2011.02.14 - SA's high school mate speaks out

[OneLove]

Dressing in black, gothic, and loner reminds me of vampires. Wonder if he was into Vampires back then. They did find articles and printouts in the collections about vampires. BD is too old to have been into Goth or vampire things back in high school or now IMO.

I do agree with you! However, BD shows what appears to be signs of immature behaviors in other ways, so maybe she is trying to find her "lost youth" by going along with younger kid behavior. I do believe there was one interview where it was said she wanted to be a friend to her children. I'd say the chemical tattoo etching fits in with that "I'm just a kid too" thing.

If she ramped up an interest in horror/sadistic/murder movies and case studies in order to have a common interest with SA, I can easily see her following him into a vampire thing if that's what it takes to keep her man. After what I've seen lately, I'm beginning to think she would offer up the life of her own daughter in order to keep her man. JMO

 

[epiphany]

Dressing in black, gothic, and loner reminds me of vampires. Wonder if he was into Vampires back then. They did find articles and printouts in the collections about vampires. BD is too old to have been into Goth or vampire things back in high school or now IMO.

An older age didn't preclude Zahra Baker's stepmother from expressing herself in a Gothic fashion, nor exclude her from pursuing her interest in "vampires."

 

[dodie20]

I had a similar experience. I went to high school with a guy who killed his pregnant wife (ala Scott P - and in fact his case was re-opened after Scott was convicted - and he was subsequently found guilty of murder). This guy was the star of our football team, well liked, and a pretty upstanding member of the community.

I was completely shocked.

If I'm thinking of the same case, that's the one, that made me an UN believer in lie detector tests. A neighbor kid, who was an early suspect, failed his test, but for some reason, it was disregarded. Did the husband ever take one? This was one of those cases that left me unsure. The waters got so muddied with the affair stuff...it was hard to get an honest impression of the guy. Personally, I think he has a chance on appeal. There just wasn't much evidence there.

 

[Donjeta]

Well, that was interesting I guess but I'm not sure based on that article that she ever knew SA all that well if she had to consult her yearbook to be sure.

 

[epiphany]

"He pretty much kept to himself," recalls Arrelano, "dressed all in black, gothic."

Alot of these cases you find the "loner type". Never fit in anywhere. Then, they keep getting stranger and stranger.

They seek attention. Thus, "Ill do something that will be remembered for a long time."

Agree. Likely, SA was a loner. That's what stands out to me. From an older article:

BBM; SNIPPED

Sotelo was able to get his hands on Snyder High School yearbooks dating back to the time Adkins was a student. Though Adkins was listed in the 2003 edition, his picture wasn't there. In a section of senior class accomplishments, no items were listed next to Adkins' name. In his junior yearbrook, Adkins is in a theatre arts group shot frowning on the top row.

"He was quiet...always quiet," said Linda Delatorre who lives in the neighborhood where Adkins grew up. "He just kept to himself all the time."

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=331686

 

[hollyblue]

I just keep getting this overall feeling that people are scared of SA, and scared to admit it also. Love to know the family dynamics, history, community knowledge, etc on them.

The schoolmate said he was quite and kept to himself. I''m wondering if she isn't seeking attention and really doesn't know him that well. Doesn't sit well for someone to be interested in Drama Class/Group to be a loner.?? Doesn't say he participated in any of the plays. Was he part of the production? Props? Make-up? Or maybe had a friend or fascination with someone who was and only joined to maybe get closer with that person?

Curious if he was a bully type in school and/or a creepy pain in the ars to his peers. (my :twocents I think he mentally tormented (teased :sick HD constantly; especially when BD wasn't around to see it. Maybe BD down played it, turned the other cheek, or couldn't accept that it was disturbing to HD. Some people are so control happy they refuse to accept someone else's point of view and it can be a maddening and helpless feeling. She was a growing child! Always wanting to spend her time else where at other people's homes and even out in the shed and the backyard for privacy. I don't think HD was ever validated for being herself. Even BD said she pushed her into cheerleading.

I just see him as in the category of the big, dumb jerks, who prolly got away with alot--for some unknown reason---and he kept pushing it and getting into darker and darker enjoyments with no boundaries. Maybe HD threatened those boundaries somehow or someway? Either in words or actions she said "NO" and that to him was unacceptable...he had never come up against it before or had been able to manipulate around it. HD didn't care for him in the first place, so I don't think she would have been easily manipulated by him. She didn't even want to scare him with grasshoppers...she had to be bribed. HD didn't get a dip for the space he occupied! imo.

I don't either!!

 

[Aedrys]

Agree. Likely, SA was a loner. That's what stands out to me. From an older article:

BBM; SNIPPED

Sotelo was able to get his hands on Snyder High School yearbooks dating back to the time Adkins was a student. Though Adkins was listed in the 2003 edition, his picture wasn't there. In a section of senior class accomplishments, no items were listed next to Adkins' name. In his junior yearbrook, Adkins is in a theatre arts group shot frowning on the top row.

