2010.08.05 Dominic Casey emails

[ThinkTank]

I wanted to find in the emails anything that supports that Ginny the psychic and pal Luke gave Dominic "something" .... anything .... to lead him to that EXACT SPOT on Suburban Dr....but there is NOTHING in the emails. My conclusion after studying the chronology of events and psychic "tips" and dates and times included in the emails, is that Ginny and Luke had NOTHING to do with helping Dominic create that Google Earth map with the pushpin on "Location on Suburban Dr".

I believe Dominic was given the info about exactly where to look on Suburban Drive, and either he was off on his measurements by some feet, or the flood waters floated Caylee's remains further away from their original dumping grounds.

I believe Dominic was told to go look in that exact spot - either on Nov 14th, or the morning of Nov 15th.
He got to the spot, then got on the phone with Ginny the psychic to see if she could raise any psychic impressions about where he was poking around in the woods to help him find Caylee's remains. Ginny did not lead him there, but Dominic may have thought she could help him once he was there.

IMO Dominic has to do the right thing, if he has not already, and tell LE and State Attorneys exactly who told him to go out there, when they told him, and how they knew to go to that spot. He most likely wants to/or did want to in the past, protect Cindy. He would want to protect himself also from prison time for tampering with evidence and lying to police and obstructing the investigation. Baby girl deserves the respect and dignity of Dominic coming out with the truth!

I wonder when Luke finally figured out that he was being played and used by Dominic? Luke may have thought that Ginny actually gave Dominic psychic impressions to Suburban and pavers .... not knowing that Dominic really had directions from some other source and was letting Luke and Ginny think they were the source. Luke never asked in the emails (that we have seen), what led Dominic to the "Location on Suburban Dr" -- as Luke had asked in the past, what was leading Dominic to the area near Hopespring Dr.. And Ginny's overblown ego would allow her to think that SHE had led Dominic to the spot, even if she had not. In hindsight, both of them should be asking what led Dominic to put that pushpin on that Google Earth map on the EXACT SPOT where Caylee was found - and only gave Luke and Ginny the map AFTER Dominic had searched on Suburban Dr.

 

[ThinkTank]

I took the picture and lightened it so the shadows would be more visible. Then I blew it up in one instance but the blown up image makes it harder to see what it is, IMO. When was this photo taken?

I don't believe it was ever determined when this aerial photo was taken ... but johninflorida found it Dec 31, 2008 or a few days before he published it on his website on that date.

ETA: Johninflorida said: "I went back and reviewed some of the aerial photos that I had copied earlier and thought I saw something that might have given me a clue as to what she did all day"...."Her car just happened to be parked there the day the image was taken."..."This photo is from Orange County and I believe it is a fly over taken in 2008, the county would know"

 

[Woe.be.gone]

It has been suggested on another thread that DC found Caylee's body indeed, but that he was not sure what to do about it as the sweet angel was disarticulated.
I am onboard with this train of thought, but have to ask-Why would he drag in a third, mostly unknown party in James Hoover, to videotape the discovery of the body?

We know DC went back without JH, so it's possible he was going back to confirm his findings then-and did not have a way/the stomach to get her out of the woods. But if he were trying to stage a "we did not find her she must not be here" with JH, he took a pretty big chance having JH videotape in the woods with him, right near the remains. JH could have seen her, then what would DC have done? How could he guarantee that JH would help him remove the remains, he barely knew him.

Trying to punch holes in the theory that DC found her so that we can cover the holes if possible.

Also doesn't this whole DC/JH story conflict with the story of RK? If one believes RK, Caylee's bag, skull or whatever should have been easy to find/see. He saw the skull in August and then saw the bag in December with a dome that turned out to be the skull (he claims). Therefore, DC and JH should have been able to find Caylee easily. :waitasec:

Remember when TM said that they almost had KC putting an X on the map showing where the remains were. Then CA exploded on the scene ruining the progress they were making with KC? It could be possible that GA and DC got KC to mark the spot later leaving TM, LE and LP out of the picture at that time.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The whole abandoned house thing does not fit with what Ginette and Luke were writing in emails to Dominic. They were telling him to look at houses with occupants, for a sighting of a LIVE Caylee. They were not telling him to go digging in the ground anywhere. They did not tell him to look at any "abandoned" houses. They always had tips as to WHO - living person had Caylee. They never said go to this empty field and walk 10 paces and start poking around with your rod .... the only "dead" tip on finding Caylee was a forwarded message from another psychic who said she was in the Greenwood Cemetery.

Someone had mentioned in an earlier post that there are some emails missing. I went to the emails and began comparing the pdf #'s to the page #'s on the documents. For instance the emails begin with page #20425 which corresponds to pdf #1. When you scroll down to page #20650 it corresponds to pdf #127 even though you've advanced 225 pages according to the numbers but only 127 pages according to the pdf page numbers. So where are the missing 100 pages or why number them out of sequence?

(because the page numbers are written over and further confuse the matter, the 5's are written over with 6's, another example is, if you scroll to pdf #143 it corresponds to page #20666, a difference of 241 pages.)

