2010.11.03 Third party involved?

[cluciano63]

Can time/date of death be that specific when a body isn't found for weeks? Usually, LE has to rely somewhat on last sighting of person to try to pin it down.

 

[Etilema]

I think the fact that in the warrants it was stated EB ,AY,KF,and little spitfire were all in IMVU but not AB. EBs phone pinged at ALL the dump sites NOT ABs speaks volumes and supports the assumption on [B]my part [/B] That AB was not involved. I also dont think the sept 24th date is correct. EB just wants AB to take the fall for her AY and SY.JMO

How would the September 24 date implicate AB? Are you saying perhaps it was actually done much closer to October 9, so that it could be possible AB didn't know about it?

Also, I am puzzled by the comment in the search warrant that all five IMVU accounts *except* AB's were active as of 10/29. Wasn't EB in jail at that time? By "active" do they mean that the account was still there and able to be used (rather than that it WAS still being actively used)? And would that imply that AB shut down his account?

Just wondering and speculating.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

People should remember there is an actual thread for whether you think AB was involved. I will bump it to make sure people see it.

I am not sure what the topic of this thread is any more.

 

[miimaa]

If it is true that only EBs cell phone pings were found in the pertinent areas then I think all along from the very beginning EB has been trying very hard to make sure AB takes the fall for Zahra's death.

Its a much better deal to be an accessory after the fact than confess to being a child murderer. I think EB is very diabolical in everything she does. She will sacrifice anyone and protect herself and possibly others.

I don't even believe her when she said Zahra died in September. Imo that is more bull pushing to insinuate that AB had to be involved.

Whatever happened to Zahra imo the truth does not lay with EB's empty words.

imo

or he left his cell phone at home

 

[Mrs G Norris]

How much do I want ping maps for these players ala the Casey Anthony case like YESTERDAY......I would love to be able to follow these peeps all over town. See if they met up, see what little trips they did / didn't go on. See when AB was / was not at work. See the day that two phones were together at the house before both drove off in two different directions and who's phones they were. At least we know LE has already been able to do this. Thank god for GPS technology and pinging...we love it.

 

[Kat]

Bringing forth the question posed by the OP.

"Could EB and accomplices be responsible for death/coverup - without AB's knowledge?"

Simply put---after today's news, no.

If the date is accurate that is being reported that EB states that Zahra was murdered if we assume that AB was unaware of her murder and EB and accomplices murdered and disposed of Zahra without his knowledge also---where in the world did he think she was between the dates of 24 SEP to day of the 911 call?

How could he have stated that he had seen her within the 24 hours prior to that 911 call?

Could there have been accomplices in the disposal. Possibly. I dunno.

I've held back and been cautious about commenting much on Zahra's murder, this one is for the books---like the Cantu case and Foster case---never seen anything like them and I've been avidly following true crime for most of my adult life. Honestly.

JMHO

 

[yosande]

Bringing forth the question posed by the OP.

"Could EB and accomplices be responsible for death/coverup - without AB's knowledge?"

Simply put---after today's news, no.

If the date is accurate that is being reported that EB states that Zahra was murdered if we assume that AB was unaware of her murder and EB and accomplices murdered and disposed of Zahra without his knowledge also---where in the world did he think she was between the dates of 24 SEP to day of the 911 call?

How could he have stated that he had seen her within the 24 hours prior to that 911 call?

Could there have been accomplices in the disposal. Possibly. I dunno.

I've held back and been cautious about commenting much on Zahra's murder, this one is for the books---like the Cantu case and Foster case---never seen anything like them and I've been avidly following true crime for most of my adult life. Honestly.

JMHO

bbm, He knew, imo.

This case is horrific. Why AB isn't in jail is beyond me. I don't get it.

 

[westsidefox64]

How would the September 24 date implicate AB? Are you saying perhaps it was actually done much closer to October 9, so that it could be possible AB didn't know about it?

Also, I am puzzled by the comment in the search warrant that all five IMVU accounts *except* AB's were active as of 10/29. Wasn't EB in jail at that time? By "active" do they mean that the account was still there and able to be used (rather than that it WAS still being actively used)? And would that imply that AB shut down his account?

Just wondering and speculating.

Thats exactly waht im saying. Why considering everything we know do you believe EBs timeline? She is trying to throw AB under the bus.In my opinion shes trying to save her soul mate(how many times have we heard that line)AY or possibly SY. Whats a few days to her. I have had people tell me all through this case I m stretching to find a reason for AB to not be guilty...I personally dont think im the one searching now

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, but if her agreement was based on truth, she would have to be some kind of dumb to lie about when Zahra died when that can be proven by autopsy. She would be setting herself up for a fall there. I can't imagine she would lie about when Zahra died just to have her agreement taken away once the autopsy is concluded. But who knows. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the autopsy says about time of death.

My gut still tells me that AB was involved somehow, though.

Have they released the COD and TOD yet?

