2010.07.31 - Why are they searching DDS' relatives' properties?

[Etilema]

Thanks wondering, for the explanation! So can you have more than one account? I was thinking that she left that one up because nothing would be going on with it because she had another one. Also maybe LE told her to leave it open, as you say, because they are monitoring it 24/7 and would know even if she tried to get a crypted message out. But then there's nothing stopping either her or Terri from getting disposable phones, huh? So they could talk that way or use the old geezer's way of doing it and talk by pay phone! LOL

Right now it just seems that a ton of people are using it to try to convince her to cooperate with LE and give information on the case.

 

[angelmom]

There is something else that is bugging me about DDS. Whenever a person is named in a case, they hide their social network accounts. Why is her Twitter still open, I wonder? Something is very hinky here.

Because there's nothing there to worry about. But her blog might have had more personal stuff that could lead sleuthers to identify her kids, boss, etc.

If I were in the middle of this mess, I'd pull my blog and my fb account b/c they have stuff about my hobbies, friends, kids, etc., but my twitter is mostly re-tweets of stuff I find interesting and generic comments that wouldn't lead anyone to my family or home.

wow..it also says TH looked "overweight and slovenly" at the early news conferences. Yikes, is that considered a *fact* now.

Nice. And we wonder why she's staying out of the press.



RE: Kaine's version of how often DS and TH saw each other...I'll have to go back and look, but didn't he say she was at their house about every 6 months? Not that that's how often they saw each other? B/c if they saw each other at the gym or school or wherever daily, they might not go to the house much at all. I definitely have friends like that whom I'd consider very close.

 

[wenwe4]

I'd be outraged if we found out that they didn't search everyone they know since DD was away and unreachable for the exact same amount of time that Terri was supposedly driving rural roads. Unless those two met at the gym, it's beyond suspicious, but doesn't seem to be a very well executed plan as the family believes. I can't believe that a girlfriend would help Terri hide a little child's body, but might help hide him if she were convinced some sort of abuse was going on and that she's helping to save him. I wonder if any of Terri or DD know a psychologist or former social worker that Kyron might have been taken to. Someone way out there mentally who had questioned him and had been convinced to help. This could be the "doctor" appointment.

That's the only thing I can think of, too. And it would kind of explain her demeanor, as well. If she think she's absolutely got the goods on someone else in the family and is about to throw them under the bus, her attitude might be like, here it comes a**hole.

It could also explain why she would need immunity before she testifies (other than the obvious reason she would have if she actually helped to harm Kyron). If she helped take him, it would still be a crime, but not so serious a crime, maybe, that LE wouldn't consider immunity? Especially if her motives were to protect a child rather than harm him.

idk, seems so far fetched, but who the heck knows in this case. To me, her tweet account seems to support this theory in some ways. But only if you think it's possible that there was a WHOLE lot going on behind the scenes and some people who were willing to involve themselves in such a thing at a very extraordinary level. But, again, who knows. TH and DDS seem to have been quite *extraordinary* imo. jmoo/omoo

BBM
I haven't finished this whole thread but felt compelled to respond to the above posts.

1) Any psychologist or social worker interviewing a child is a mandated reporter of Child Abuse and Neglect. If not reported, the professional could lose licensure for not protecting a child. That means contacting Child Protective Services and then letting CPS do their job of investigating and deciding if this child is safe in the family home.
2) No professional (that I know or have heard of) would help hide a child from their parents, (except if there is a restraining order signed by a court/or in moment of imminent harm/death).
3) Kyron had told his Mom that he wanted to live with her and he had cried on a few occassions when he had to return to his Father's and TH's home (according to DY). If in fact a psychologist or social worker spoke w/Kyron - he would no doubt tell them of his wishes (if TH was not around) to be with his Mom either more often or fulltime. True professionals know to interview the child with the parent out of the room for this very reason (to allow the child to say whatever they need to without fear of reprisal from the parent).

 

[ThoughtFox]

This is driving me crazy for some reason. What is going on here? I'm so dang clueless and usually I have SOME theory, even if it's out there!!!

I can think of several scenarios.

They are checking for other gardening tools with possible evidence on them.

They are checking storage sheds for Kyron.

They wonder if she has Kyron or his remains hidden on a relative's property.

ETA: And I take "property" to mean actual land and property, which is how the word is usually used by the media.

Anyone else completely weirded out by the relationship between those two? Don't normal couples who live together (not just spouses) ask about how their day went and at least go into some detail? I mean, don't we generally know what goes on from day to day in the lives of our significant others? I am drawn to a few conclusions pretty quickly:

1) TH could have been extremely secretive about her activities.

2) That secrecy could have been made all the easier by KH's obliviousness, limited capacity for empathy, limited social skills, etc.

Obviously KH is a victim here and he's suffering, but I do wonder why he's having these revelations about her character now (after the fact) and yet he trusted her enough to care for his son.

Obviously Terri was secretive - I don't see much normal there. Kaine just thought things were normal.

When one partner weirds out, the other is usually in the dark until something happens. In this case something big happened.

 

[sweets]

Hi Peeps,
I haven't read all the way through yet but could it have anything to do with the Dames guy RV. IIRC he said he could be found about 10 mi. south of the school, and according to something I read that would put this in the area of Cain Park. And further I also read this property was owned by DS and/or family. However, I don't remember where I read it so I will say this is all JMO until I can find the links.

I don't post a lot just read but you guys are great!!! jmo

sweets

 

[Etilema]

BBM
I haven't finished this whole thread but felt compelled to respond to the above posts.

1) Any psychologist or social worker interviewing a child is a mandated reporter of Child Abuse and Neglect. If not reported, the professional could lose licensure for not protecting a child. That means contacting Child Protective Services and then letting CPS do their job of investigating and deciding if this child is safe in the family home.
2) No professional (that I know or have heard of) would help hide a child from their parents, (except if there is a restraining order signed by a court/or in moment of imminent harm/death).
3) Kyron had told his Mom that he wanted to live with her and he had cried on a few occassions when he had to return to his Father's and TH's home (according to DY). If in fact a psychologist or social worker spoke w/Kyron - he would no doubt tell them of his wishes (if TH was not around) to be with his Mom either more often or fulltime. True professionals know to interview the child with the parent out of the room for this very reason (to allow the child to say whatever they need to without fear of reprisal from the parent).

I think the idea being speculated about is a *deranged* social worker or mental health professional. They do exist, as in every walk of life. So it would be someone who felt they could and should break the normal rules of law and ethics because they knew better what should be done. Someone who perhaps could even be manipulated by TH telling them, "Yes, I asked him the questions that you said to, and he responded in this way," to get the reaction and help she wanted.

Although possible, I think this is a far-fetched idea.

JMO

 

[ThoughtFox]

My gut feeling is that it isn't a relative of DeDe's they are looking for, or even a deranged social worker (where did that idea come from?) but just evidence connecting Kyron to DeDe. Could be a piece of his clothing, his glasses, a shoelace - anything.

Maybe they think he was held there on her relative's property for a short time, then moved? Just speculating - I really have no idea.

 

[angelmom]

Okay, I still can't find the quote from Kaine about DS, but I did find an interesting comment on this article about "Who is DeDe Spicher?"

http://www.kgw.com/news/Who-is-DeDe-Spicher-99118324.html

It's the first comment right now 7/28/10 3:57 pm

Claims that DS's car never left the farm, nor did her cell. Surely LE would have looked into that, right?

 

[ThoughtFox]

Okay, I still can't find the quote from Kaine about DS, but I did find an interesting comment on this article about "Who is DeDe Spicher?"

http://www.kgw.com/news/Who-is-DeDe-Spicher-99118324.html

It's the first comment right now 7/28/10 3:57 pm

Claims that DS's car never left the farm, nor did her cell. Surely LE would have looked into that, right?

That's interesting - if that turns out to be true then the question becomes whether TH's cell phone pings possibly turned up near one the properties belonging to DeDe's family??? Did one of them live on those back roads where TH said she was driving around?

 

[angelmom]

I'd be outraged if we found out that they didn't search everyone they know since DD was away and unreachable for the exact same amount of time that Terri was supposedly driving rural roads. Unless those two met at the gym, it's beyond suspicious, but doesn't seem to be a very well executed plan as the family believes. I can't believe that a girlfriend would help Terri hide a little child's body, but might help hide him if she were convinced some sort of abuse was going on and that she's helping to save him. I wonder if any of Terri or DD know a psychologist or former social worker that Kyron might have been taken to. Someone way out there mentally who had questioned him and had been convinced to help. This could be the "doctor" appointment.

Wait. DS supposedly left the gardening job at 11:15. Terri checked into the gym at 11:39. So if DS went to the gym, they probably got there about the same time. That isn't a very long window of opportunity. How far away is the farm from the gym?

