2010.07.31 - Why are they searching DDS' relatives' properties?

[citigirl]

I assume the above is the result of an auto-complete error!

I like it. It's so much easier to remember how to spell...

 

[wondering1]

What I meant by my earlier post, Is that if they did get a supernova to search the home of TH Dad who is an active LE officer in another part of the State, I would love to know the probable cause they had to search his home.

ah...sorry. I misunderstood active LE property...now I'm misunderstanding "supernova" lol You're right, if they are searching her dad's property, I agree that might be a pretty big deal, imo. Or maybe he really is just that much of a stand up guy and realizes that it's just SOP and he's trying to get his dd cleared?

 

[TxLady2]

What concerns me is that we don't hear that TH's family's property is being searched. Maybe they are all in Roseburg??? Does DDS have family in Portland??? Or just Klamath Falls?

My head is spinning. These players are all over the state! Oh never mind, we don't have anyone in The Dalles or Bend.....YET!:angel:

Right... we didn't hear about it, and that may not mean anything. We don't always hear about a search if it doesn't require a warrant. Sometimes LE will go and interview family members, ask permission to look around and we don't hear about it.

 

[wondering1]

BBM
I haven't finished this whole thread but felt compelled to respond to the above posts.

1) Any psychologist or social worker interviewing a child is a mandated reporter of Child Abuse and Neglect. If not reported, the professional could lose licensure for not protecting a child. That means contacting Child Protective Services and then letting CPS do their job of investigating and deciding if this child is safe in the family home.
2) No professional (that I know or have heard of) would help hide a child from their parents, (except if there is a restraining order signed by a court/or in moment of imminent harm/death).
3) Kyron had told his Mom that he wanted to live with her and he had cried on a few occassions when he had to return to his Father's and TH's home (according to DY). If in fact a psychologist or social worker spoke w/Kyron - he would no doubt tell them of his wishes (if TH was not around) to be with his Mom either more often or fulltime. True professionals know to interview the child with the parent out of the room for this very reason (to allow the child to say whatever they need to without fear of reprisal from the parent).

I don't think I mentioned a professional in my post, but just to be clear, I'm not talking about a professional, at least a current or mainstream one. My speculation would, imo, more likely involve a crusader-type. Or, as someone else suggested, if a professional, a former or rogue professional. Again, I think it's far-fetched, but wth do I know

 

[winterrose]

In the thread about TH's friends homes being searched, someone commented on a relative owning a cabin on a lake and something about wondering about an elderly person. Going back to see if I can find it.

I mentioned on one of her blogs the first night we found them,her parents own a home next to the lake and have no internet and such.People could take a child,say he's in danger from a family member,so he'll be hid.But,we found out last week her father works for the Sheriff's Office where they live,so he'd have heard about Kyron.But,Kyron could be rotating from place to place.

 

[winterrose]

I haven't read the whole thread yet to see if someone else addressed this, however, I do recall that in an early link from MSM there was mention of DDS and her relatives owning "rural" property in the general area and perhaps some in the Southern Oregon area. I will try to find the link after the sun comes up -- and I hope to at least get a little shut-eye before that happens.:crosseyed:

Yep her parents property and I believe south of where she lives.But I believe he'd have been moved,if anyone related to DS had him,when this news first broke about her.

 

[TxLady2]

[bbm]

I have trouble understanding her holding anything back. Wth is in it for her - really nothing EXCEPT CYA right?

Unless, TH did have a stash (& I highly doubt it) of $$$ hidden somewhere re: the supposed attorney payment.

So, if there's nothing in it for her EXCEPT CYA, then she's gotta be more involved than I originally suspected. She could've gotten immunity and revealed where Kyron is by now if she was an accessory after the fact.

Again, I keep going back to why? The only explanation in my mind has to be that she is more involved than consoling & supporting a panicked friend.

I'm having trouble explaining myself right now but suffice it to say that I'm highly annoyed with Dede right now. If my friend were suspected of anything criminal, LE would have my full cooperation regardless. And if a child were at risk, I'd be going above & beyond to support that investigation. But that's because I wouldn't be guilty of anything so that leads me to believe Dede is.

Respectfully, I don't think that is a fair assumption, but to each his own.

You'd be surprised at the people who won't cooperate with LE when it comes to what they know regarding a crime. Not everyone is as moral and straight up as you or I or most posters here. There are a LOT of folks who just will not get involved even if they witness some kind of crime. Consider the videos of the man getting hit by a car several months ago. The driver never slowed down, and no one stepped up to help the victim. They stood there and did nothing, didn't even get the license plate number. Or the gal who hit the guy a few years ago, causing him to crash into the windshield and stuck there. She drove home, parked in the garage, and ignored his cries for help. He died several hours later, and her excuse? She was scared, wasn't sure what to do and didn't want to be blamed for it. If she had dialed 911 as soon as it happened, his life might have been saved. People have all kinds of excuses for not getting involved. Even if it was their fault, or they had a part in it.

