2010.08.22 Brad Conway speaks out on Steph Watts show

[The World According]

EXACTLY! and to add to that ... I do not give BC credit for Cindy's softer image with her hair and clothing and tone of voice and witness testimony delivery ... that was ALL the efforts of her MEDIA coach, Jim L. He is the one who instructed her to tone it down, if she hopes to ever have a chance at media opportunities in the future.

Think Tank, I have no more use for Brad than I do Dominic or Hoover. I do not think he or any other lawyer is even remotely intimidated by Jose Baez who cannot even get the margins in a legal document correct. I just thought it was hysterical all of the dots he put so close together so the listener would infer what we all knew...it is all a pack of lies, always has been and Casey has no hope of prevailing. I do not think he divests his right to make a bar complaint, if he waits until after the trial. I do indeed think Mr. Baez hasn't heard the last of several stunts he has pulled.

I wasn't taking up for Brad, save for folks thinking he must be lying for not divulging he at one time during these nineteen months was paid what he should have been paid monthly. Three grand wont last long when you have normal overhead and salaries to pay.

Outside of that I think he is weak and could take a lesson from comparing the style of Judge Perry. He needs to mean what he says and LEAD. I will never be able to reconcile him staying on with the Anthonys while they were doing as they did to Jesse, Amy, Ricardo and Mr. Kronk. I will never respect that. In many ways he enabled them by not setting them straight or resigning his post. I would have been LATE for the door.

The smuck who is their next attorney, cannot say they don't know what they are getting themselves in to. Folks in Australia know!!

 

[Solace]

Well here's something I just found out. I never knew there was an email about this;

Link

Did Cindy Anthony Obstruct Justice?
By Steve Huff

The TV station has given the FBI an e-mail message forwarded to them by former Anthony family spokesperson Larry Garrison. If the message was written by Cindy Anthony, it may indicate her role in attempting to cover for daughter, Casey Anthony, who is facing charges that she murdered her 3-year-old daughter Caylee in June, 2008.

Essentially, the e-mail seems to indicate that Cindy Anthony gave the wrong hairbrush to police when they asked her for a source of DNA they could use to compare likely DNA from Caylee to DNA found in the trunk of a vehicle Casey Anthony abandoned around the time of her daughter's disappearance.

In the e-mail in question, Cindy Anthony allegedly told Garrison that she "never lied" to police. Instead, Cindy wrote that she "never went to my bathroom to get the hairbrush that I used only for Caylee...."


Evidently she's never heard of a lie by omission.


Here's a link to the email; http://www.wftv.com/news/18145599/detail.html

It is incredible how stupid this woman is. What was the point of her lying by omission. What is the point - she was angry with the police at that point and decided I am not giving them the hairbrush?

 

[countzero]

Hi Beach, I am not convinced the SAOs have much compassion left for the A clan now at this point in time. I do believe they are wise not to bring any charges prior to the trial. But I am of the belief that after the trial, all bets are off.

As for Brad well I believe he saw an opportunity never realizing the cost of his moral and ethics it would cause him to question about hisself. I believe he thought he could handle the situation and his clients. With each and every issue and/or negative situation CA & GA created, he probably thought he could negate some of the damage they did to themselves.

Doesn't matter what I think anyway. What will matter is this; what Brad does in the future in terms of the relationship with the A clan and the trial.

Will Brad continue to placate the As, or will he stand up for Caylee?

 

[Solace]

Check your battery, I think your watch stopped!!! She is going to have a field day with him for laughing off the Zanny story. Loosely interpreted, there was no Zanny, that is not to be believed, everything from top to bottom that my clients have said for two years on that topic is just not to be believed. Indeed he chuckled at it. I was glad to hear him say it!

Hi TWA,

Can you tell me how the question was posed and how he answered. I did not get a chance to listen in and I am so interested in this part of the interview. Also, any one know if there is a transcript of it? Thanks, Solace

 

[wildchild1961]

Well, so far, they have yet to be criminally charged with obstruction of justice, accessory to a crime, tampering with evidence, lying to LE, etc... Not sure that is due to Conway's advice or the SA's compassion for them as the grandparents of a murdered child. Probably both. But, it cannot be discounted that Conway was advising them during that time.