"He was quiet...always quiet," said Linda Delatorre who lives in the neighborhood where Adkins grew up. "He just kept to himself all the time."

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=331686

ITA. It's not that he was dressed in black and took a drama class. It's the fact that he was a loner and did those things. The loner is what stands out to me. I've known other people that dress in black and take drama classes, but those people have lots of friends and the dress and drama classes are expressions of themselves that their friends accept. If he was a loner, had no friends, and was wearing black and not smiling, I'd wonder why he took the drama class in the first place, and also why he had no friends and was always alone and quiet. That is something to be worried about, not just how he dressed and one drama class. I bet she was more worried about him being a loner than those other two things. They just clicked in her mind from the societal expectations for loners - they dress weirdly and act weirdly.

 

[dodie20]

ITA. It's not that he was dressed in black and took a drama class. It's the fact that he was a loner and did those things. The loner is what stands out to me. I've known other people that dress in black and take drama classes, but those people have lots of friends and the dress and drama classes are expressions of themselves that their friends accept. If he was a loner, had no friends, and was wearing black and not smiling, I'd wonder why he took the drama class in the first place, and also why he had no friends and was always alone and quiet. That is something to be worried about, not just how he dressed and one drama class. I bet she was more worried about him being a loner than those other two things. They just clicked in her mind from the societal expectations for loners - they dress weirdly and act weirdly.

I live in Texas, & high school kids are required to take a certain amount of elective classes. If he wasn't into athletics or music, then there wouldn't have been much left to choose from. maybe he took it by process of elimination? or maybe he didn't sign up for anything, & was placed there automatically. But, he seems pretty dramatic, with his love of horror movies & masks, so he might've signed up, thinking he'd get something out of it. Texas is BIG on sports, & I'm surprised, especially in a smally town, that he wasn't recruited for football or basketball. He is big! That tells me, more about his personality than anything. Some times, it's less what you do, & more what you don't do. a big guy at a Texas high school, not playing sports.

 

[passionflower]

I live in Texas, & high school kids are required to take a certain amount of elective classes. If he wasn't into athletics or music, then there wouldn't have been much left to choose from. maybe he took it by process of elimination? or maybe he didn't sign up for anything, & was placed there automatically. But, he seems pretty dramatic, with his love of horror movies & masks, so he might've signed up, thinking he'd get something out of it. Texas is BIG on sports, & I'm surprised, especially in a smally town, that he wasn't recruited for football or basketball. He is big! That tells me, more about his personality than anything. Some times, it's less what you do, & more what you don't do. a big guy at a Texas high school, not playing sports.

It is odd to m also, that in a small school, the larger boys are usually into sorts............even in PA, we are BIG into all sports.
A way to go to college also.
Grades bad???
Over protective mother?
Into drugs early?
Best friend/cousin???
odd no one speaking out on him........
yes allot of people must be afraid and think he is freaky, IMO
neighbors, teachers usually talk......not a word on BD either..ODD
BBM

 

[jwinchester]

It's comforting to think that dangerous people often seem weird before they do something evil, but the truth is that many normal seeming people hurt others, and many shy, isolated people would never hurt a fly. Because it is easy to show that the vast majority of people who wear black or watch horror movies never kill anyone, there's no rational basis to find it suspicious. I have seen people say "but a missing child makes it different", but logically, it does not. Either it is suspicious, dangerous behavior or it isn't. I think SA may very well have been involved, but that would be equally likely to be true if he were a suit-wearing, golf-playing social butterfly.

The way I see it, truly suspicious factors are ones which can be used independently to suggest guilt. If you start by assuming things like "Goths are more likely to be guilty" you quickly run into problems. If there are three Goth-types involved in a case, and you knew only one could have possibly done the crime, and all you knew aside from that was that they were Goth...how do you choose the criminal based on that?

You've already decided they're all more likely to be guilty because they are Goths, yet clearly, the majority of these Goths did not commit the crime. So it is too in life -- there's a lot of people with unusual fashion tastes and very very few of them are killers. That means if you find one who happens to be a killer, it's just a coincidence.

Even if it happens to relate to a sick mind, a sick mind can latch onto anything and look like anyone. Again, if it happens to latch onto something that makes you uncomfortable to begin with, you might perceive it as meaningful, but the empirical reality is that it is not.

John Wayne Gacy was very well liked by his neighbors and known as a friendly, kind man. By the time they stopped him, he had so many dead bodies hidden in his home he had run out of places to stash them. For every example of someone who seemed outwardly weird before a crime, there is a counter-example of someone who seemed perfectly normal, which means neither situation is logically more suggestive than the other.

 

[CaseyLPC]

The principles of immediacy and rarity are what make unusual people who commit these crimes stick out. We do not see them as often anyway and, therefore, when we see something sensationalized in MSM we begin to form a schema about the general type of people, when in reality that is a small subset of the larger group. Much like people who think that all Muslims are terrorists when in reality Islam is a very peaceful religion that is marred by a relatively small group of extremists.

