2010.11.29 Defense Initial Penalty Phase Witness List

[LambChop]

I think what they may try to show is that KC has a personality disorder. She changes her personality to suit the person she is with. But if this is true they will have to bring up the fight with CA and the choking and how KC reacted to her mother. In other words, if you were hit or beaten yourself as a child you may do the same to your child because of a personality disorder. Just a guess.

 

[Numbers]

Oh wow, school and employment awards? Nevermind that she never graduated high school and lied for two years about having a job...

I'd love to know what school award she got...neither is going to do squat for her, though. I do wonder if there are actual records of these, or did these "records" come from Cindy?

I'm confuddled about how the autopsy report will help keep her away from the DP.

"Well, it was just duct tape. Nothing like a knife or a gun, for Pete's sake."

Uh huh. No buyers on that one.

 

[ThinkTank]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6947242...ial-Penalty-Phase-Discovery-Response-Redacted

The Judge had given Finnell until January 31, 2011 to name her Mitigation Expert - but Finnell asks for an extension of time on that.

Atty Finnell wrote: "Investigation regarding witnesses to potential mental mitigation, including expert witnesses, is not complete at this time and Defendant specifically requests an extension of time to list those witnesses...."

"Additional witnesses may be located subsequent to the filing of this disclosure ...."

"Defendant gives notice that the following records* may be utilized in the penalty phase of this cause: medical records; school records, including awards and recognitions; text messages, video, phone conversations and letters received from the State during discovery; autopsy report; various expert reports ....charts, diagrams, and photos; vital statistics records; employment records including employment awards."

Correction to my previous comment - The Judge gave Finnell until January 1st (not 31st) to list her Mitigation Expert.
Finnell asks for an extension of time on this, in her Penalty Phase Discovery filing of November 29, 2010. However, there is no Order from Judge Perry stating that he has granted Finnell an extension of time on anything that she asked for.
In the Nov 29, 2010 Hearing, Judge Perry was not satisfied with Finnell's request for "60 days" to name her Mitigation Expert, and the Judge told her she is very experienced, and this is not her first time around, and she could do that in 30 days, and gave her a Deadline of January 1st.
I personally do not see any good cause to give the Defense more time on the mitigation expert and mitigation witnesses, but they will probably get an extension anyway.

 

[The World According]

No Jeffrey Michael Hawkins
no room mates of Zanny and no
Zeniada on the list.

With all of the taxpayer's money , and the hundreds of investigative hours, these folks could have been easily found if they existed, especially since she knows everyone's middle names, eh? :floorlaugh:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCX84hgAsQg[/ame]

 

[Sun]

No Jeffrey Michael Hawkins
no room mates of Zanny and no
Zeniada on the list.

With all of the taxpayer's money , and the hundreds of investigative hours, these folks could have been easily found if they existed, especially since she knows everyone's middle names, eh? :floorlaugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCX84hgAsQg

Mark Hawkins is on the list.
No Jeffrey Michael Hopkins is on the list though.

 

[LancelotLink]

No Jeffrey Michael Hawkins
no room mates of Zanny and no
Zeniada on the list.

With all of the taxpayer's money , and the hundreds of investigative hours, these folks could have been easily found if they existed, especially since she knows everyone's middle names, eh? :floorlaugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCX84hgAsQg

This made my morning!! :floorlaugh:

 

[Intermezzo]

I cannot provide a link at this time, but it seems I remember somewhere hearing or reading that KC had received an "Employee of the Month" award while employed by Universal (or whatever the company was at that time). I can't even remember who supposedly said this, although I believe it might have been someone related to KC's employment, like a former supervisor....

I could be way off base here, and I want to say quickly that if it turns out it was CINDY who mentioned the employment award, I take back my post, as it was most likely a "mistruth".... :banghead:

Yes, it was Cindy who said Casey received an Employee of the Month award...she said that to prove Casey had a J.O.B...
We have seen Cindy's rationalization...if there is a picture of a dog that I was told was Zanny there must be a Zanny..
If Casey received an employee of the month award(even though it was in 2004 or 2005) it must prove she is currently employed...

 

[Intermezzo]

What does a work award have to do with a murderer?

I'm not seeing any kind of connection.