IMO.. Le is waiting to charge them until after the trial for a couple of very good reasons.

#1. CA (mostly) and GA CONTINUALLY offer up more fuel for the charges so they are in fact, helping LE with stronger charges.
#2. Charges against "grieving grandparents" at this point in time.. could backfire in the media in a big way.. depending on the way the wind blows on the day they are charged. It might even gain Casey some sympathy, which is not good. Whereas if LE waits until after the trial.. all the information is in, they have their verdict.. and who honestly would care if Casey's parents are charged also.

wild

 

[Solace]

IMO.. Le is waiting to charge them until after the trial for a couple of very good reasons.

#1. CA (mostly) and GA CONTINUALLY offer up more fuel for the charges so they are in fact, helping LE with stronger charges.
#2. Charges against "grieving grandparents" at this point in time.. could backfire in the media in a big way.. depending on the way the wind blows on the day they are charged. It might even gain Casey some sympathy, which is not good. Whereas if LE waits until after the trial.. all the information is in, they have their verdict.. and who honestly would care if Casey's parents are charged also.

wild

It is a horrible crime, but Caylee has been lost in it and that has a lot to do with how Cindy is acting. It is almost as though Caylee does not exist anymore - so who cares - lets take care of KC.

Lee comes across as needing ten doctors with his nonstop laughter - he is in a courtroom where his sister may be sentenced to death and he is laughing.

I know my family is dysfunctional, but I think they got me beat.

I think George's favorite expression is "you gotta be kiddin me" and Cindy is hopelessly trying to save KC who could care less about her.

She will use them until they are dry.

Wait till they start with the sexual abuse by George at trial and they WILL. I don't think we will be seeing anymore interviews of his standing by his daughter when that happens. It is all they have and they are going to use it.

 

[logicalgirl]

Well, so far, they have yet to be criminally charged with obstruction of justice, accessory to a crime, tampering with evidence, lying to LE, etc... Not sure that is due to Conway's advice or the SA's compassion for them as the grandparents of a murdered child. Probably both. But, it cannot be discounted that Conway was advising them during that time.

Didn't AZLawyer say there probably was no chance they would be charged because while they have been out creating what could be considered public mischief, most of their crimes don't rise to affecting the primary evidence in this upcoming trial.

For example, giving the LE the wrong hairbrush - silly, annoying, but there were other sources for Caylee's hair. Washing ICA's pants when there may have been evidence on them. There may not have been also - maybe they just stank. Cleaning out the trunk of the car - sure - but how is SA going to prove that if the vacuums and shampooers came back clean? Like I say - we make a big deal about it because we are shocked someone would get in the way of justice for Caylee, especially her grandparents, but I think the SA can't be bothered with charging them with petty stuff in view of what evidence they actually have in hand. They are just bit players, that's what Cindy can't grasp.

Now if they can prove someone in the family was involved in the actually killing and disposal of little Caylee, then they may really need a real lawyer.

Baez doesn't seem concerned about their "vulnerabilities" and when he tells Cindy to "zip it" she actually does.

 

[Paintr]

Didn't AZLawyer say there probably was no chance they would be charged because while they have been out creating what could be considered public mischief, most of their crimes don't rise to affecting the primary evidence in this upcoming trial.

For example, giving the LE the wrong hairbrush - silly, annoying, but there were other sources for Caylee's hair. Washing ICA's pants when there may have been evidence on them. There may not have been also - maybe they just stank. Cleaning out the trunk of the car - sure - but how is SA going to prove that if the vacuums and shampooers came back clean? Like I say - we make a big deal about it because we are shocked someone would get in the way of justice for Caylee, especially her grandparents, but I think the SA can't be bothered with charging them with petty stuff in view of what evidence they actually have in hand. They are just bit players, that's what Cindy can't grasp.