A commenter on a news article claims that DS's car was at the farm the whole time. If Terri picked her up at 11:15, they drove to the gym and checked in at 11:39, and then left at 12:40 and drove DS back to the farm, dropping her around 1, then drove home to be on fb by 1:21. That would explain why it took her awhile to get home, why DS's car was there but she wasn't, etc.

I wonder if DS checked into the gym around that same time and left at the same time.

The gym I used to go to was one of those 24 hour places, and they had several security cameras. I wonder if they had cameras and could check to see if both women were there or if it was definitely Terri who scanned in her card. I wonder if Baby K was checked into the nursery at that same time (surely this is easy to check and would have come out if not, right?). I wonder if Baby K is familiar enough with DS that she'd go happily with her to the gym while Terri drove away in the truck.

 

[cindysue]

Hi Peeps,
I haven't read all the way through yet but could it have anything to do with the Dames guy RV. IIRC he said he could be found about 10 mi. south of the school, and according to something I read that would put this in the area of Cain Park. And further I also read this property was owned by DS and/or family. However, I don't remember where I read it so I will say this is all JMO until I can find the links.

I don't post a lot just read but you guys are great!!! jmo

sweets

That would be freaky if it did...we have a thread about a remote viewer that said his body was 10 mins south on private property .

Quote from that thread: Dames said the missing boy is located on private property roughly 10 miles south of the school.

 

[Emeralgem]

Okay, I still can't find the quote from Kaine about DS, but I did find an interesting comment on this article about "Who is DeDe Spicher?"

http://www.kgw.com/news/Who-is-DeDe-Spicher-99118324.html

It's the first comment right now 7/28/10 3:57 pm

Claims that DS's car never left the farm, nor did her cell. Surely LE would have looked into that, right?

Or perhaps that person who is posting and claiming they have knowledge about DeDe's car and phone should be contacting LE instead of posting on that site...Wonder IF they have?
Better still...Maybe LE needs to look into ALL these bloggers who are posting on various sites defending DeDe and TMH claiming they have personal knowledge concerning the case...
IMHO..they need to come forward, identify themselves and talk to LE rather than just anonymously post information they claim they have...JMO

 

[kimE]

Interesting.
What I would like to know is who these "sources" are.
Could it be Kaine and Desiree feeding the media, again?

Is this Old news? Is this old news just reworded to make it sound like something new is happening so the media can stir the bucket of crap again and have a story to report?

I mean we already know about the other searches...are these new searches?

I really want to know who these sources are. I just can't believe anything anymore unless I hear it from LE.

 

[Kimmer]

Idk if this is what you mean, but at the presser on Friday (and other times to, I think) LE rattled off a big long list of other LE entities that are working in conjunction on the case. I think it was like 18 or 19

What I meant by my earlier post, Is that if they did get a supernova to search the home of TH Dad who is an active LE officer in another part of the State, I would love to know the probable cause they had to search his home.

 

[Baxter]

Interesting.
What I would like to know is who these "sources" are.
Could it be Kaine and Desiree feeding the media, again?

Is this Old news? Is this old news just reworded to make it sound like something new is happening so the media can stir the bucket of crap again and have a story to report?

I mean we already know about the other searches...are these new searches?

I really want to know who these sources are. I just can't believe anything anymore unless I hear it from LE.

I doubt you are going to hear anything from LE.

This is a new search of Dede's relatives.

Why would you think that DY and KH would be "feeding the media again"?

Did you read this link?

'KGW has learned that investigators have conducted several searches related to Speicher, including of property belonging to relatives of hers. They have also spoken with people who were in contact with her the day Kyron disappeared."


http://www.kgw.com/news/Reward-missing-Portland--Kyron-Horman-up-to-50000-99349594.html

 

[RoughlyCollie]

IMHO..they need to come forward, identify themselves and talk to LE rather than just anonymously post information they claim they have...JMO

I figure that LE has methods by which they can find most of them, and is already actively doing so. Those posts are tips, IMO, which could turn into leads.

 

[believe09]

There is more than just Kyron to think about...what about his back pack, clothing, medications if he was taking any...glasses.

 

[believe09]

I can envision a situation where friends of Terri's might have been asked to hold onto things...outside of the obvious, Kyron of course.

 

[ThoughtFox]

There is more than just Kyron to think about...what about his back pack, clothing, medications if he was taking any...glasses.

I agree - any little thing could be a clue to his whereabouts.

 

[Etilema]

What I meant by my earlier post, Is that if they did get a supernova to search the home of TH Dad who is an active LE officer in another part of the State, I would love to know the probable cause they had to search his home.

I assume the above is the result of an auto-complete error!