You have to think ala Cindy...
If there is an award then Casey must have a job..so Casey was not lying..she dropped Caylee off to Zanny and went to work...:crazy:

 

[Intermezzo]

No Jeffrey Michael Hawkins
no room mates of Zanny and no
Zeniada on the list.

With all of the taxpayer's money , and the hundreds of investigative hours, these folks could have been easily found if they existed, especially since she knows everyone's middle names, eh? :floorlaugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCX84hgAsQg

Juliette Lewis....did they forget her friend Juliette..the other person she told about Caylee being missing.???:crazy:

 

[LancelotLink]

Juliette Lewis....did they forget her friend Juliette..the other person she told about Caylee being missing.???:crazy:

So much for the OCSO mishconshtruing what ICA said. Oh! The irony is indeed, you know...RICH!

 

[miimaa]

No Jeffrey Michael Hawkins
no room mates of Zanny and no
Zeniada on the list.

With all of the taxpayer's money , and the hundreds of investigative hours, these folks could have been easily found if they existed, especially since she knows everyone's middle names, eh? :floorlaugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCX84hgAsQg

Not her boss from Universal?
Not the female friend of her and Jeff's (can't recall her name... Juliette something-or-other)?
Not the hospital staff that treated Zanny?

I am shocked!

 

[Sun]

When I read through the list, I see several addresses are not provided. If the defense talked with these people about giving testimony during the death penalty phase, wouldn't one of the things that they would have (or get) would be the person's address?

I'm thinking that the defense listed all these folks, without knowing whether they would or would not be willing to testify on Casey's behalf. And IMO, that some of the family members not shown on the list, were talked with and refused to testify so their names did not make the list filed with the court.

 

[Chiquita71]

Yes, Beach. Here you go friend. http://www.wftv.com/video/16991942/index.html Kristina, is yet another person who was a regular part of Casey's life who never ever heard of any ZFG!!!!! If the jury hears this call, this cold bit--.......it is over.

"Casey?" Cindy Anthony said to begin the call.

"Mom," Casey Anthony said. "I just saw your nice little cameo on TV."

"Which one," Cindy Anthony said.

"What do you mean, which one?" Casey Anthony said.

"Which one?" Cindy Anthony said. "I did four different ones, and I haven't seen them all. I've only seen one or two so far."

"You don't know what my involvement is in (inaudible)?" Casey Anthony asked.

"Casey," Cindy Anthony said.

"Mom," Casey Anthony said.

"No, I don't know what your involvement is, sweetheart," Cindy Anthony said. "You are not telling me where she's at."

"Because I don't (expletive) know where she's at," Casey Anthony said. "You are kidding me?"

"Casey, don't waste your call screaming and hollering at me," Cindy Anthony said.

"Waste my call sitting in the jail?" Casey Anthony said.

"Whose fault is it you're sitting in jail?" Cindy Anthony said. "Are you blaming me you are sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it is not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you would have told them the truth and not lied about everything…"

"Do me a favor and just tell me what Tony's number is," Casey Anthony said. "I don't want to talk to you. Forget it."

"I don't have his number," Cindy Anthony said.

"Well, get it from Lee," Casey Anthony said. "I know Lee is at the house. I saw Mallory's car was out front. It was just on the news. They were just live outside the house."

"I know they were," Cindy Anthony said.

"Well?" Casey Anthony said.

"Can you get Tony's number for me so I can call him?" Casey Anthony said.

"Hello?" Casey's brother Lee said.

"Hi," Casey Anthony said. "Can you get me Tony's number?"

"I can do that but I don't know what good it's going to do you at this point," Lee Anthony said.

"Well, I'd like to talk to him any way because I called to talk to my mother and it is a (expletive) waste," Casey Anthony said. "By the way, I don't want any of you coming up here when I have my first hearing for bond and everything. I mean don't even (expletive) waste your time coming up here."

"You know, you are having a real tough year and making it real tough for anybody to want to try to, even if it is giving..." Lee Anthony said.

"See that is just it, every..." Casey Anthony said.

"You are not even letting me finish," Lee Anthony said.

"Go ahead," Casey Anthony said.

"First, you are asking me for Tony's phone number so you can call him and then you immediately want to start pressing toward me and don't even worry about coming up here for all this stuff and trying to cut us out," Lee Anthony said.

"I'm not trying to cut anybody out," Casey Anthony said.

