2010.08.05 Dominic Casey emails

[TorisMom003]

I don't even know if these inane ramblings can be considered "tips". There was nothing remotely credible to base them on. I am so sickened by these "people". Hope LE is on the ball.

I agree and I can't say what else I told my husband about this group of people. If I did say it then I would surely get banned or at the very least a lengthy time out. :innocent:

 

[LambChop]

Wouldn't the JAC want to see receipts for the money spent on investigators and experts? It was a lot of money, over $100,000.

 

[RR0004]

This is exactly what I brought up to my husband last night. I could not find any answer in the emails as to how Luke, Ginny and D Casey all got together. That is bugging me alot. Is it possible that Luke called in those tips, Cindy gave those tips to D Casey to sort out and D Casey then called Luke to find out more information? The whole thing makes my head hurt though.

I know I read that Luke contacted Cindy. The first emails that we saw were from Ginny to Luke so I guess her (or Lukes) emails were subpoenaed as well (?).

 

[Steely Dan]

Seagull, I don't discount legitimate psychics (no, that is not an oxymoron in my opinon) and I openly expressed that a couple of days ago in my post here. However, these people are concocting stories...completely making up scenarios to try to create a defense theory in the name of reasonable doubt. It is a complete travesty and I wish every single one of them could be held criminally liable. Their actions have done absolutely nothing BUT destroy more lives.

I ran across the abridged version WFTV posted (only 14 pdf pages) of some of the more outrageous stories they concocted. I bet both Luke & DC need therapy for all the muscles they pulled while stretching so hard.

I agree that true psychics exist but as I've said before they are only .01 % of those who claim to be psychics. From just reading the parsed stuff here it's obvious they are charlatans. IMO, they impeded the investigation by deliberately trying to waste LE's time.

FYI: My husband was a PI for 20 years and would NEVER have acted in such an irresponsible manner. He was always very professional. He worked for many attorneys and did some investigations for private citizens. He rarely took domestics because he would tell them if they felt their spouse was cheating to get a good attorney that paying him was a waste of money. That is integrity. DC has none. PI's have a code of ethics. To put such theories in written form shows DC is immature, unprofessional and inexperienced. Certainly giving PI's everywhere a bad name. jmo

IMO, he gives human beings a bad name.

Dominic Casey was not just joking about feeding Baez false information, he actually did it. There is an email stating that on p. 21133 here http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24527395/detail.html

At the time he did this, Sept. 22, 2008, he was still under contract with Baez. Baez had every right to know what Dom was working on and to receive that information. Instead of meeting that obligation Dom chose to play games and give a false story to the very person that hired him to get that information. To me, this is not only unprofessional and unethical, but I would guess it's a violation that could result in the loss of his PI license.

The best line I've seen so far from DC is on page 21130;

This may all be a figment of my imagination but ........ ? Following is summary of one of the
reports I received -

As close to the truth as these emails get, JMO

Also Pondering, one has to wonder.. if DC was trying soooo hard to explore every possible avenue and to make sure he and his team turned over every possible stone.. then why didn't he investigate CASEY herself? Seems to be the most logical place to start.

wild

It seems to me that if they believed KC was truly innocent they would have started with her in an effort to find the exculpatory evidence. The way this was handled comes across as desperately trying to create a SODDI defense that looks good enough to sway a jury. Unfortunately the three stooges couldn't Forrest Gump their way to anything useful. The more they investigated the more they exonerated everybody else.

IIRC, CA asks a LE officer during one of her interviews why they weren't checking out various bit players and she's told they have. This isn't good enough for her because they weren't able to pin it on anyone else. She says she has evidence that Caylee... yada, yada, yada. Well now we know where that "evidence" came from. There was no real evidence going in that direction after investigation. LE will look at suspects but if there is nothing there then there is nothing there, without regard to what any psychic is telling CA. Given all the facts since that interview LE was right to ignore the "psychic" advice after clearing others. CA wanted LE to make the SODDI defense for her but they couldn't and so the DC stuff happened. JMO

 

[RR0004]

So was money used from KC's account to pay for these "people on the ground" or were they just never paid, OR did they really never existed. I know JB stated in court, I believe, that the remainder of the money was spent on experts and investigators. Seems like a lot of money with "0" results....... jmo

Well, in one email Jose says he thought DC was working pro bono...no mention of "others". According to Luke, he wasn't in it for the money. Wish I could say the same about Ginette. But, I doubt she received a cent. So that's a good question...who did get paid. (It could have been DC after the fact...he did lodge a complaint with the Bar.)

