaine is his father. From what I can tell, Kaine seemed to be a good father to his son.. Terri on the other hand...who knows what was going on away from Kaine? Who knows what Kyron may have been threatened with if he told his dad how Terri was to him? I'm not saying that happened, but it is typical in these situations..
We have to remember that he is only 7 years old and can be manipulated into keeping many things from his parents...maybe the reason he wanted to stay with D ?
I think this child has suffered tremendously..

I think it needs to be said that KH and DY do not have the same story here...ergo someone is lying, is KH ashamed? That's a possibility. Is DY confused, maybe? But for people who seem pretty darn adamant that TH is a consummate liar, I find it odd that one of them would lie about something this (in retrospect) unimportant.

 

[Sherbie]

Okay, sorry bout that.....I apologize to anyone that I upset or ticked off.

You didn't upset anyone...don't worry about it. :hug:

 

[Cajun Girl]

I heard Kyron's voice...that wonderful, tiny, loving voice. The rest of this (he said/she said) seems to be drowned out by that quietly beautiful voice.

Would donate another hour of listening to information am very familiar with to keep your face across America and to hear that precious voice.

Where are you little angel? God bless you, Kyron and God bless all those who love you.

 

[mydailyopinions]

Unpopular opinion ahead, but if Terri had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance and assumed he'd wandered off or that there had been a mix-up but he would be found quickly, then it might make sense for Terri to wonder why Desiree would rush to Portland. This attitude actually supports the notion that Terri is innocent, IMHO, because she didn't automatically jump to worst case scenario, which she would've done if she'd known he was dead.

What if Kyron's visits to Desiree's weren't as frequent as we're being led to believe, and what if Desiree and Tony weren't quite as involved in Kyron's life as many assume. It might explain why Terri may have been surprised that Desiree would suddenly drop everything, especially if that wasn't her usual MO when dealing with Kyron.

Even if she had assumed that he'd wandered off..why would she think his mother would still not rush out to them? I'm lost with that one.. As a mother, if I yell out the door to my son and he is not within sight in 10 seconds, I immediately go out screaming and looking.. (He is 13 by the way)

I don't for one second think that D and Kaine are lying about his visits with his mother.

 

[Steely Dan]

Unpopular opinion ahead, but if Terri had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance and assumed he'd wandered off or that there had been a mix-up but he would be found quickly, then it might make sense for Terri to wonder why Desiree would rush to Portland. This attitude actually supports the notion that Terri is innocent, IMHO, because she didn't automatically jump to worst case scenario, which she would've done if she'd known he was dead.

What if Kyron's visits to Desiree's weren't as frequent as we're being led to believe, and what if Desiree and Tony weren't quite as involved in Kyron's life as many assume. It might explain why Terri may have been surprised that Desiree would suddenly drop everything, especially if that wasn't her usual MO when dealing with Kyron.

I have to disagree. I can't imagine being told my child was missing and not getting there as quickly as humanly possible. I wouldn't wait around to find out whether it was the worst case scenario before going.

I can't believe anyone would get a call like that and not move like lightning to get there. To me, Terri's reluctance for Desiree to come could just as easily (and to me, more likely) have been because it would make things more difficult for her.

What she said. :thumb:

DY also made it very clear that she asked if TH was there, and then called TH on her cell phone. Why didn't she ask if KH was there...and call him on his cell phone (whether or not he was there)?

That, if anything else, seems odd to me, considering how DY has maintained her dislike of TH-but she calls TH and not KH during this crisis? (not bashing, just curious).

That stood out to me as well. :waitasec: I'm glad somebody else noticed that too.

 

[mydailyopinions]

I think it needs to be said that KH and DY do not have the same story here...ergo someone is lying, is KH ashamed? That's a possibility. Is DY confused, maybe? But for people who seem pretty darn adamant that TH is a consummate liar, I find it odd that one of them would lie about something this (in retrospect) unimportant.

What part of the story isn't the same between them? Maybe I am lost here..:waitasec:

 

[AvalonBlue]

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07...te-clarifying-stepmoms-entry-into-the-family/



Was this info discussed here previously? I was still thinking that the other story was true (that they had been friends, that TH moved in with KH to "help take care of Kyron"). How bizarre that such a detailed, specific story would have been floated by TH. Goes to what DY said about the ongoing lying habit, perhaps. JMO

Yes, Etilema, this info has been discussed on WS on several different threads. I believe BeanE has it all collected very nicely in the timeline on the main page for Ky.

UNTIL DY specifically said in one of her interviews with Kaine that she and Terri were NOT friends, the "bizarre" and "detailed, specific story" you mention was perceived to be true for quite a while after it was first published in The Oregonian on, I believe the second Saturday Ky was missing. It sounded fishy to me from the beginning. Just sayin'...

I'm so glad the truth has been coming out about DY and TH, especially because I felt DY was getting a bum rap for a long time because of being reported to "be long term friends" with someone like Terri.

There are facts, links to back all this up right on our website.

And, please know that my disdain for TH is MOO and that I've had that opinion about her for a long time. There has never really been a fence for me to sit on -- although I have :banghead: a LOT over this and other erroneous info repeated and repeated in this case.