OTOH, some people just want to be left alone, and not have their name dragged in the dirt, or made the topic of discussion on message boards.

IMO, just because Kaine and Desiree think DeDe is involved and protecting Terri, doesn't make it so. She may not know where Kyron is or what happened. They named her as a possible accomplice on national t.v. and now everyone is blasting her, blaming her for things she may not be guilty of. Her picture is all over the place. Can we really blame anyone for not stepping forward if they know anything? Would you want that instant "fame?" Nowadays, if you step up to help, you get accused of the crime itself. Look at Roy Kronk. Now the defense is trying to blame him for murdering Caylee or at the least, disposing of her body. They've dragged up his past, his ex wife has been on t.v. claiming he tied her up and duct taped her mouth. Doing the right thing doesn't always get a person a thank you and job well done. Sometimes it causes them pure Hell.

Sorry for the rant, and I am not aiming it at you at all, LadyL. I'm just saying that it's not fair to assume that she knows or was a part of Kyron's disappearance, just because she was reluctant at first to come forward.

 

[winterrose]

That's the only thing I can think of, too. And it would kind of explain her demeanor, as well. If she think she's absolutely got the goods on someone else in the family and is about to throw them under the bus, her attitude might be like, here it comes a**hole.

It could also explain why she would need immunity before she testifies (other than the obvious reason she would have if she actually helped to harm Kyron). If she helped take him, it would still be a crime, but not so serious a crime, maybe, that LE wouldn't consider immunity? Especially if her motives were to protect a child rather than harm him.

idk, seems so far fetched, but who the heck knows in this case. To me, her tweet account seems to support this theory in some ways. But only if you think it's possible that there was a WHOLE lot going on behind the scenes and some people who were willing to involve themselves in such a thing at a very extraordinary level. But, again, who knows. TH and DDS seem to have been quite *extraordinary* imo. jmoo/omoo

I'm really bothered by the twitter a/c as her only post about Kyron being missing,you'd think a good friend of TH's would use her twitter a/c to help find him.It was like a oh btw post.Then the restaurant post about the a/c not working and it was hot,something to that effect,it was out of the blue and really odd.So,I hope people can remember instances where they were seen together right before Kyron went missing and after to see who was with them.I'd check all the Red Robin restaurants in a wide surrounding area to talk to employees,to see if they remember anything.It's surprising how many young people don't listen to the news or read a paper.I believe someone has him.

I don't believe he was killed,I believe he was hidden.I think it could have been to get back at Kaine and Desiree.If her and Kaine were having issues,well actually if you want to have someone killed,you are.But I think with the past history of DY having Kyron,then her and Kaine,and she possibly didn't want them both to have him again.Maybe she's always been jealous of Kaine and DY's relationship,another reason this melting pot after a divorce is a bad idea.I feel she cared about Kyron and why she had him in so many activities and school volunteering,but she could never totally be the mother with DY always in the picture.All of this is irrational,but people don't always act rational in divorces and seperations,why bad things happen alot to the children.

 

[Calliope]

Respectfully, I don't think that is a fair assumption, but to each his own.

You'd be surprised at the people who won't cooperate with LE when it comes to what they know regarding a crime. Not everyone is as moral and straight up as you or I or most posters here. There are a LOT of folks who just will not get involved even if they witness some kind of crime. Consider the videos of the man getting hit by a car several months ago. The driver never slowed down, and no one stepped up to help the victim. They stood there and did nothing, didn't even get the license plate number. Or the gal who hit the guy a few years ago, causing him to crash into the windshield and stuck there. She drove home, parked in the garage, and ignored his cries for help. He died several hours later, and her excuse? She was scared, wasn't sure what to do and didn't want to be blamed for it. If she had dialed 911 as soon as it happened, his life might have been saved. People have all kinds of excuses for not getting involved. Even if it was their fault, or they had a part in it.

OTOH, some people just want to be left alone, and not have their name dragged in the dirt, or made the topic of discussion on message boards.

IMO, just because Kaine and Desiree think DeDe is involved and protecting Terri, doesn't make it so. She may not know where Kyron is or what happened. They named her as a possible accomplice on national t.v. and now everyone is blasting her, blaming her for things she may not be guilty of. Her picture is all over the place. Can we really blame anyone for not stepping forward if they know anything? Would you want that instant "fame?" Nowadays, if you step up to help, you get accused of the crime itself. Look at Roy Kronk. Now the defense is trying to blame him for murdering Caylee or at the least, disposing of her body. They've dragged up his past, his ex wife has been on t.v. claiming he tied her up and duct taped her mouth. Doing the right thing doesn't always get a person a thank you and job well done. Sometimes it causes them pure Hell.