 

[LambChop]

Well, in one email Jose says he thought DC was working pro bono...no mention of "others". According to Luke, he wasn't in it for the money. Wish I could say the same about Ginette. But, I doubt she received a cent. So that's a good question...who did get paid. (It could have been DC after the fact...he did lodge a complaint with the Bar.)

When one PI asks another PI from another state to investigate they expect to get paid. They are not going to not send a bill for billable hours. A round-the-clock rotation while watching a house cost some money. So who paid the bill?????? Getting someone from PR to watch a home cost money and who paid that bill. If there are no bills chances are there was no PI in PR or GA. If this is so, DC put in a complaint that he was not being paid by JB. If no work was actually done how would he be able to bill his hours. Wouldn't we love to see those bills. DC has to submit them he can't just say give me some of that money you received from ABC. jmo

 

[wildchild1961]

If you have it handy, could you post the link to where DC filed an accusation toward a suspect with police? Thanks (Maybe I just haven't gotten to those docs yet, it looks like in the one posted above they were joking about feeding Baez baloney because they thought he was kind of being a media hound for profit or something rather than helping to find Caylee, but I'm not sure. If I were them I wouldn't have done that, but maybe they didn't, maybe it didn't go beyond their joking in the email to each other?)

Why the comments like "most of us want the right person to pay for the crime and not get innocent people involved like all of KC's friends, TES, Mr. Kronk," etc. Why wouldn't KC's friends that she'd had Caylee around prior to Caylee's disappearance be investigated, or Kronk? Selectively not investigating these people would seem pretty strange in the case of a missing/murdered child. Why the insulting terms toward other board users like the above and "it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out" etc. You don't think people who are trying to wait until the trial to decide if Casey is actually guilty or not, trying to look at all the evidence impartially without a prosecution bias, are just as interested in the perpetrator being brought to justice or are as intelligent as you? That for some reason those of us on the board with a different viewpoint, and the psychics too I guess, just want to get Casey off for some reason? :waitasec: :truce:

ahhh Seagull, please please accept my apologies on this.. I think that was me who said that phrase (it definately sounds like something out of my mouth!.. er.. fingers) I did not intend it to be an insult.. instead I tend to use that phrase in daily speech as an adjective and it is wrong. I need to remind myself the written word can be taken wrong every easily and to keep junk like that out of my posts here. I meant no disrespect at all. There are things in your posts I agree with completely and there are things I disagree with.. but they always make me think.. and I value that immensely. Again.. I am sincerely sorry and will make sure I keep things like that out of my posts! Very sorry.

wild

 

[Dear Prudence]

When one PI asks another PI from another state to investigate they expect to get paid. They are not going to not send a bill for billable hours. A round-the-clock rotation while watching a house cost some money. So who paid the bill?????? Getting someone from PR to watch a home cost money and who paid that bill. If there are no bills chances are there was no PI in PR or GA. If this is so, DC put in a complaint that he was not being paid by JB. If no work was actually done how would he be able to bill his hours. Wouldn't we love to see those bills. DC has to submit them he can't just say give me some of that money you received from ABC. jmo

I would also love to see the contract between Baez and DC. What was DC actually hired to do and did he really agree to do it pro bono?

 

[kwmred]

Dominic Casey was not just joking about feeding Baez false information, he actually did it. There is an email stating that on p. 21133 here http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24527395/detail.html

At the time he did this, Sept. 22, 2008, he was still under contract with Baez. Baez had every right to know what Dom was working on and to receive that information. Instead of meeting that obligation Dom chose to play games and give a false story to the very person that hired him to get that information. To me, this is not only unprofessional and unethical, but I would guess it's a violation that could result in the loss of his PI license.

Not saying what he did was right, but considering he was never paid for his services, I would think that contract was null and void. Guess I'll leave that for the legal eagles to decide, but IMO you must have consideration for there to even be a contract.

 

[beach]

In re. who got paid -

I remember it like RR in re. when DC approached Baez about payment, Baez responded that he understood DC was working pro bono;

I recall DC upset with someone (was it Baez? :waitasec because he was promised a large sum for all the work he did in re. security for the memorial and it never materialized;

I recall from a CA (or maybe GA) depo (I know it wasn't from these emails) that DC was given a sum of money after the 48 Hours deal paid out. I can't recall how much it was, but I do recall a figure given (I really don't remember it as being too large a sum);

I tend to believe that Luke and GL were just into this for the exposure/notoriety and hoped that a high profile case would produce more lucrative leads for them. Heck, GL even asks DC to send her some leads in an email on the very day Caylee's body was discovered. She wasted no time knowing her 'skills' rolleyes were no longer needed in Caylee's case.

I really don't think any of these people made much, if any, money (sans Baez). DC is broke, we know that the A's didn't have the money to pay.... I recall reading in a 2009 email DC telling Luke he has no power, phone or money to pay the rent for his office space.

The only other thing I can think of is the "Foundation" and I think that would have certainly been exposed by now.

 

[wildchild1961]

If you have it handy, could you post the link to where DC filed an accusation toward a suspect with police? Thanks (Maybe I just haven't gotten to those docs yet, it looks like in the one posted above they were joking about feeding Baez baloney because they thought he was kind of being a media hound for profit or something rather than helping to find Caylee, but I'm not sure. If I were them I wouldn't have done that, but maybe they didn't, maybe it didn't go beyond their joking in the email to each other?)

Why the comments like "most of us want the right person to pay for the crime and not get innocent people involved like all of KC's friends, TES, Mr. Kronk," etc. Why wouldn't KC's friends that she'd had Caylee around prior to Caylee's disappearance be investigated, or Kronk? Selectively not investigating these people would seem pretty strange in the case of a missing/murdered child. Why the insulting terms toward other board users like the above and "it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out" etc. You don't think people who are trying to wait until the trial to decide if Casey is actually guilty or not, trying to look at all the evidence impartially without a prosecution bias, are just as interested in the perpetrator being brought to justice or are as intelligent as you? That for some reason those of us on the board with a different viewpoint, and the psychics too I guess, just want to get Casey off for some reason? :waitasec: :truce:

In all fairness though Seagull, isn't having a defense bias the same as having a prosecution bias?

I too am waiting till I have more evidence that will come out at trial before I make up my mind about WHY Casey did this. I do however completely believe she DID do it. However, that doesn't mean I feel the need to defend and come up with a reason for every thing the prosecution says that defies logic (not pointing that at you or any member on here). If the prosecution says something completely illogical or out of character for the majority of the human race.. then yes.. I would be commenting on that rather than trying to find reasons for why they are doing it, and yes, CALLING them on it for saying it as well.

In this case.. DC and his crew ARE saying things that are completely illogical and out of character for the majority of the human race.. so YES.. I AM commenting on that rather than trying to find reasons for why they are doing it, and yes, I AM calling them on it for saying it as well. They are openly coming up with lies and creating all sorts of nonsense. I am not one for trying to second guess why they are doing it.. it is enough for me to know that they ARE doing it.

I respect folks enough to let them stand on their own sentences and actions. DC is in-arguably spinning stories (he states it himself in his own emails.. there is literally at least half a dozen concrete examples that can be pointed to). I am not going to spend any effort figuring out WHY he is doing so. Bottom line is... he's doing it and admits it.

wild

 

[sleutherontheside]

May I suggest reading Krystal Holloway's LE interview.........very carefully. THen reference the "tips" in the DC emails that refer to a white fence, a security guard, and an Hispanic woman with curly hair.

VERY INSIGHTFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Numbers]

I would also love to see the contract between Baez and DC. What was DC actually hired to do and did he really agree to do it pro bono?

http://orlandosentinel.image2.trb.com/orlnews/media/acrobat/2009-09/49548343.pdf

This is the "Letter of Engagement" between DCasey and JB.

I asked before, but got no response: This document is 2 pages long as reported by the Orlando Sentinel. Page 2 reads "page 3 of 3." indicated that there is a page missing. Anybody got a better version that includes page 2? It must contain quite a bit of pertinent information.

ETA: Crap. This is between DC and George and Cindy, not Jose. My bad. My question still stands, though.

 

[beach]

May I suggest reading Krystal Holloway's LE interview.........very carefully. THen reference the "tips" in the DC emails that refer to a white fence, a security guard, and an Hispanic woman with curly hair.

VERY INSIGHTFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SOTS, I will. Thank you for the tip. I won't get a chance to until later tonight. Can you direct us to which email (pdf or discovery pg #)?

 

[beach]

http://orlandosentinel.image2.trb.com/orlnews/media/acrobat/2009-09/49548343.pdf

This is the "Letter of Engagement" between DCasey and JB.

I asked before, but got no response: This document is 2 pages long as reported by the Orlando Sentinel. Page 2 reads "page 3 of 3." indicated that there is a page missing. Anybody got a better version that includes page 2? It must contain quite a bit of pertinent information.

ETA: Crap. This is between DC and George and Cindy, not Jose. My bad. My question still stands, though.

I'm not sure we've ever seen the one between DC & JB. :waitasec: It has been referenced many times though.

 

[wildchild1961]

It seems to me that if they believed KC was truly innocent they would have started with her in an effort to find the exculpatory evidence. The way this was handled comes across as desperately trying to create a SODDI defense that looks good enough to sway a jury. Unfortunately the three stooges couldn't Forrest Gump their way to anything useful. The more they investigated the more they exonerated everybody else.

IIRC, CA asks a LE officer during one of her interviews why they weren't checking out various bit players and she's told they have. This isn't good enough for her because they weren't able to pin it on anyone else. She says she has evidence that Caylee... yada, yada, yada. Well now we know where that "evidence" came from. There was no real evidence going in that direction after investigation. LE will look at suspects but if there is nothing there then there is nothing there, without regard to what any psychic is telling CA. Given all the facts since that interview LE was right to ignore the "psychic" advice after clearing others. CA wanted LE to make the SODDI defense for her but they couldn't and so the DC stuff happened. JMO

EXAAAAAAAAAACTLY Steely Dan!! Perfectly said.. what better way to prove her innocence than to verify what she is stating!

wild

 

[sleutherontheside]

SOTS, I will. Thank you for the tip. I won't get a chance to until later tonight. Can you direct us to which email (pdf or discovery pg #)?

Here is the link to the Krystal interview.....
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23070163/detail.html

Link to the Emails
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24527395/detail.html

I will go through it in a bit and see if I can pull out some correlations. And will link dates and pages for both. Just need some time.

 

[LambChop]

http://orlandosentinel.image2.trb.com/orlnews/media/acrobat/2009-09/49548343.pdf

This is the "Letter of Engagement" between DCasey and JB.

I asked before, but got no response: This document is 2 pages long as reported by the Orlando Sentinel. Page 2 reads "page 3 of 3." indicated that there is a page missing. Anybody got a better version that includes page 2? It must contain quite a bit of pertinent information.

ETA: Crap. This is between DC and George and Cindy, not Jose. My bad. My question still stands, though.

I think page 2 was the page with the financial information which was removed.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

With all due respect and please let no one take offense but I have been reading all the discovery that has been released so far and I do not see anything, anything there that points to anyone other than KC. Plus defense has been asked numerous times to contribute and we have seen nothing from them and SA's discovery is pointing to KC. What was "leaked" to the media about Kronk is garbage. We all have duct tape and many of us keep it in our cars, in particular MEN. They know how to fix engine thingys when they go kerplunk. So to say a man has a history with duct tape is way toooo generic. Who do you think buys that stuff????? And in particular someone who has a job which involves water. Face it, duct tape works and has multi-purposes.

All we have from the defense side is a statement KC gave to police about the Nanny taking the baby and a slew of lies, very little truth. Why do people lie....answer is simple, to hide the truth? The clock is running on the defense's release of discovery. We are all waiting to be proved wrong. If they had it, we would have seen it by day two. It just is not there. jmo

Lambchop,
I agree - nothing I have seen to date points to anyone else having killed baby Caylee.

I did want to make sure that readers understand why I still talk about the Daisy Chain theory. I still think the killer might have revealed information on where the remains were to someone and that someone or someones possibly put into motion a chain of events that they wanted to lead to discovery of the body to either - move it, or plant evidence pointing to SODDI, or some other agenda. The best I can come up with is the motive would be to please the informer so the child would not be in the woods any longer and could be buried properly. However, I don't think even her cremated remains have been buried - or I have missed where this baby was laid to rest.
So, basically I do find these interesting from a point of pondering obstruction and for the cast and dates of those whom were in or near Suburban drive.
Again - Daisy Chain in obstruction. I only see one person having the blood on their hands at this point and that person sits in solitary awaiting trial.

 

[countzero]

...and when Caylee was found...no problem Dominic we can get ya some more cases to work on. That Ginny is a piece of work.

Way back when, a long time ago, we had a thread about Ms Ginny after she became known through her connected with DC. Anyhow, I posted back then that in Virginia many years ago, Ginny was involved in a murder case where the victims family paid her a large amount of money. When the money ran out by Ginnys standards she demanded more to continue to give her physic tips. The family publicly outed her to the media and she disappeared for a while.

Caylee's case isn't the first scam she has pulled. Actually, she was on NG and it was the first time I agreed with Nancy giving this chick the third degree on TV.