"I'm not going around and around with you," Lee Anthony said. "You know, that is pretty pointless. I'm not going to put everyone else through the same stuff that you've been putting the police and everybody else for the last 24 hours and the stuff you've been putting mom through for the last four or five weeks. I'm done with that. So, you can tell me what's going on. Kristina would love to talk to you because she thinks you will tell her what's going on. Frankly, we are going to find out, whatever is going on is going to be found out. So, why not do it now?"

"There is nothing to find out," Casey Anthony said. "There is absolutely nothing to find out. Not even what I told the detectives. I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think that any of this would be happening? No."

"Anyway, you only have a couple of minutes with this so I'm not going to let you completely waste it," Lee Anthony said. "Here is Kristina."

"No, no," Casey Anthony said. "I want Tony's number. I'm not talking to anybody else."

"Hello," Kristina said.
"Hi," Casey Anthony said. "I'm glad everybody is at my house but I'll have to call you later or I'll have to call to get somebody to get your number. Do me a favor and get my brother back because I need Tony's number."

"OK," Kristina said. "Is there anything I can do for you?"
"I'm sitting in jail," Casey Anthony said. "There is nothing anybody can do now."

"I'm just trying to be a…" Kristina said.
"I know you are, honey," Casey Anthony said. "I absolutely know you are and I appreciate it and everything you are trying to do but I'd like to call Tony. He's not at my house is he?

"No," Kristina said. "It's just me and your parents and Lee."
"Well, can you do me a favor and get my brother back so I can get the number from him please?" Casey Anthony said.

"Does Tony have anything to do with Caylee?" Kristina asks.
"No," Casey Anthony said. "Nothing."

"OK, so why do you want to talk with Tony?" Kristina asks. "You probably don't want to tell me, do you?"
"Tony had nothing to do with Caylee," Casey Anthony said.

"Oh, then why do you want to talk with him?" Kristina asks.
"Because he is my boyfriend and I want to actually try and sit and talk to him because I didn't get a chance to talk to him earlier," Casey Anthony said. "Because I got arrested on a (expletive) whim today and because they are blaming me for stuff that I would never do. That I didn't do."

"Well, I'm on your side, you know that?" Kristina said.

"I know that, I just want to talk with Tony and get a little bit of…" Casey Anthony said.

"Casey, you have to tell me if you know anything about Caylee," Kristina said. "If anything happened to Caylee, I'll die -- you understand, I'll die."
"Oh my God," Casey Anthony said. "Calling you guys (was) a waste -- a huge waste. Honey, I love you. You know I'd never let anything happen to my daughter. If I knew where she was, this would not be going on."

"Then how come everyone is saying that you are lying?" Kristina said.
"Because nobody is (expletive) listening to anything that I'm saying," Casey Anthony said. "The media misconstrued everything that I said. The (expletive) detectives pulled (expletive) (expletive). They got all of their information from me but at the same time they are twisting stuff. They already said they are going to pin this on me if they don't find Caylee. They've already said that. They arrested me because they said..."

"They said that the person you left Caylee with doesn't exist," Kristina said.
"Because, oh look, they can't find her in the Florida database," Casey Anthony said. "She is not just from Florida. If they would actually listen to anything that I would have said to them, they would have had their leads. They maybe could have tracked her down. They have not listened to a (expletive) thing that I've said."

"You know that whoever has Caylee, nobody is going to get away with it," Kristina said.
"I know, nobody is going to get away with it but at the same time, the only way they are going to find Caylee is if they actually listen to what I'm saying and I'm trying to help them and they are not letting me help them."

"So, how can I help them find her?" Kristina said. "The best thing you can do baby is to listen to me."

"They need to look up her information in the New York database and a North Carolina database," Casey Anthony said. "And other places that she's lived outside of Florida. That is what I told them, even again today. I told them that four times today. I sat up at the police station. The county police station…"

"Does she have Caylee or did she transfer Caylee to someone else?" Kristina asked.

"Honey, I have not talked with her," Casey Anthony said. "I don't know. I have not talked to her."

"How come everyone is saying that you are not upset and that you are not crying and you show no caring of where Caylee is at all" Kristina asked.
"Because I'm not here (expletive) crying every two seconds because I have to stay composed to talk to detectives, to make other phone calls and do other things," Casey Anthony said. "I can't sit here and be crying every two seconds like I want to -- I can't."

"OK, Casey, don't yell at me, I'm on your side," Kristina said.
"I know you are on my side," Casey Anthony said. I'm not trying to... "

"Nobody is saying anything bad about you," Kristina said. "Your family is with you 100 percent."
"No they're not," Casey Anthony said. "That is (expletive) because I just watched the (expletive) news and heard everything that my mom said. Nobody in my own family is on my side."

"Yes they are," Kristina said.
"They just want Caylee back. That is all they are worried about right now is getting Caylee back," Casey Anthony said. "And you know what, that is all I care about right now."

"Casey, your daughter, your flesh and blood and baby girl.." Kristina said.
"Kristina, please," Casey Anthony said. "Put my brother back on the phone, I don't want to get into this with you right now. I love you honey and I'm glad that you are there. Thank you for your help. I will let you know if there is anything that you can do."

"You can't tell me anybody who can find Caylee?" Kristina asked.
"No," Casey Anthony said. "No because everyone that I've tried and every number that I've called is disconnected --nothing. I can't get a hold of anybody."

"But that girl was the last person to have her?" Kristina said.
"She was the last person to have her," Casey Anthony said. "That was the last time I saw Caylee."

"Lee said he doesn't have Tony's phone number," Kristina said.
"Yes, he does," Casey Anthony said. "He has Tony's number in his phone. He needs to stop (expletive) lying. He just told me a second ago that he'd give me the number."

"So, if I go and get you Tony's number, are you going to finish talking to me?" Kristina said.
"I will call you tomorrow," Casey Anthony said. "I want to talk to him really quick. I wanted to actually try and call Mike. I haven't slept in four days. I have not slept in four days.

"Listen, if you are going to talk to anybody, you can talk to me," Kristina said.
"I know I can talk to you but at the same time, I know that I can talk to Tony and that is who I want to talk to now. I have not gotten the chance to talk to him since this morning. Since all of this stuff happened with trying to set up the MySpace and I made the MySpace,"

"Do you know the password?' Kristina asked.
"I made all of it," Casey Anthony said.

"What's the password to MySpace so we can see if anybody has written any leads of where Caylee might be," Kristina asked.
"You can go online and see it," Casey Anthony said. "As far as messages, I don't know if anybody is going to be messaging."

Casey Anthony then exchanged log-in information with Kristina.

Kristina then gave Casey Anthony Tony's phone number.

"Can Tony tell me anything?" Kristina asked.
"Baby, Tony doesn't know anything, Casey Anthony said. "And, I have not even talked with him since this morning."

"Has Tony seen Caylee?" Kristina asked.
"Tony has not seen Caylee since the beginning of June," Casey Anthony said. "What's Tony's number again?"

Kristina gives the number again.

"Thank you," Casey Anthony said. "I will find a way to call you later. Leave your number at my house with my mother and I can get it either later tonight."

"How can I get a hold of you?" Kristina said.

"I'm at the jail, you can't," Casey Anthony said.

"You don't have a way to write my phone number down?" Kristina said.

"No, I have no way of writing it down," Casey Anthony said. "I have to remember Tony's number. I have to try to memorize his number right now. Just leave your number with my mom and I will try to call you in the morning if I don't get a chance to call you tonight."

"So, how can I find information about that girl?" Kristina asked.
"Have them look up a New York license for Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez," Casey Anthony said. "They've just been looking up the last name Gonzalez or the last name Fernandez. If they look up her entire name, they might actually find her. They have not done that. They haven't listened to anything that I've said."

"How do you spell Zenaida," Kristina said.
"Z-e-n-a-i-d-a," Casey Anthony said.

"Where does she live?" Kristina said. "Because they went and looked at her place and…"
"Baby, you are not telling me anything that I don't already know," Casey Anthony said. "Again, I've only been in jail since about 8:30 tonight. I was with them all day. I know that. I was with officers pretty much since 9 p.m. last night up until this evening when I came up here."

"But you are telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth?" Kristina asked.

"That I have no clue where my daughter is?" Casey Anthony said. "Yes, that is the truth. That is the absolute truth."

"They'll find out and whoever…" Kristina said.
"OK, Kristina, I'm hanging up," Casey Anthony said. "I've need to make this other call before I forget the number. So, I'll call you later."

"OK," Kristina said. "Bye."

Beach, the young lady, Kristina, seemed to try her heart out in that five minutes. Wow.

Respectfully Quoted TheWorldAccording :cool2:

Ah...rereading this...thank you TWA...it reminds me of how messed up Casey is: as I read this and listen to her give the run around to Christina...

I think: give her the DP. Isn't that awful? I don't think people who think she should get DP are awful in any way. It's just a personal thing for me, but I also have left that feeling open because of understanding that I have never been in the position where someone has hurt someone I love. Even with being "against" the DP, I have always thought that the victims family/loved ones deserve to ask for whatever justice they feel is needed. Because I have never been in that position I have never felt the "right" to say someone should be put to death.

A little further back Aedrys said something about feeling like Casey deserved the DP and said this is the first person she felt that way about. I didn't even hit the thank you button then because I couldn't feel it: but then just a few posts later and I get a flash in my mind: "just get rid of her."

So, a person(me)who normally never thinks someone should get the DP, reads a few words from Casey and that is where my mind goes. I think the prosecution knows the same thing. I am sorry again, but Casey gives off a terrible feeling to anyone who has feelings. Right now I want to say the worst thing about her I can: give her the DP.

:twocents:

 

[ThinkTank]

When I read through the list, I see several addresses are not provided. If the defense talked with these people about giving testimony during the death penalty phase, wouldn't one of the things that they would have (or get) would be the person's address?

I'm thinking that the defense listed all these folks, without knowing whether they would or would not be willing to testify on Casey's behalf. And IMO, that some of the family members not shown on the list, were talked with and refused to testify so their names did not make the list filed with the court.

That is exactly my opinion also! The names were simply placed on the List because Finnell had a deadline of November 30, 2010 to list Penalty Phase Witnesses. Finnell filed the list on Nov. 29, 2010 (it was sealed initially). I doubt that any of the people on the Penalty Phase Witness List knew before it was filed, that their names were on it. The names must be people who the Inmate told Finnell about, and they are "hoping" the people will have something helpful to say.

That is also the reason that Finnell threw in paragraphs asking to be able to add "additional witnesses" who "may be located subsequent to the filing of this disclosure"... and why Finnell asked for more time to list "mental mitigation" witnesses, including experts. They are still searching for compliant witnesses that may have something helpful to say to help with mitigation in the penalty phase.

I feel sorry for the people on the List who may feel the need to hire an attorney, at their own expense, to represent them if they are forced to testify in the penalty phase.

 

[Chiquita71]

I cannot provide a link at this time, but it seems I remember somewhere hearing or reading that KC had received an "Employee of the Month" award while employed by Universal (or whatever the company was at that time). I can't even remember who supposedly said this, although I believe it might have been someone related to KC's employment, like a former supervisor....

I could be way off base here, and I want to say quickly that if it turns out it was CINDY who mentioned the employment award, I take back my post, as it was most likely a "mistruth".... :banghead:

Respectfully Quoted Snaz :cool2:

I remember that Snaz. IIRC, it was Cindy who spoke about Casey being "employee of the month" and IIRC: Cindy said there was a plaque.

Can Cindy enter the plaque as evidence? :floorlaugh:

:cow:

 

[ThinkTank]

Odd that Aunt Kathy in Ohio is not on the Penalty Phase Witness List, even though Kathy wrote several letters to her Inmate niece in jail.

Odd that Kiomarie is not on the PP List either.

None of Leonard P's crew is on the PP List.

Dominic C. is not on the PP List.

George's police friend, Jim in Ohio, is not on the PP List (or on the State or Defense List)

 

[LambChop]

Respectfully Quoted Snaz :cool2:

I remember that Snaz. IIRC, it was Cindy who spoke about Casey being "employee of the month" and IIRC: Cindy said there was a plaque.

Can Cindy enter the plaque as evidence? :floorlaugh:

:cow:

Funny thing is most employers do not give those plaques to the employees. They may get a letter stating they will be the employee of the month but plaques, no. The plaque usually has a place to place the picture of the employee. But that is how must NORMAL companies do it.

Of course if you were really inventive you could do up one of the certificate online, show your Mom to make her proud and no one would be the wiser. Sound familiar. jmo

 

[Sun]

Odd that Aunt Kathy in Ohio is not on the Penalty Phase Witness List, even though Kathy wrote several letters to her Inmate niece in jail.

Odd that Kiomarie is not on the PP List either.

None of Leonard P's crew is on the PP List.

Dominic C. is not on the PP List.

George's police friend, Jim in Ohio, is not on the PP List (or on the State or Defense List)

Thanks for this list!! I sort of expected several of Casey's family members to not wish to testify on her behalf. Afterall, Casey has hurt so many people in so many ways. And, I think that folks will respect them so much more for making that decision.

 

[beach]

Yes, Beach. Here you go friend. http://www.wftv.com/video/16991942/index.html Kristina, is yet another person who was a regular part of Casey's life who never ever heard of any ZFG!!!!! If the jury hears this call, this cold bit--.......it is over.

"Casey?" Cindy Anthony said to begin the call.

"Mom," Casey Anthony said. "I just saw your nice little cameo on TV."

"Which one," Cindy Anthony said.

"What do you mean, which one?" Casey Anthony said.

"Which one?" Cindy Anthony said. "I did four different ones, and I haven't seen them all. I've only seen one or two so far."

"You don't know what my involvement is in (inaudible)?" Casey Anthony asked.

"Casey," Cindy Anthony said.

"Mom," Casey Anthony said.

"No, I don't know what your involvement is, sweetheart," Cindy Anthony said. "You are not telling me where she's at."

"Because I don't (expletive) know where she's at," Casey Anthony said. "You are kidding me?"

"Casey, don't waste your call screaming and hollering at me," Cindy Anthony said.

"Waste my call sitting in the jail?" Casey Anthony said.

"Whose fault is it you're sitting in jail?" Cindy Anthony said. "Are you blaming me you are sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it is not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you would have told them the truth and not lied about everything…"

"Do me a favor and just tell me what Tony's number is," Casey Anthony said. "I don't want to talk to you. Forget it."

"I don't have his number," Cindy Anthony said.

"Well, get it from Lee," Casey Anthony said. "I know Lee is at the house. I saw Mallory's car was out front. It was just on the news. They were just live outside the house."

"I know they were," Cindy Anthony said.

"Well?" Casey Anthony said.

"Can you get Tony's number for me so I can call him?" Casey Anthony said.

"Hello?" Casey's brother Lee said.

"Hi," Casey Anthony said. "Can you get me Tony's number?"

"I can do that but I don't know what good it's going to do you at this point," Lee Anthony said.

"Well, I'd like to talk to him any way because I called to talk to my mother and it is a (expletive) waste," Casey Anthony said. "By the way, I don't want any of you coming up here when I have my first hearing for bond and everything. I mean don't even (expletive) waste your time coming up here."

"You know, you are having a real tough year and making it real tough for anybody to want to try to, even if it is giving..." Lee Anthony said.

"See that is just it, every..." Casey Anthony said.

"You are not even letting me finish," Lee Anthony said.

"Go ahead," Casey Anthony said.

"First, you are asking me for Tony's phone number so you can call him and then you immediately want to start pressing toward me and don't even worry about coming up here for all this stuff and trying to cut us out," Lee Anthony said.

"I'm not trying to cut anybody out," Casey Anthony said.

"I'm not going around and around with you," Lee Anthony said. "You know, that is pretty pointless. I'm not going to put everyone else through the same stuff that you've been putting the police and everybody else for the last 24 hours and the stuff you've been putting mom through for the last four or five weeks. I'm done with that. So, you can tell me what's going on. Kristina would love to talk to you because she thinks you will tell her what's going on. Frankly, we are going to find out, whatever is going on is going to be found out. So, why not do it now?"

"There is nothing to find out," Casey Anthony said. "There is absolutely nothing to find out. Not even what I told the detectives. I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think that any of this would be happening? No."

"Anyway, you only have a couple of minutes with this so I'm not going to let you completely waste it," Lee Anthony said. "Here is Kristina."

"No, no," Casey Anthony said. "I want Tony's number. I'm not talking to anybody else."

"Hello," Kristina said.
"Hi," Casey Anthony said. "I'm glad everybody is at my house but I'll have to call you later or I'll have to call to get somebody to get your number. Do me a favor and get my brother back because I need Tony's number."

"OK," Kristina said. "Is there anything I can do for you?"
"I'm sitting in jail," Casey Anthony said. "There is nothing anybody can do now."

"I'm just trying to be a…" Kristina said.
"I know you are, honey," Casey Anthony said. "I absolutely know you are and I appreciate it and everything you are trying to do but I'd like to call Tony. He's not at my house is he?

"No," Kristina said. "It's just me and your parents and Lee."
"Well, can you do me a favor and get my brother back so I can get the number from him please?" Casey Anthony said.

"Does Tony have anything to do with Caylee?" Kristina asks.
"No," Casey Anthony said. "Nothing."

"OK, so why do you want to talk with Tony?" Kristina asks. "You probably don't want to tell me, do you?"
"Tony had nothing to do with Caylee," Casey Anthony said.

"Oh, then why do you want to talk with him?" Kristina asks.
"Because he is my boyfriend and I want to actually try and sit and talk to him because I didn't get a chance to talk to him earlier," Casey Anthony said. "Because I got arrested on a (expletive) whim today and because they are blaming me for stuff that I would never do. That I didn't do."

"Well, I'm on your side, you know that?" Kristina said.

"I know that, I just want to talk with Tony and get a little bit of…" Casey Anthony said.

"Casey, you have to tell me if you know anything about Caylee," Kristina said. "If anything happened to Caylee, I'll die -- you understand, I'll die."
"Oh my God," Casey Anthony said. "Calling you guys (was) a waste -- a huge waste. Honey, I love you. You know I'd never let anything happen to my daughter. If I knew where she was, this would not be going on."

"Then how come everyone is saying that you are lying?" Kristina said.
"Because nobody is (expletive) listening to anything that I'm saying," Casey Anthony said. "The media misconstrued everything that I said. The (expletive) detectives pulled (expletive) (expletive). They got all of their information from me but at the same time they are twisting stuff. They already said they are going to pin this on me if they don't find Caylee. They've already said that. They arrested me because they said..."

"They said that the person you left Caylee with doesn't exist," Kristina said.
"Because, oh look, they can't find her in the Florida database," Casey Anthony said. "She is not just from Florida. If they would actually listen to anything that I would have said to them, they would have had their leads. They maybe could have tracked her down. They have not listened to a (expletive) thing that I've said."

"You know that whoever has Caylee, nobody is going to get away with it," Kristina said.
"I know, nobody is going to get away with it but at the same time, the only way they are going to find Caylee is if they actually listen to what I'm saying and I'm trying to help them and they are not letting me help them."

"So, how can I help them find her?" Kristina said. "The best thing you can do baby is to listen to me."

"They need to look up her information in the New York database and a North Carolina database," Casey Anthony said. "And other places that she's lived outside of Florida. That is what I told them, even again today. I told them that four times today. I sat up at the police station. The county police station…"

"Does she have Caylee or did she transfer Caylee to someone else?" Kristina asked.

"Honey, I have not talked with her," Casey Anthony said. "I don't know. I have not talked to her."

"How come everyone is saying that you are not upset and that you are not crying and you show no caring of where Caylee is at all" Kristina asked.
"Because I'm not here (expletive) crying every two seconds because I have to stay composed to talk to detectives, to make other phone calls and do other things," Casey Anthony said. "I can't sit here and be crying every two seconds like I want to -- I can't."

"OK, Casey, don't yell at me, I'm on your side," Kristina said.
"I know you are on my side," Casey Anthony said. I'm not trying to... "

"Nobody is saying anything bad about you," Kristina said. "Your family is with you 100 percent."
"No they're not," Casey Anthony said. "That is (expletive) because I just watched the (expletive) news and heard everything that my mom said. Nobody in my own family is on my side."

"Yes they are," Kristina said.
"They just want Caylee back. That is all they are worried about right now is getting Caylee back," Casey Anthony said. "And you know what, that is all I care about right now."

"Casey, your daughter, your flesh and blood and baby girl.." Kristina said.
"Kristina, please," Casey Anthony said. "Put my brother back on the phone, I don't want to get into this with you right now. I love you honey and I'm glad that you are there. Thank you for your help. I will let you know if there is anything that you can do."

"You can't tell me anybody who can find Caylee?" Kristina asked.
"No," Casey Anthony said. "No because everyone that I've tried and every number that I've called is disconnected --nothing. I can't get a hold of anybody."

"But that girl was the last person to have her?" Kristina said.
"She was the last person to have her," Casey Anthony said. "That was the last time I saw Caylee."

"Lee said he doesn't have Tony's phone number," Kristina said.
"Yes, he does," Casey Anthony said. "He has Tony's number in his phone. He needs to stop (expletive) lying. He just told me a second ago that he'd give me the number."

"So, if I go and get you Tony's number, are you going to finish talking to me?" Kristina said.
"I will call you tomorrow," Casey Anthony said. "I want to talk to him really quick. I wanted to actually try and call Mike. I haven't slept in four days. I have not slept in four days.

"Listen, if you are going to talk to anybody, you can talk to me," Kristina said.
"I know I can talk to you but at the same time, I know that I can talk to Tony and that is who I want to talk to now. I have not gotten the chance to talk to him since this morning. Since all of this stuff happened with trying to set up the MySpace and I made the MySpace,"

"Do you know the password?' Kristina asked.
"I made all of it," Casey Anthony said.

"What's the password to MySpace so we can see if anybody has written any leads of where Caylee might be," Kristina asked.
"You can go online and see it," Casey Anthony said. "As far as messages, I don't know if anybody is going to be messaging."

Casey Anthony then exchanged log-in information with Kristina.

Kristina then gave Casey Anthony Tony's phone number.

"Can Tony tell me anything?" Kristina asked.
"Baby, Tony doesn't know anything, Casey Anthony said. "And, I have not even talked with him since this morning."

"Has Tony seen Caylee?" Kristina asked.
"Tony has not seen Caylee since the beginning of June," Casey Anthony said. "What's Tony's number again?"

Kristina gives the number again.

"Thank you," Casey Anthony said. "I will find a way to call you later. Leave your number at my house with my mother and I can get it either later tonight."

"How can I get a hold of you?" Kristina said.

"I'm at the jail, you can't," Casey Anthony said.

"You don't have a way to write my phone number down?" Kristina said.

"No, I have no way of writing it down," Casey Anthony said. "I have to remember Tony's number. I have to try to memorize his number right now. Just leave your number with my mom and I will try to call you in the morning if I don't get a chance to call you tonight."

"So, how can I find information about that girl?" Kristina asked.
"Have them look up a New York license for Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez," Casey Anthony said. "They've just been looking up the last name Gonzalez or the last name Fernandez. If they look up her entire name, they might actually find her. They have not done that. They haven't listened to anything that I've said."

"How do you spell Zenaida," Kristina said.
"Z-e-n-a-i-d-a," Casey Anthony said.

"Where does she live?" Kristina said. "Because they went and looked at her place and…"
"Baby, you are not telling me anything that I don't already know," Casey Anthony said. "Again, I've only been in jail since about 8:30 tonight. I was with them all day. I know that. I was with officers pretty much since 9 p.m. last night up until this evening when I came up here."

"But you are telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth?" Kristina asked.

"That I have no clue where my daughter is?" Casey Anthony said. "Yes, that is the truth. That is the absolute truth."

"They'll find out and whoever…" Kristina said.
"OK, Kristina, I'm hanging up," Casey Anthony said. "I've need to make this other call before I forget the number. So, I'll call you later."

"OK," Kristina said. "Bye."

Beach, the young lady, Kristina, seemed to try her heart out in that five minutes. Wow.

This phone call is so incredibly damning. Jurors won't need to be educated to comprehend intricate scientific principles and %'s to get the significance of this call. This is something that any decent human being will be able to identify with. It's really not even open to interpretation, it simply screams, "Tony is my priority, not Caylee. Sheesh, what is so hard to understand about that?".

"Hello jurors, let me introduce you to the defendant, Ms. Casey Anthony."

 

[watcher9]

I guess from watching a lot of TV, I always assumed the penalty phase was when the judge asked if anyone had anything to say before he pronounced the sentence. Family or friends would stand up and either condemn the accused or exclaim how much they needed them to be free for the family, etc. That's what I was thinking.

Now, I think I know it will be more like a mini trial with witnesses getting on the stand and being questioned by the defense. I imagine the questions will be very direct and to the point they want to make (yes, ICA was worried about Caylee because ICA was crying in bed; yes, ICA took good care of Caylee because she once changed Caylee's diapers, etc) without letting the witnesses explain anything in detail.

Will the SA be able to cross examine these witnesses to get the truth out?