It would take too long to figure out what is wrong with the pages but for some reason, they have left out a chunk of pages or numbered the pages out of sequence. This leads me to believe that we are not reading all of the emails that LE has. Therefore, I'm not sure we can determine who said what to whom first if we don't have all the emails. :waitasec:

If someone looks at the email docs and sees that I've made an obvious mistake, please let me/us know.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I thought we were only reading emails pertaining to the psychic? Is that right? Would that explain the missing pages....that they are emails discussing other leads that DC was following?

 

[LambChop]

I thought we were only reading emails pertaining to the psychic? Is that right? Would that explain the missing pages....that they are emails discussing other leads that DC was following?

My guess is some of the emails do not pertain to this case and have been excluded. I'm sure DC email more than just CA/GA/LP/GL and others who have nothing to do with the case. There may be private information on people who are perfectly innocent DC may have been emailing other PI's about. jmo

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I thought we were only reading emails pertaining to the psychic? Is that right? Would that explain the missing pages....that they are emails discussing other leads that DC was following?

I'm not sure but if you didn't look closely you'd assume all the emails between DC and LP (and some from GL) between mid June and ? were printed out and then numbered. So you'd think the numbers would go in sequence. I don't think DC and LC were only discussing psychic leads. The pdf pages go from 1 to 1824 but the Page numbers begin with #20425 so you have to take sections and subtract.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

My guess is some of the emails do not pertain to this case and have been excluded. I'm sure DC email more than just CA/GA/LP/GL and others who have nothing to do with the case. There may be private information on people who are perfectly innocent DC may have been emailing other PI's about. jmo

Why wouldn't they remove the irrelevent emails prior to numbering the documents that are relative to the case? The numbers are hand written in the lower right corner of the page. Therefore the LP/DC/GL emails begin around page 20,425. I don't understand why they would number emails not pertaining to Caylee's case. :waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

Why wouldn't they remove them prior to numbering the documents that are relative to the case? The numbers are hand written in the lower right corner of the page. Therefore the LP/DC/GL emails begin around page 20,425. I don't understand why they would number emails not pertaining to Caylee's case. :waitasec:

Because defense would say they were hiding evidence same as they are doing with the TES records. SA is under no obligation to release emails from DC that have nothing to do with the case. Defense may have gotten them but they would not be released under Sunshine. This is a guess but if a tech working for SA prints out all DC's emails, they review them and mark certain ones that will not be released, (such as "Hi, honey I'll be home in an hour for dinner.") Has nothing to do with the case and why release the email address of someone perfectly innocent.

Also Page 20,425 is the page numbering for discovery. Pages 1 through 18XX are the numbers for the doc dump. I believe the attorneys here stated we do not always get all the information LE gathered, only what they plan to use. jmo

 

[countzero]

Why wouldn't they remove the irrelevent emails prior to numbering the documents that are relative to the case? The numbers are hand written in the lower right corner of the page. Therefore the LP/DC/GL emails begin around page 20,425. I don't understand why they would number emails not pertaining to Caylee's case. :waitasec:

Way to go w.b.g .... hopefully these missing pages will be released in a future doc release. If not, then we know they weren't connected to the subject of GL/LPhillips and DC during this time period.

I am wondering if some of these emails could be lingering in the other doc release we had earlier. The one with emails to/from CA-DC and various others. Do you or anyone else remember if LPhillips/GL emails were included back in this doc.

What I have noticed in a trend about the SAO releasing doc dumps, is that the more important they are, the SAO holds on to them longer. Take CA's LE interview that took place 7.31.08. We are, well I am, waiting for it to be released hopefully this week.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Because defense would say they were hiding evidence same as they are doing with the TES records. SA is under no obligation to release emails from DC that have nothing to do with the case. Defense may have gotten them but they would not be released under Sunshine. This is a guess but if a tech working for SA prints out all DC's emails, they review them and mark certain ones that will not be released, (such as "Hi, honey I'll be home in an hour for dinner.") Has nothing to do with the case and why release the email address of someone perfectly innocent.

Also Page 20,425 is the page numbering for discovery. Pages 1 through 18XX are the numbers for the doc dump. I believe the attorneys here stated we do not always get all the information LE gathered, only what they plan to use. jmo

Yes I know that the written page numbers are the ones for discovery. That's my point that we don't always get all of the discovery. There is no way to tell especially since the emails are out of sequence if we are seeing all the emails that pertain to our interests here. That is my point exactly.

 

[LambChop]

Yes I know that the written page numbers are the ones for discovery. That's my point that we don't always get all of the discovery. There is no way to tell especially since the emails are out of sequence if we are seeing all the emails that pertain to our interests here. That is my point exactly.

I understand what you are saying but I don't think SA is concerned about "our interests here" as much as they are about giving defense everything they need. I do know it was mentioned that some of the documents are not released under Sunshine but did not say why. jmo

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Way to go w.b.g .... hopefully these missing pages will be released in a future doc release. If not, then we know they weren't connected to the subject of GL/LPhillips and DC during this time period.