Now if they can prove someone in the family was involved in the actually killing and disposal of little Caylee, then they may really need a real lawyer.

Baez doesn't seem concerned about their "vulnerabilities" and when he tells Cindy to "zip it" she actually does.

I really can't see the SA charging the senior Anthonys with anything. Too many still see the A's as 'grieving grandparents'. It would bring bad press to the SA's office.

However, I do wonder about federal charges concerning the fund raising and the CMA Fund? :waitasec:

 

[Steely Dan]

It is incredible how stupid this woman is. What was the point of her lying by omission. What is the point - she was angry with the police at that point and decided I am not giving them the hairbrush?

She believed, IMO, that it wasn't illegal because she never told them it was Caylees brush. I think she thought that if the DNA on the hair didn't match the DNA in the trunk that it would help exonerate KC because they hadn't found the body yet and there would be no proof Caylee was dead. She might have gotten away with it looking like an innocent mistake if it wasn't for the email she sent Nejame. If she intentionally did it then she's in trouble.

Think Tank, I have no more use for Brad than I do Dominic or Hoover. I do not think he or any other lawyer is even remotely intimidated by Jose Baez who cannot even get the margins in a legal document correct. I just thought it was hysterical all of the dots he put so close together so the listener would infer what we all knew...it is all a pack of lies, always has been and Casey has no hope of prevailing. I do not think he divests his right to make a bar complaint, if he waits until after the trial. I do indeed think Mr. Baez hasn't heard the last of several stunts he has pulled.

I wasn't taking up for Brad, save for folks thinking he must be lying for not divulging he at one time during these nineteen months was paid what he should have been paid monthly. Three grand wont last long when you have normal overhead and salaries to pay.

Outside of that I think he is weak and could take a lesson from comparing the style of Judge Perry. He needs to mean what he says and LEAD. I will never be able to reconcile him staying on with the Anthonys while they were doing as they did to Jesse, Amy, Ricardo and Mr. Kronk. I will never respect that. In many ways he enabled them by not setting them straight or resigning his post. I would have been LATE for the door.

The smuck who is their next attorney, cannot say they don't know what they are getting themselves in to. Folks in Australia know!!

BBM

I understand your point and I agree with the expenses explanation but lawyers are supposed to follow a strict code of conduct. While I don't think he's legally responsible to divulge that info. It would look a lot better if he said what monies he got and explained it was for expenses. JMO

Hi Beach, I am not convinced the SAOs have much compassion left for the A clan now at this point in time. I do believe they are wise not to bring any charges prior to the trial. But I am of the belief that after the trial, all bets are off.

As for Brad well I believe he saw an opportunity never realizing the cost of his moral and ethics it would cause him to question about hisself. I believe he thought he could handle the situation and his clients. With each and every issue and/or negative situation CA & GA created, he probably thought he could negate some of the damage they did to themselves.

Doesn't matter what I think anyway. What will matter is this; what Brad does in the future in terms of the relationship with the A clan and the trial.

Will Brad continue to placate the As, or will he stand up for Caylee?

Top BBM

The SAO may be waiting for after the trial because they want to see if CA or anyone else in the clan will do more things between now and the trial to obstruct justice.

Does anyone know if CA's emails to DC have been released in a Doc dump yet?

 

[drip~drop]

She believed, IMO, that it wasn't illegal because she never told them it was Caylees brush. I think she thought that if the DNA on the hair didn't match the DNA in the trunk that it would help exonerate KC because they hadn't found the body yet and there would be no proof Caylee was dead. She might have gotten away with it looking like an innocent mistake if it wasn't for the email she sent Nejame. If she intentionally did it then she's in trouble.



BBM

I understand your point and I agree with the expenses explanation but lawyers are supposed to follow a strict code of conduct. While I don't think he's legally responsible to divulge that info. It would look a lot better if he said what monies he got and explained it was for expenses. JMO



Top BBM

The SAO may be waiting for after the trial because they want to see if CA or anyone else in the clan will do more things between now and the trial to obstruct justice.

Does anyone know if CA's emails to DC have been released in a Doc dump yet?

