2010.10.11 - "Red Goo Glove" found on Baker property

[DLT88]

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Search-warrant-reveals-new-details-in-Zahra-Baker-case-104736309.html

NOt sure what to make of the red goo-filled glove,with the bad smell.

Wow, and the search warrant says some blood was recovered, although it doesn't say where. Wonder what the red goo is as blood would be black by this time. And he says "filled", but I'm guessing he just means it was all over the outside of the glove. Boy, doesn't it remind you of OJ? If this glove is incriminating, Zahra was surely murdered and didn't just die on her own unless EB thinks bleeding to death after an attack is dying on her own. Yeesh, don't know what to think. I do know EB will go to hell, but she should like that since she likes the dark side.

 

[DLT88]

The red goo could also be fluids used for machinery, hydraulic fluid, oil, grease, etc. Bearing grease is often a heavy red goo, like a red Vasseline.

http://gastiresoil.blogsome.com/images/bearing1.jpg

But why would somebody try and hide it in a bush, though......

 

[DLT88]

Exactly... I totally agree, and thanks for saying it. I tried to talk around it in my post above b/c this whole scenario is just so awful and tragic, almost unimaginable.

Yeah, especially if you have damp weather there, right?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Wow, and the search warrant says some blood was recovered, although it doesn't say where. Wonder what the red goo is as blood would be black by this time. And he says "filled", but I'm guessing he just means it was all over the outside of the glove. Boy, doesn't it remind you of OJ? If this glove is incriminating, Zahra was surely murdered and didn't just die on her own unless ZB thinks bleeding to death after an attack is dying on her own. Yeesh, don't know what to think. I do know ZB will go to hell, but she should like that since she likes the dark side.

Umm - you might want to correct this. EB will go to he77 not ZB. Just a typo but still needs to be fixed.

 

[DLT88]

Umm - you might want to correct this. EB will go to he77 not ZB. Just a typo but still needs to be fixed.

Oh gosh --- Thank you for catching that!!!! That's what I get for getting on the PC first thing in the morning! THANK YOU!! Ok, now let me see how to edit a past post....

 

[Linda7NJ]

But why would somebody try and hide it in a bush, though......

Idon't think it was hid there, simply accidentially dropped.

I do agree the blood would have been black, if it smelled awful like decomp

 

[passionflower]

What is odd to me, LE never mentioned the glove.........
Making me think it is very important.
What made EB/AB go to that former home?
IIRC someone smelled something bad around there also.
Is Zahra scattered around there, Christy Rd, wood piles?
mulch? work place? other peoples property?
If you are local, please check all of your yard especially if
you live near any of these spots.

 

[Herding Cats]

Would blood still be red after some time? (wouldn't it turn brown) Would old blood smell?

Thanks

Once blood has dried, it turns a maroon-brown color, and does not smell. Color can be decieving, though, and also depends on what else (if anything) was with the blood, and what color the glove was. If blood dries on my nursing gloves, for example, which are white/tan, it will stay reddish for a while. But if the glove is blue, the blood can turn purple-ish, simply because of the background color. Meaning, the blood remains the same 'color' (brownish-maroon), but can appear purple-ish because of reflected color from the glove.

As for it being "inside", the only way something which was on the outside of the glove is now inside is if the glove has been turned inside out. That is the way I take off my gloves, so that I won't expose myself to anything...both gloves end up inside out, and the stuff on them is contained inside it.

The consistancy of blood as it dries is a little like water. Fresh, it's fairly runny and not thick. As it dries/coagulates, it will tighten up, and form a crust. If it's a thin layer, it will dry without it being too tacky, but if it's a pool of it (as may be if in the inside out fingertip), then it will be 'gooey' or kind of like a loose pudding consistency. In other words, it would depend on how far along the drying process is, how thick the pool of blood is, and what the environment has been like (which contributes to the drying process).

As for odor, dried blood has very little odor. While it's drying, it will have an odor, but, to me, pure blood smells coppery, irony...even while drying. If there is pus, tissue, or contamination, yes, there will be a nasty smell...but pure blood doesn't really smell more than a bit "bad", like a hot copper penny. And once it dries, it has very little smell to the human nose.

However, if there is tissue mixed in, then there definitely will be a bad, nasty odor. And it will be gooey. When tissue decomps, it takes a lot longer to get dry than does a pool of blood. When they are mixed up together, it is a foul, gross puddle of yuck.

Hope this helps a bit...

Best-
Herding Cats

 

[tsisqua]

How long would it take to examine the DNA from the person who wore the glove if there was any? weeks? a month?

 

[CaseyLPC]

Getting DNA off of those gloves (of the person who was wearing them) might be difficult depending on the weather conditions and the length of time it was there. If the "goo" is acutally a blood or tissue substance then they should be able to get some from there.

 

[sunsetbeach]

Once blood has dried, it turns a maroon-brown color, and does not smell. Color can be decieving, though, and also depends on what else (if anything) was with the blood, and what color the glove was. If blood dries on my nursing gloves, for example, which are white/tan, it will stay reddish for a while. But if the glove is blue, the blood can turn purple-ish, simply because of the background color. Meaning, the blood remains the same 'color' (brownish-maroon), but can appear purple-ish because of reflected color from the glove.

As for it being "inside", the only way something which was on the outside of the glove is now inside is if the glove has been turned inside out. That is the way I take off my gloves, so that I won't expose myself to anything...both gloves end up inside out, and the stuff on them is contained inside it.