Sorry for the rant, and I am not aiming it at you at all, LadyL. I'm just saying that it's not fair to assume that she knows or was a part of Kyron's disappearance, just because she was reluctant at first to come forward.

Considering what I've witnessed here and elsewhere in this case, for the safety of my own family I wouldn't say a word to police except on the advice of an attorney --- and sadly even then I'd be reluctant as hell.

 

[human]

Anyone else completely weirded out by the relationship between those two? Don't normal couples who live together (not just spouses) ask about how their day went and at least go into some detail? I mean, don't we generally know what goes on from day to day in the lives of our significant others? I am drawn to a few conclusions pretty quickly:

1) TH could have been extremely secretive about her activities.

2) That secrecy could have been made all the easier by KH's obliviousness, limited capacity for empathy, limited social skills, etc.

Obviously KH is a victim here and he's suffering, but I do wonder why he's having these revelations about her character now (after the fact) and yet he trusted her enough to care for his son.

My hubby would not have a clue what I do all day, except what I tell him.

Why would any hubby have a clue if they are working all day and the wife is at home?

 

[human]

Exactly! He even says, himself, that he had no knowledge of what she might be doing during the day while he was at work.

My hubby doesn't own me. We've been married 36 years. I do what I want during the day when I am not working. Maybe sometimes we talk about my exciting trips to the grocery store or whatever; other times not.

If I do things with my female friends, I may or may not tell him. Sometimes I feel he doesn't need to know about my female friend talks.

If hubby goes and does something like fishing with his buddies, I don't ask for a rundown. Just whatever might be interesting.

 

[human]

1. Dede appears to not have tweeted since the 13th. She had one tweet about Kyron in the beginning,which is strange to me,considering that she was a good enough friend to move in with Terri.

2. Her blogs were removed shortly after she was in the media. They detailed her days in terms of what she ate, exercise, etc. They seemed more of a diary of her life, to me.

3. Her FB is private, but I don't know if it always was.

 

[Leila]

I can think of several scenarios.

They are checking for other gardening tools with possible evidence on them.

They are checking storage sheds for Kyron.

They wonder if she has Kyron or his remains hidden on a relative's property.

ETA: And I take "property" to mean actual land and property, which is how the word is usually used by the media.


Obviously Terri was secretive - I don't see much normal there. Kaine just thought things were normal.

When one partner weirds out, the other is usually in the dark until something happens. In this case something big happened.

I too think they're talking about land/property, and when I read the article, I immediately thought of a vacation cabin or lake cottage - something that was shared by various family members and frequently vacant for periods of time.

My impression, based on what we know about Terri's behavior, is that she's likely very manipulative. Usually, woman like Terri choose men whom they can easily control and manipulate. I suspect Kaine believed whatever Terri told him whether it be truth or fiction. I think Terri led a secretive life. While appearing to be the dutiful wife and mother, she did what she pleased and kept things hidden from Kaine. With Kyron's disappearance Kaine is now finding out about those things that Terri kept hidden.

 

[Leila]

What I meant by my earlier post, Is that if they did get a supernova to search the home of TH Dad who is an active LE officer in another part of the State, I would love to know the probable cause they had to search his home.

Excellent point!

 

[Aedrys]

Wow, so they're searching Dede's relatives. Not TH's as far as we know.

Does this mean TH is willing to not only risk her best friend but her best friend's family? And not TH's own family?

Wow, TH is the crappiest best friend I've ever heard of.

 

[Leila]

My hubby would not have a clue what I do all day, except what I tell him.

Why would any hubby have a clue if they are working all day and the wife is at home?

Trust..............complete trust, as it should be, and in 99 cases out of 100, that trust in valid. But some woman may take advantage of that trust and engage in activities they keep secret from their husband.

 

[human]

People have made the comment that they would not cooperate.

Are we to assume then that TH has no other friend's that have not been interviewed, etc? We know three properties were searched-Dede, the woman who took a 6 hour polygraph ordeal and ?

Can we assume that there are no other friends? Why haven't we heard about LE hassling them?

To me, it shows there is nothing to be afraid of and that Dede has something that doesn't add up.

 

[nurseratchett]

People have made the comment that they would not cooperate.

Are we to assume then that TH has no other friend's that have not been interviewed, etc? We know three properties were searched-Dede, the woman who took a 6 hour polygraph ordeal and ?

Can we assume that there are no other friends? Why haven't we heard about LE hassling them?

To me, it shows there is nothing to be afraid of and that Dede has something that doesn't add up.

I agree, it seems as if the other friends who have cooperated are not being "investigated" as intently as DeDe Spicher or Michael Cook was, so that leads me to believe they have info deemed important, and are not cooperating as fully as desired by LE.

 

[palladore]

Considering what I've witnessed here and elsewhere in this case, for the safety of my own family I wouldn't say a word to police except on the advice of an attorney --- and sadly even then I'd be reluctant as hell.

Kaine and Desiree each made statements in the last presser which, taken together, bothered me. Kaine said, with notable anger and frustration, "I've heard people say that they're afraid to get involved and to come into this, and you know, it makes me really emotional." O.K. If I were in Kaine's shoes and thought there were people who knew something about my child's abduction, and were refusing to come forward, I'd be angry – very, very angry.

But then Desiree said that ANYONE who knew TH or DD "or talked to them ever" should contact LE. My sympathy stops here. If I were a casual acquaintance of TH or DD and LE showed up at my door I'd invite the officer in, and explain that I'd love to help but had no information of any value. However, if I were an acquaintance of either woman and knew nothing about Kyron's disappearance, I would not voluntarily contact LE.

KATU reported that two friends of TH had submitted to polygraphs and allowed their homes to be searched, and showed a video clip of one of the friend's home. An armchair detective noticed a For Sale sign next to house, found the listing online, and gleefully posted the owner’s name on a form. An army of “concerned citizens” whose only goal “is to find Kyron” than started sleuthing said friend and posting information about her on line. I’ve never followed a criminal investigation before and it has been a revelation to learn how easily the details of a person’s life can become the fodder for investigation by a mob of strangers. TH’s posted hundreds of photos on her Facebook account. Many of the photos were of friends and their children, most of which she identified by first and last name. Without doubt, some of those people, and others who know Terri, don’t want to get involved. While that may anger Kaine, I can't say that I blame them.

 

[cypress]

Kaine and Desiree each made statements in the last presser which, taken together, bothered me. Kaine said, with notable anger and frustration, "I've heard people say that they're afraid to get involved and to come into this, and you know, it makes me really emotional." O.K. If I were in Kaine's shoes and thought there were people who knew something about my child's abduction, and were refusing to come forward, I'd be angry – very, very angry.

But then Desiree said that ANYONE who knew TH or DD "or talked to them ever" should contact LE. My sympathy stops here. If I were a casual acquaintance of TH or DD and LE showed up at my door I'd invite the officer in, and explain that I'd love to help but had no information of any value. However, if I were an acquaintance of either woman and knew nothing about Kyron's disappearance, I would not voluntarily contact LE.

KATU reported that two friends of TH had submitted to polygraphs and allowed their homes to be searched, and showed a video clip of one of the friend's home. An armchair detective noticed a For Sale sign next to house, found the listing online, and gleefully posted the owner’s name on a form. An army of “concerned citizens” whose only goal “is to find Kyron” than started sleuthing said friend and posting information about her on line. I’ve never followed a criminal investigation before and it has been a revelation to learn how easily the details of a person’s life can become the fodder for investigation by a mob of strangers. TH’s posted hundreds of photos on her Facebook account. Many of the photos were of friends and their children, most of which she identified by first and last name. Without doubt, some of those people, and others who know Terri, don’t want to get involved. While that may anger Kaine, I can't say that I blame them.

Thanks wasn't enough!

Threatening someone with a civil suit is not, IMHO, the best way to obtain information. So if people are scared to come forward, Kaine and Desiree are partly responsible given how they've handled other potential witnesses (re: DS).

It's entirely possible DS, being the daughter of LE, has seen the way in which the finger is pointed at Terri but believes she is innocent, and is advising her accordingly (or was, as the case may be). Desiree said DS was giving Terri advice that was not in line with helping find Kyron, but I have a hard time reconciling Desiree's accusation, because in the past when asked to clarify, Desiree said Terri was not contacting LE and giving them the answers that would bring Kyron home. She is, however, assuming guilt. With regard to DS and TH, it's entirely possible DS gave her some advice along the lines of, "Don't submit to any more polygraphs. Don't say anything else, they're only going to use it against you anwyay." I don't know what was said, but the inference is that DS was concerned with Terri's well-being, which may have angered Desiree.

It's been reported that DS refused to take a polygraph but she has spent several hours with LE being questioned. IMHO, this falls in line with DS being the daughter of LE. A lot of LE will tell you not to submit to a polygraph because they are not foolproof. So she didn't submit to the polygraph, but she has submitted to police questioning. She has not been legally compelled to do so (or not that I'm aware of). IMHO, some of Desiree and Kaine's statements about not cooperating, odd behavior, etc., is because people are not responding in ways that they believe are acceptable. Everyone handles stress and grief differently. What's normal for one person is unfathomable to another.

It's difficult for me to read about people assuming the worst about DS, and even Terri, when so little is known about either woman and when there is evidence that blatantly contradicts the rumors many have taken as fact.