#5 wouldn't work but #6 is great!:woohoo:

Withholding Caylees brush may not have been illegal (?) but it was beyond dirty to do that. imo

 

[Steely Dan]

#5 wouldn't work but #6 is great!:woohoo:

Withholding Caylees brush may not have been illegal (?) but it was beyond dirty to do that. imo

Dirty isn't the word. Borderline criminal and in fact may be criminal, if proved to be intentional. JMO

#5 works fine for me? :waitasec: If you try it again you'll get to see an emu lay an egg. :dance:

"Oh my dog. Oh long John, oh long Johnson. Oh Don Piano. Why I eyes ya, all the live long day." :laugh:

I take it you're not a fan of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog. :snooty:

 

[Dear Prudence]

Dirty isn't the word. Borderline criminal and in fact may be criminal, if proved to be intentional. JMO

#5 works fine for me? :waitasec: If you try it again you'll get to see an emu lay an egg. :dance:

"Oh my dog. Oh long John, oh long Johnson. Oh Don Piano. Why I eyes ya, all the live long day." :laugh:

I take it you're not a fan of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog. :snooty:

I loved the Triumph with the Star Wars nerds videos, hilariously! I can so picture Lee A. as one of those nerds.

 

[beach]

Didn't AZLawyer say there probably was no chance they would be charged because while they have been out creating what could be considered public mischief, most of their crimes don't rise to affecting the primary evidence in this upcoming trial.

For example, giving the LE the wrong hairbrush - silly, annoying, but there were other sources for Caylee's hair. Washing ICA's pants when there may have been evidence on them. There may not have been also - maybe they just stank. Cleaning out the trunk of the car - sure - but how is SA going to prove that if the vacuums and shampooers came back clean? Like I say - we make a big deal about it because we are shocked someone would get in the way of justice for Caylee, especially her grandparents, but I think the SA can't be bothered with charging them with petty stuff in view of what evidence they actually have in hand. They are just bit players, that's what Cindy can't grasp.

Now if they can prove someone in the family was involved in the actually killing and disposal of little Caylee, then they may really need a real lawyer.

Baez doesn't seem concerned about their "vulnerabilities" and when he tells Cindy to "zip it" she actually does.

I don't recall seeing that post, but I understand what AZ is saying. I don't necessarily agree, though. I do think they have crossed the line and could be charged criminally. In fact, in that interview Conway confims that the SA was, and still could be, considering charging them. IIRC, he mentioned obstruction charges.

Personally, I'm not sure the SA will ever formally charge either of them.

 

[logicalgirl]

I don't recall seeing that post, but I understand what AZ is saying. I don't necessarily agree, though. I do think they have crossed the line and could be charged criminally. In fact, in that interview Conway confims that the SA was, and still could be, considering charging them. IIRC, he mentioned obstruction charges.

Personally, I'm not sure the SA will ever formally charge either of them.

Really I'm not trying to be picky here, but I'm going to go back and re-listen, cause I thought I heard him say yes, they could still fact obstruction charges which to me was legalese for "or not - maybe yes, maybe no - who knows what the SA will do but the possibility is there."

But I didn't hear him say the SA is thinking about charging them - when did we get to know what the SA is thinking? We get silence from them except in motions or in hearings, don't we?

I think I'm just having a hard day with these people who all seem to want some kind of fame and are using this babe's death to get it.

 

[beach]

Really I'm not trying to be picky here, but I'm going to go back and re-listen, cause I thought I heard him say yes, they could still fact obstruction charges which to me was legalese for "or not - maybe yes, maybe no - who knows what the SA will do but the possibility is there."

But I didn't hear him say the SA is thinking about charging them - when did we get to know what the SA is thinking? We get silence from them except in motions or in hearings, don't we?

I think I'm just having a hard day with these people who all seem to want some kind of fame and are using this babe's death to get it.

Maybe my word choice was poor. I don't know.

"the possibility"..."considering"..."thinking about" Sorry, I just don't see the big difference.