I am wondering if some of these emails could be lingering in the other doc release we had earlier. The one with emails to/from CA-DC and various others. Do you or anyone else remember if LPhillips/GL emails were included back in this doc.

What I have noticed in a trend about the SAO releasing doc dumps, is that the more important they are, the SAO holds on to them longer. Take CA's LE interview that took place 7.31.08. We are, well I am, waiting for it to be released hopefully this week.

Yes, that's what I meant. That unless we can read all the emails in sequence, it's difficult to draw any conclusions as to who said what to who first unless you analyze the page numbers to the totality of the email exchanges. Then there is no way to tell from emails if other forms of communication took place so we can't 'conclude' a sequence yet.

Also I think I saw posts mentioning LP and GL as early as February (now I can't remember 2009 or 2010). But they went over my head at the time - that I'm sure of.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I understand what you are saying but I don't think SA is concerned about "our interests here" as much as they are about giving defense everything they need. I do know it was mentioned that some of the documents are not released under Sunshine but did not say why. jmo

You're taxing me LambChop. I get that. I'm responding to the thread as a whole since another poster was trying to draw a conclusion that DC provided LP with the map. That is probably true but we cannot know that conclusively yet because we have possibly not been provided all of the discovery.

I'm not on a side here - I'm just posting what occurs to me based on the aspects we are discussing. Maybe it comes across differently because, for some reason, I sense argumentitive responses to what I feel was a neutral post on my part.

 

[LambChop]

You're taxing me LambChop. I get that. I'm responding to the thread as a whole since another poster was trying to draw a conclusion that DC provided LP with the map. That is probably true but we cannot know that conclusively yet because we have possibly not been provided all of the discovery.

I'm not on a side here - I'm just posting what occurs to me based on the aspects we are discussing. Maybe it comes across differently because, for some reason, I sense argumentitive responses to what I feel was a neutral post on my part.

I am sorry that is your interpretation of what I said. If it upsets you I will no longer comment on your posts. There was no ill-will intented. I was just posting a view. Sorry you are upset. As always it is jmo.

 

[countzero]

You're taxing me LambChop. I get that. I'm responding to the thread as a whole since another poster was trying to draw a conclusion that DC provided LP with the map. That is probably true but we cannot know that conclusively yet because we have possibly not been provided all of the discovery.

I'm not on a side here - I'm just posting what occurs to me based on the aspects we are discussing. Maybe it comes across differently because, for some reason, I sense argumentitive responses to what I feel was a neutral post on my part.

Hi, I am not sensing any negative or argumentative responses.

I do understand that the doc dumps can be frustrating more than they need to be. I have to read, and I mean read and let it sink in to my wee brain cells, all the posts by the experts and legal ones on our forum have to say about certain issues I as a lay person thought were important. But aren't in the complete picture of what the SAO is accomplishing. What seemed important to me, wasn't really. All in all, my opinions only count for one, me. My brain has somewhat adjusted to this, but like my need on the thread about Caylee's doctor or records not being released, it took Joypath and Faefrost to set me straight.

Of course this is just me .... I would have liked the docs to have been released in chronological order then again, I wish Caylee was still living and safe with a family who loved her unconditionally and there wasn't a need for this.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I am sorry that is your interpretation of what I said. If it upsets you I will no longer comment on your posts. There was no ill-will intented. I was just posting a view. Sorry you are upset. As always it is jmo.

LambChop, I'm not upset. I said I felt taxed as if I was being misunderstood. I felt as if you were repeating the same point I was making or not understanding the point I was trying to make.
I feel no ill-will. I just felt confused by your responses. :waitasec: So what else is new! That doesn't sound right either - I don't mean by your responses!

If we can't debate, go-back-and-forth, we can't have a discussion. When I feel taxed it means I'm being challenged to explain myself. Then I wonder why my message isn't coming across clearly.

 

[countzero]

w.b.g. .... I challenge myself every day, believe me. :dance:

 

[LambChop]

LambChop, I'm not upset. I said I felt taxed as if I was being misunderstood. I felt as if you were repeating the same point I was making or not understanding the point I was trying to make.
I feel no ill-will. I just felt confused by your responses. :waitasec: So what else is new! That doesn't sound right either - I don't mean by your responses!

If we can't debate, go-back-and-forth, we can't have a discussion. When I feel taxed it means I'm being challenged to explain myself. Then I wonder why my message isn't coming across clearly.

I did not mean to upset you just trying to explain why we don't always get everything. I know SA releases information because they have to. If there is a reason not to, or if it has sensitive information I would think they would not release it and that may be why there are missing numbers. Their whole case is cataloged by numbers for reference purposes but that would not mean we get it all. I do agree it leaves us with a feeling of what happened to the rest but my guess is we do not get to see it. As in the pictures of Caylee....we will not see them but they will be presented at trial and are numbered as well.

Maybe the legal eagles would know, I am just guessing and getting this from bits and pieces I have heard. But you are right, it would be nice to know what happened to those pages.... jmo

 

[LambChop]

w.b.g. .... I challenge myself every day, believe me. :dance:

Don't we all. Two babies just pulled from a river...mother arrested for leaving the scene. Does this ever end?