 

[Sherbie]

DY also made it very clear that she asked if TH was there, and then called TH on her cell phone. Why didn't she ask if KH was there...and call him on his cell phone (whether or not he was there)?

That, if anything else, seems odd to me, considering how DY has maintained her dislike of TH-but she calls TH and not KH during this crisis? (not bashing, just curious).

Given the time of day, she might've assumed that Kaine was at work, and I am guessing Terri was the one who normally dealt with the school issues and would've been the one to discover he wasn't on the bus and head straight to the school.

 

[grandmaj]

The facts are going to come out. Better that they come out of the mouths of the parents than to have it tabloidish. IMO it puts it takes some of the wind out of the sails of these rumors.

 

[goatman]

What part of the story isn't the same between them? Maybe I am lost here..:waitasec:

DY said that they got together while she was 8 months pregnant (basically he cheated)

KH said that they were already broken up and just living in the same house when he started his relationship w/ TH.

(above is paraphrased)

 

[grandmaj]

I think it needs to be said that KH and DY do not have the same story here...ergo someone is lying, is KH ashamed? That's a possibility. Is DY confused, maybe? But for people who seem pretty darn adamant that TH is a consummate liar, I find it odd that one of them would lie about something this (in retrospect) unimportant.

I don't see it as lying. I see it as viewing what happened through different eyes. They are coming at this from a different view point.

 

[Adalena935]

I personally think that it shows she has nothing to hide, and could care less what part of her life the public knows about as long as it brings her son home.

People don't understand why Kaine had custody and how the relationship with Terri started. This is something that I firmly feel needed to be said. Also, just in the way the two of them appeared together from the start of this, they both have shown that they have done what they needed to do for the sake of Kyron.
She trusted her child with them because Kaine is his father. From what I can tell, Kaine seemed to be a good father to his son.. Terri on the other hand...who knows what was going on away from Kaine? Who knows what Kyron may have been threatened with if he told his dad how Terri was to him? I'm not saying that happened, but it is typical in these situations..
We have to remember that he is only 7 years old and can be manipulated into keeping many things from his parents...maybe the reason he wanted to stay with D ?
I think this child has suffered tremendously..

I have thought that for a long time also; that Kyron has suffered tremendously. I read in one news article that his Mother said he would cry and beg to come live with she and his step-Father in the time before he vanished.

Nobody just wakes up one day and decides to commit such a terrible crime against a small child (kidnapping at least). This has been a pattern ongoing for some time I believe. I'm glad some of these things were gone over during the Dateline show. I lost the links to a lot of what I've read about the case. A lot of people think it's not important if the parents or others say things but it is direct evidence; the state calls them witnesses.

 

[goatman]

Given the time of day, she might've assumed that Kaine was at work, and I am guessing Terri was the one who normally dealt with the school issues and would've been the one to discover he wasn't on the bus and head straight to the school.

Right, but their son is missing...who cares whether or not Kaine is at work? Wouldn't you want to be talking to him, especially if you feel that it is important enough for you to drive 5 or so hours and you really don't like his wife?

 

[kathryann]

Seriously, I just think that TH is evil. I think she has been manipulating Kaine for 7 years. Makes me sick. Man are so stupid. Leave someone like DY for TH??? Honestly... Narcissistics are dangerous. Stay away from them people!

I agree, I know the feeling Desiree had, my ex-husband took off with a woman who was attractive, but wanted her boyfriend to live with them too, he was so caught up in her that he let the guy move in with them (sort of sounds like TH). I agree with you, there is something about TH that enables her to manipulate tons of people. There is a website about sociopaths, and honestly she fits the bill. They totally suck people into their lives. Intelligent, loving, kind people are taken advantage of all the time.

 

[cypress]

I have to disagree. I can't imagine being told my child was missing and not getting there as quickly as humanly possible. I wouldn't wait around to find out whether it was the worst case scenario before going.

I can't believe anyone would get a call like that and not move like lightning to get there. To me, Terri's reluctance for Desiree to come could just as easily (and to me, more likely) have been because it would make things more difficult for her.

This is one of those times for me, that if Terri is guilty, she is both too cunning and too stupid for words, and I don't mean that as a flippant slam. I mean that literally. She planned this rather elaborate abduction and probably a murder as well, carried it out rather successfully thus far, but didn't envision that Desiree would come to Portland upon hearing her son was missing? It's just a little off, IMHO.

Also, what constitutes surprised? What is DY's interpretation of TH being surprised? Did Terri ask something along the lines of, "You're coming right now?" Is that the smoking gun with regard to this aspect of the case? The more and more this case relies on the nitpicks, the more and more concerned I become about the direction.

I don't want to delve into the rumor mill, but it's entirely possible that Desiree wasn't quite as involved in Kyron's life as we're being led to believe, and that Terri was simply surprised, in that moment, that she'd drop everything and come straight to Portland. I have little linkable evidence to back up the aforementioned opinion, but I will say that Kyron received a fishing pole for Christmas and TY said he'd been planning to finally take Kyron on fishing trip so he could use his new fishing pole. If you're actively involved in your stepson's life, six months is a long time to wait to take a little boy fishing to use his Christmas present. If Terri was in TY's position, she'd be crucified for how inattentive she was of him and how she didn't care enough to take him fishing so he could use his Christmas present.

I'll just go ahead and duck the tomatoes.