I don't have any clue what the SA is thinking. I was only sharing my interpretation of what Conway said during the interview.

 

[joypath]

:twocents:Can we clear up an issue about the hair brush?:twocents: IT WAS NOT an obstruction of justice per se as the brush DID contain exemplars of the victim! What Cindy did was provide the laboratory staff with what we call a "mixed sample"; yes, she may have led LE to "ASSUME" that it was going to provide a "pure sample" of just the victim's DNA (CAYLEE'S HAIR) but I betcha she just handed it over and said "here's a brush we use for Caylee"., neglecting to mention that it was the "FAMILY brush!":furious:

:waitasec:HOW did this brush incident effect the laboratory testing?:waitasec:......IT caused major headaches in matching the profiles because the hair samples had to be separated into individualized owner profiles' DNA and the RETESTED to achieve pure profiles (think a somebody hands you a HUGE basket of brown & white eggs, both raw & hard boiled and you have to gingerly separate them before you can use them for a brown egg omelet). Not an "eggactly" perfect example but you get the scrambled idea!:dance:

 

[Bathbuddys]

Thanks, if he overheard a conversation with KC and Baez, for instance, could he write about that? If he knew that CA lied to police about knowing where the body was could he write about that? :waitasec:

If he heard Baez and KC , yes he could as he was not her attorney.
If he knew Cindy lied to police,, yes, if he was not her attorney of course he could. You and I could if we heard them talking. why not?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

:twocents:Can we clear up an issue about the hair brush?:twocents: IT WAS NOT an obstruction of justice per se as the brush DID contain exemplars of the victim! What Cindy did was provide the laboratory staff with what we call a "mixed sample"; yes, she may have led LE to "ASSUME" that it was going to provide a "pure sample" of just the victim's DNA (CAYLEE'S HAIR) but I betcha she just handed it over and said "here's a brush we use for Caylee"., neglecting to mention that it was the "FAMILY brush!":furious:

:waitasec:HOW did this brush incident effect the laboratory testing?:waitasec:......IT caused major headaches in matching the profiles because the hair samples had to be separated into individualized owner profiles' DNA and the RETESTED to achieve pure profiles (think a somebody hands you a HUGE basket of brown & white eggs, both raw & hard boiled and you have to gingerly separate them before you can use them for a brown egg omelet). Not an "eggactly" perfect example but you get the scrambled idea!:dance:

It was still a hideously unconscionable thing to do, and completely destroys her credibility when she whines about wanting to find Caylee. She was trying to protect casey.moo

 

[ZsaZsa]

:twocents:Can we clear up an issue about the hair brush?:twocents: IT WAS NOT an obstruction of justice per se as the brush DID contain exemplars of the victim! What Cindy did was provide the laboratory staff with what we call a "mixed sample"; yes, she may have led LE to "ASSUME" that it was going to provide a "pure sample" of just the victim's DNA (CAYLEE'S HAIR) but I betcha she just handed it over and said "here's a brush we use for Caylee"., neglecting to mention that it was the "FAMILY brush!":furious:

:waitasec:HOW did this brush incident effect the laboratory testing?:waitasec:......IT caused major headaches in matching the profiles because the hair samples had to be separated into individualized owner profiles' DNA and the RETESTED to achieve pure profiles (think a somebody hands you a HUGE basket of brown & white eggs, both raw & hard boiled and you have to gingerly separate them before you can use them for a brown egg omelet). Not an "eggactly" perfect example but you get the scrambled idea!:dance:

The results turned out OK, but no thanks to Cindy. It was her intent to obstruct the investigation, that is what counts here, whether her actions fit a legal definition or not.

 

[joypath]

Hey guys....I'm not defending her actions! :banghead: JUST showing how this "lovely bunch of coconuts" seem to be able to dance along the high wire without falling off and when they do fall, by gum and golly, there's a net to catch 'em!

I'm hoping that SOMEBODY is keeping score and watching for the "really big one" when they can swoop down and charge them with something, heck even parking on the wrong side of the street in front of the courthouse will do!:blushing: