2010.12.28 Defense Motion re: Heart Sticker

[Dignity4Victims]

JB won't be held in contempt for mentioning prior bad acts of Kronk, unless there's an order in place precluding him from doing so.

I really don't think the heart shaped outline on the tape will be admitted into evidence. Not everyone can see it--even the FBI said they had failed to capture the shape in their photos.

OK, so he'll do it on cross. Then why did he bother writing the Motion that will never be heard because he missed the deadline?

ETA: I believe I answered my own question after a bit of thought with a Christmas-crash brain. Baez wrote the Motion so that he could actually call witnesses for verification of Kronk's bad acts, which now he won't be able to. The 2nd part of this though is that according to reports, none of the supposed 'witnesses' would verify, under oath, that Kronk ever committed these bad acts! - which in part, may very well be why Baez allowed the Motion to go by the wayside. (did I get all that right? lol)

But it brings me to part 4 - how will Baez go about bringing up these prior bad acts when if asked the question, "Did you ever bound your ex-wife with duct tape", for example, of course Kronk is going to answer "NO!" I don't see Baez accomplishing anything by bringing this up on cross vs. what he may have been able to do with a granted Motion, you know? Explain, please?

 

[LambChop]

Three pieces of duct tape found near the body. Actually there were four, one was found near the remains, the other three were attached to the skull. It appears defense did not spend much time looking at the crime scene photos. Better brush up boys.

 

[Soju]

"duct tape found NEAR the body"? Nice try, Jose. Of course he doesn't want to draw attention to caylee's mouth being duct taped, but to LIE like that? Why didn't he at least say something like "duct tape found WITH the body"? It would've technically been true without actually saying "On the body" or "attached to" the body.

And I can't believe the way he trashes Yuri Melich. "melich stepped even further away from reality". Really, Jose? Do you want to talk about people NOT living in reality? Man, this is gonna backfire in court big time.

Sheesh. I always feel like I need a shower after reading his motions

 

[Insomnia Momma]

And so it begins. Goes along with what I expected, as do the motions filed today. I SO wish I could be off work for the hearing on Monday!

 

[logicalgirl]

So tightly wrapped that it stayed in place through torrential rains, extreme heat, and a Tropical Storm... not to mention the scavengers that has access to her remains.

I just want to point out that when I do get graphic, it is in no way to disrespect Caylee and her memory. These are the realities of this case and what Caylee went through. I think that it is important to remember what exactly Caylee went through because it is so horrific. Not to mention the defense constantly trying to gloss over (with a blinding glitter) the facts of what Caylee went through. I want the defense to know (because I know they read here) that we have not forgotten, nor will we ever forget what Caylee went through and that a jury will be presented with the facts of what Caylee went through... not only in death, but when she was thrown out into those woods like trash by her own mother!

I don't think you are being too graphic at all - and I completely agree - my head's gonna fall right off my shoulders from shaking it while reading Baez's descriptions. I'm a couple of hours behind reading this information than those of you who are posting, so it's a great relief to see my outrage already posted by posters who feel the same outrage.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Here is Baez' latest wish list of evidence he would like excluded.
This time he went outside the Court System ....
http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/20...hristmas-wish-list-to-judge-perry-by-mistake/

 

[MD MOMMY]

Here is Baez' latest wish list of evidence he would like excluded.
This time he went outside the Court System ....
http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/20...hristmas-wish-list-to-judge-perry-by-mistake/

I'm sorry but that is the funniest read ever. FWIW, the prosecution doesn't need the heart shape sticker evidence. I would throw the defense a bone. The duct tape is by far way worse. Adding the heart shape sticker is almost unbelievable anyway. Not saying she didn't do that of course:furious:

 

[LancelotLink]

What next? The hair?

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

What next? The hair?

O/T

Lancelot you are so handsome as a cowboy:great:

 

[txsvicki]

The defense is just doing their job at fighting a losing battle. They have to know that Casey will be convicted and get the death penalty for premeditation. Absolutely everything proves that Caylee was last with her, cell phone pings prove that she left the home and went straight to Tony's, the chloroform in the trunk, Caylee's dead body in the trunk, and the previous online searches for shovels, missing children, chloroform, household weapons, and neck breaking. That along with Caylee being found in and with things from the home and the face bound with duct tape from the home = lethal injection and no accident or snapping.

 

[2goldfish]

I agree that allowing the heart shape seen on the tape or not doesnt really matter to the case. that wasnt what pushed me over to the edge for guilty anyways, KWIM? also agree with AZlawyer that the pink heart found on cardboard at the scene is actually unrelated.

yet at the same time I find it staggering that Baez et al would ever state something like the heart shape was NEVER there, maybe it was or maybe it wasnt, but as Miss Client "is innocent", then how would they profess to know what the "real killer" did or did not do?

they are making terrible mistakes in not showing caylee sympathy at all times, they act like the remains were a troublesome find....which is not what a grieving mother of a murdered child would consider, eh?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

What next? The hair?

Her tiny skeletal remains...what a disgrace to Caylee Marie.

Duct tape was found ON CAYLEE"S FACE (and one piece next to her), poor child eaten by scavengers, scattered in this huge field and Baez trying to minimize what the victim endured. As always the defense tries to place blame on the victim, turning and misconstuing words/evidence. They have no defense so they have to attack the evidence but to lie about it seems so egregious and takes away from a precious two year old who's life was snuffed out by a so called momster who wanted life without a child in tow. ICA had many options if she didn't want to be a parent, one option was NOT MURDER...and I do hope the jury will see this case for what it is, FILICIDE, premediated, researched for months, even years. For this fictious nanny came into play when the Grunds would not babysit Caylee any longer....JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[Cabin girl]

I agree that allowing the heart shape seen on the tape or not doesnt really matter to the case. that wasnt what pushed me over to the edge for guilty anyways, KWIM? also agree with AZlawyer that the pink heart found on cardboard at the scene is actually unrelated.

yet at the same time I find it staggering that Baez et al would ever state something like the heart shape was NEVER there, maybe it was or maybe it wasnt, but as Miss Client "is innocent", then how would they profess to know what the "real killer" did or did not do?

they are making terrible mistakes in not showing caylee sympathy at all times, they act like the remains were a troublesome find....which is not what a grieving mother of a murdered child would consider, eh?

The heart sticker for the normal observer is so disturbing. What insight does it provide to the mind of the murderer? I agree; it is not needed for a conviction, but for a psychological profile could prove to be quite significant. How did the heart sticker come into play? Is this a sticker she promised Caylee as she taped her mouth "look mommy has a heart for her good girl if she will be quiet and stop fighting her" or was this ICA's sick way of saying goodbye?

 

[Aedrys]

The defense is just doing their job at fighting a losing battle. They have to know that Casey will be convicted and get the death penalty for premeditation. Absolutely everything proves that Caylee was last with her, cell phone pings prove that she left the home and went straight to Tony's, the chloroform in the trunk, Caylee's dead body in the trunk, and the previous online searches for shovels, missing children, chloroform, household weapons, and neck breaking. That along with Caylee being found in and with things from the home and the face bound with duct tape from the home = lethal injection and no accident or snapping.

I disagree. If they were really fighting for Casey, they should do it with some class and integrity. Saying the duct tape was near the body and not on it is a slap to the intelligence of LE and the Medical Examiner, not to mention those of us who have been following along and know damn well it wasn't NEAR the body. It's like they are expecting HHJP and the jury to be dumber than a box of hair. I mean come on, evidence is going to be brought in that PROVES that the duct tape was on her face. What can they possibly gain for Casey by insulting everyone's intelligence and acting like it wasn't on her face when it can be proven by pictures and reports that they obviously didn't bother to look at?

Questioning evidence that is actually questionable, I get. This is not questionable evidence, not in the least. I know it's a lawyer's job to question, but you'd think they'd get their facts straight first and then question, not throw something out there and hope by a miracle that it sticks. And it would take divine intervention for this to work. If a lawyer is going to question something, it needs to be a good question, not a stupid one. All Baez and company seems to know how to do is ask stupid questions. That's not intelligently and vigorously fighting for their client at all.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

The heart sticker for the normal observer is so disturbing. What insight does it provide to the mind of the murderer? I agree; it is not needed for a conviction, but for a psychological profile could prove to be quite significant. How did the heart sticker come into play? Is this a sticker she promised Caylee as she taped her mouth "look mommy has a heart for her good girl if she will be quiet and stop fighting her" or was this ICA's sick way of saying goodbye?

Or her sick way of sticking it to CA...seems it's the kiss of death and shows CA that ICA was in charge and since you loved Caylee more than ME, I had to bring the attention back on ME...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[logicalgirl]

Or her sick way of sticking it to CA...seems it's the kiss of death and shows CA that ICA was in charge and since you loved Caylee more than ME, I had to bring the attention back on ME...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

Yes, Caylee Marie, just one more scrapbooking project completed. Sick.

 

[beach]

"duct tape found NEAR the body"? Nice try, Jose. Of course he doesn't want to draw attention to caylee's mouth being duct taped, but to LIE like that? Why didn't he at least say something like "duct tape found WITH the body"? It would've technically been true without actually saying "On the body" or "attached to" the body.

And I can't believe the way he trashes Yuri Melich. "melich stepped even further away from reality". Really, Jose? Do you want to talk about people NOT living in reality? Man, this is gonna backfire in court big time.

Sheesh. I always feel like I need a shower after reading his motions

BBM

This just makes my blood boil.

I don't think the sticker evidence is going to be admitted, but I hope Jeff Ashton jumps on this duct tape description like white on rice and hammers it home during his argument - all in front of Casey. If you want to get a glimpse of how she will react during trial...well, this should do it. I don't believe she can control herself. "Make him stop!" Uh, no sweets. No can do.

 

[faefrost]

The heart sticker for the normal observer is so disturbing. What insight does it provide to the mind of the murderer? I agree; it is not needed for a conviction, but for a psychological profile could prove to be quite significant. How did the heart sticker come into play? Is this a sticker she promised Caylee as she taped her mouth "look mommy has a heart for her good girl if she will be quiet and stop fighting her" or was this ICA's sick way of saying goodbye?

I'm betting saying goodbye. Closing that chapter of her (KC's) life and moving on. I don't think it shows any deliberate malicious message to CA, simply because I don't think KC ever intended anyone else to find Caylee or see it. It does strike me as a clear sign of mental intent. It shows she deliberately knew what she did, and understood that it was wrong. So it could be useful if nothing else in helping eliminate any potential psych related defense.

 

[logicalgirl]

I'm betting saying goodbye. Closing that chapter of her (KC's) life and moving on. I don't think it shows any deliberate malicious message to CA, simply because I don't think KC ever intended anyone else to find Caylee or see it. It does strike me as a clear sign of mental intent. It shows she deliberately knew what she did, and understood that it was wrong. So it could be useful if nothing else in helping eliminate any potential psych related defense.

Yes, I've always thought so also. A "Kiss Goodbye" to both Caylee and that life with her.

 

[Scamperoo]

I think the motion to preclude the phantom heart sticker is in response to the request to sanction the defense, they seem to have this "last one to have a motion granted is the winner" theory, no matter how inconsequential it may be.
This motion will likely be granted, I think the prosecutor will answer it by saying, "we weren't going to use it anyway" thus deflating any effect it might have had. They have far more damning evidence than this, so much in fact I doubt they have the time to showcase the minor aspects of the case.

The duct tape statement is much more disturbing to me because they have to call into question everyone who says it was wrapped around Caylee's skull, thus insinuating a massive conspiracy, including the coroner.
By saying the duct tape was not in contact with the body one wonders how they are going to float that particular boat....