With the condition of Zahra's body a ME is never going to be able to pinpoint exactly when she died, imo.

Also COD may be undetermined also unless she was poisoned and the tox tests show that.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Bringing forth the question posed by the OP.

"Could EB and accomplices be responsible for death/coverup - without AB's knowledge?"

Simply put---after today's news, no.

If the date is accurate that is being reported that EB states that Zahra was murdered if we assume that AB was unaware of her murder and EB and accomplices murdered and disposed of Zahra without his knowledge also---where in the world did he think she was between the dates of 24 SEP to day of the 911 call?

How could he have stated that he had seen her within the 24 hours prior to that 911 call?

Could there have been accomplices in the disposal. Possibly. I dunno.

I've held back and been cautious about commenting much on Zahra's murder, this one is for the books---like the Cantu case and Foster case---never seen anything like them and I've been avidly following true crime for most of my adult life. Honestly.

JMHO

The problem I have.... I dont believe a word that comes out of EBs mouth.

IMO

 

[Allusonz]

No this is not adding up

We have 3 people not involved stating that she was seen on the 25th

We can all pretty much assume that she did not die from being ill

We have EB's cell phone pings being at the dumping places but not the days they did indeed ping from there. Some are saying they switched phones. As yet I have no proof that did happen

We have the possibility that she may of and if i recall that was kinda unproven been sexually abused but do we really have the proof either way? No

What is new maybe to some is that AY and a few other people have come under scrutiny

I as well have to state that I believe nothing that comes from EB's mouth. PERIOD.

So unless we get some verification we cannot go rampant on assumptions MOO

 

[qtrmlr]

The problem I have.... I dont believe a word that comes out of EBs mouth.

IMO

but His mouth said I saw/looked in on her that morning...eh tuesday..eh thursday....

 

[westsidefox64]

How can zahra be seen on the 25th if shes dead on the 24th?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

How can zahra be seen on the 25th if shes dead on the 24th?

That is why I think LE is not buying the boatload of bull that EB is trying to sell. And why she is still locked up and AB is not.

 

[Etilema]

How can zahra be seen on the 25th if shes dead on the 24th?

Could be one or the other (or both) dates are a day or so off. (Either EB remembered it as the 24th when it was actually the 25th or the furniture employees remembered it as the 25th when it was actually the 24th.) Or maybe the store sighting was false/mistaken.

Just speculating.

 

[tlcya]

yep to what OceanBE posted. So far the only thing she has told them that has been substantiated (that we know of) is that Zahra was dead and where to find remains. I think AB is not in jail because everything else out of her mouth they haven't been able to idenpendantly substantiate. They know where he is, he cannot leave, he is being "protected" (read kept an eye on movements). Once they have what they think they need on his involvement, they will act and not a minute before.

 

[Reannan]

How can zahra be seen on the 25th if shes dead on the 24th?

Someone is either lying or mistaken.

 

[tlcya]

Perhaps someone is lying because someone recalls that AB was with others at the actual TOD and dismemberment who could easily alibi him at that particular time therefore chose a date close to the actual one where blame for the grisly part COULD be shifted to AB? Just thinking out loud.

What disturbs me is AB's statements about when he last set eyes on Zahra and why they don't jibe up with ANY day in that vicinity?

 

[Allusonz]

Perhaps someone is lying because someone recalls that AB was with others at the actual TOD and dismemberment who could easily alibi him at that particular time therefore chose a date close to the actual one where blame for the grisly part COULD be shifted to AB? Just thinking out loud.

What disturbs me is AB's statements about when he last set eyes on Zahra and why they don't jibe up with ANY day in that vicinity?

hhhhhhmmmmmm

i have felt for some time that EB has been trying to throw AB under the wheels of a frieght train while trying to avoid both herself/and someone else

when i actually look at the places EB stated that things would be found she actually did not come up with alot, she gave general vacinities, the prosthetic we now know truly was not where most thought it was

i have always wondered about the fact that never was the wednesday mentioned, and in my sleep deprived brain i have come up with this

maybe LE did not want him to reveal the exact date...ducks again

 

[dar107]

Personally, I do not believe much of what comes out of AB or EB's mouths. Both are lying to cover themselves IMO. If Zarha was not deceased on Sept. 24th, I think it was close to this date. I don't know about the furniture store sighting but maybe the day was mistaken. EB's cell phone pings did put her in the disposal locations on the 25th, and i do not beleive she was out scoping each location 2 weeks before murdering Zahra. Nope I don't buy that. Don't care where Adam's phone was either. Does not mean zilch to me. Did the lady from the furniture store not say that there was another woman with EB and Z? Why have we never heard who this was, this person could confirm if Z was at the furniture store and her state of health, if she was ill. Something smells there IMO.

It gets so confusing remembering exactly when, for 100 percent sure when AB :dunno: last saw his daughter or spoke to her. Was it Wednesday Oct 6th? Nope I can't swallow that either. In my heart, I don't believe sweet Zahra lived to see October.