The consistancy of blood as it dries is a little like water. Fresh, it's fairly runny and not thick. As it dries/coagulates, it will tighten up, and form a crust. If it's a thin layer, it will dry without it being too tacky, but if it's a pool of it (as may be if in the inside out fingertip), then it will be 'gooey' or kind of like a loose pudding consistency. In other words, it would depend on how far along the drying process is, how thick the pool of blood is, and what the environment has been like (which contributes to the drying process).

As for odor, dried blood has very little odor. While it's drying, it will have an odor, but, to me, pure blood smells coppery, irony...even while drying. If there is pus, tissue, or contamination, yes, there will be a nasty smell...but pure blood doesn't really smell more than a bit "bad", like a hot copper penny. And once it dries, it has very little smell to the human nose.

However, if there is tissue mixed in, then there definitely will be a bad, nasty odor. And it will be gooey. When tissue decomps, it takes a lot longer to get dry than does a pool of blood. When they are mixed up together, it is a foul, gross puddle of yuck.

Hope this helps a bit...

Best-
Herding Cats

A simple thanks was not enough ... this is an excellent post!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The red goo could also be fluids used for machinery, hydraulic fluid, oil, grease, etc. Bearing grease is often a heavy red goo, like a red Vasseline.

http://gastiresoil.blogsome.com/images/bearing1.jpg

That is the first thing I thought of Angleena. Hydraulic fluid is red. I have heard of people, who use these types of fluids or greases, packing a rubber or latex glove with it and then snip off one of the tips where a finger goes and uses it to force the grease or hydraulic fluid into the areas that needs lubricating on the machinery.

IMO

 

[miabellamoure]

Do we know yet if the glove found by Mr. Rotenberry was a work type glove or an latex exam glove...?

If it was a latex exam glove, and a box of exam gloves are discovered at the Baker house...I'm sure they will be able to identify it coming from the remaining gloves...or I hope so.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Here's a question--why was Charles Rottenberry there? It says in another article that:

Former neighbors who say they became close to the Bakers when they lived in nearby Sawmill, said they grew suspicious of Elisa Baker because of her far-fetched stories and quick temper. She once told them that she wrote songs for American Idol finalist Chris Daughtry, among other tall tales, according to Kayla Rotenberry. We knew they were lies," said, Rotenberry, 23. "She wasn't as nice as she seemed."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20019217-504083.html

Assuming that "Kayla Rotenberry" is a member of the same family as "Charles Rotenberry", it sounds like didn't live in this new neighborhood, and were not even friends of theirs any longer. Did these people come over to the property to help search when they heard the news story?

Another article states:

Kayla Rotenberry, who lived next to the Bakers for about a year in Sawmills, said Elisa Baker would force Zahra to walk long distances on her prosthetic leg, threatening punishment if she slowed down.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/zahra-bake...lleged-abuse-missing/story?id=11856868&page=2

SO could it mean that they found this glove near the backyard of the Bakers' former property? Is that why Charles Rotenberry had to CALL the police (which wouldn't have seemed necessary if it were on their current property, where police were already searching)?

Speculating.

I caught this too, Et. But just figured I was either confused, or the reporting was not up to par. I couldn't connect the dots to save my soul..couldn't even get the question straight to ask it here of others, so THANK YOU!

 

[tsisqua]

Do we know yet if the glove found by Mr. Rotenberry was a work type glove or an latex exam glove...?

If it was a latex exam glove, and a box of exam gloves are discovered at the Baker house...I'm sure they will be able to identify it coming from the remaining gloves...or I hope so.

It may be possible to get fingerprints as well.

 

[sarx]

Can someone clarify? Was this glove found at the Hickory Residence, the current home or an old home? Cuz, it's kinda sounding like the old home.....

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Can someone clarify? Was this glove found at the Hickory Residence, the current home or an old home? Cuz, it's kinda sounding like the old home.....

We don't quite know sarx. That's the problem here. If you read back - last night - someone caught the name of Rotenberry - that name was a previous neighbor in sawmills but was also the name of the "neighbor" that reported finding the glove.

We simply don't know if the media in reporting got the names mixed up or where exactly the glvoe was found.

 

[sarx]

ugh, ok, thanks. Well then, I think for now I'm going to leave this one alone, too many variables and without confirmation on when and where it was found, this could be completely nothing of connection. If we get more solid info on it I will take a further look. Thnx

 

[carbuff]

That is the first thing I thought of Angleena. Hydraulic fluid is red. I have heard of people, who use these types of fluids or greases, packing a rubber or latex glove with it and then snip off one of the tips where a finger goes and uses it to force the grease or hydraulic fluid into the areas that needs lubricating on the machinery.

IMO

I've seen my dad, who was a heavy equipment mechanic before he retired, use that trick a number of times. In the shop, there's a device kind of like a bike pump, with a hose and nipple that can be attached to force the grease into its reservoir, but that's bulky to carry out into the field. Any kind of glove works, though rubber is easiest. Latex tends to be too light and it sometimes pops when you try to squeeze it.

There's one particular kind that's a dark brownish red. I think it's the kind for rear-end bearings, but it's been a few years and I could be wrong about that. Many of the greases do smell bad, too, though nothing like rotting flesh.

 

[sarx]

Yep, there are several greases we use on equipment around here, that is thick and gooey and dark red and smells nasty.

And, when these people say "smells like rotting flesh" just exactly how many of them know what rotting flesh smells like? I suspect not too many....