 

[hollyblue]

It was mentioned before in the discussion threads about SA changing after the death of 2 of his friends. Do we know anything more about that?

 

[CN2Souls]

It was mentioned before in the discussion threads about SA changing after the death of 2 of his friends. Do we know anything more about that?

What? What? What????

Hmmmmm..... :waitasec:
Thank you, thank you! Iwould sure like to know more about this....

 

[CN2Souls]

It's comforting to think that dangerous people often seem weird before they do something evil, but the truth is that many normal seeming people hurt others, and many shy, isolated people would never hurt a fly. Because it is easy to show that the vast majority of people who wear black or watch horror movies never kill anyone, there's no rational basis to find it suspicious. I have seen people say "but a missing child makes it different", but logically, it does not. Either it is suspicious, dangerous behavior or it isn't. I think SA may very well have been involved, but that would be equally likely to be true if he were a suit-wearing, golf-playing social butterfly.

The way I see it, truly suspicious factors are ones which can be used independently to suggest guilt. If you start by assuming things like "Goths are more likely to be guilty" you quickly run into problems. If there are three Goth-types involved in a case, and you knew only one could have possibly done the crime, and all you knew aside from that was that they were Goth...how do you choose the criminal based on that?

You've already decided they're all more likely to be guilty because they are Goths, yet clearly, the majority of these Goths did not commit the crime. So it is too in life -- there's a lot of people with unusual fashion tastes and very very few of them are killers. That means if you find one who happens to be a killer, it's just a coincidence.

Even if it happens to relate to a sick mind, a sick mind can latch onto anything and look like anyone. Again, if it happens to latch onto something that makes you uncomfortable to begin with, you might perceive it as meaningful, but the empirical reality is that it is not.

John Wayne Gacy was very well liked by his neighbors and known as a friendly, kind man. By the time they stopped him, he had so many dead bodies hidden in his home he had run out of places to stash them. For every example of someone who seemed outwardly weird before a crime, there is a counter-example of someone who seemed perfectly normal, which means neither situation is logically more suggestive than the other.

Excellent Post!!!! :goodpost:

 

[Knox]

I clicked on the news link and expected to see details about SA that we hadn't heard before. Nothing in that very short article gave me further insight into SA. Guess this is what point we are in the case. Sure wish LE would give a case status PC.

 

[txsvicki]

Goth kids usually run with a group of other goths and have fun together, so if SA dressed all in black and was a loner then he must have been pretty odd or had problems. IMO, Haylie is outgoing even if she didn't like cheerleading that much. Just that she was doing it is enough to show lots about her personality. No wonder she couldn't really feel comfortable around someone described this way and had those awful masks. They must have nothing in common, not to mention what the grandma said about lurking outside the bedroom door at night.

 

[LotsaLatte]

Dressing in black, gothic, and loner reminds me of vampires. Wonder if he was into Vampires back then. They did find articles and printouts in the collections about vampires. BD is too old to have been into Goth or vampire things back in high school or now IMO.

It reminds me of the "vampire" interest as well. But I have to say that even in my high school in early 80 through the early 90's my little brother and I both knew alot of people that were goth and/or punk - black clothes, mohawks, etc. And we went to a preppy school - everyone called it "Harvard on the Hill" but there were still alot of kids that were needing attention. So, I don't know if BD is too old to have been into the Goth thing. Although, my guess is that if she is, it's a newer thing for her (i.e. since SA entered the picture.)

 

[hollyblue]

What? What? What????

Hmmmmm..... :waitasec:
Thank you, thank you! Iwould sure like to know more about this....

Sorry, I thought it was the general threads, but it's in the Parking Lot. In the FB, YouTube Thread. Post # 253 on 1/14/11, by Surfie TX.

I'm playing catch up and going between the gen disc threads and there.!!
HTH

ETA: Mods--please remove my posts regarding this if need be. TIA

 

[CN2Souls]

Thank you HollyBlue... I always forget about the parking lot...LOL

 

[sgale]

My daughter did go to HS w/ SA, doesn't even know who the "classmate" is... and when she looked through her yearbook, still drew a blank. (my daughter was a yearbook editor at that and still didn't know her) As for SA, she says yes, he did wear black...but so did my daughter occasionally, esp. when she said she had a "feeling fat day" and she is a "prep"...whatever that means. Anyways, she says SA would also wear other things like the khakis and a polo type shirt- but yes, she says he was quiet but only had probably 1 male friend who was "gothic" but not violent. Anyways, she did give him rides home a few times, along with other friends of hers who were "in crowd". She says he was quiet, could be okay alone but most of his friends were females. He flirted w/ my daughter a couple of times and then by the end of their 1 1/2 hour blocks he would flip and act cold like he hated her. Was my daughter surprised that he's been named a suspect- no. Bottom line- didn't know the "classmate", and said probably just wanted to be on the news-nothing more. The reason she and her friends aren't speaking out- they are professionals and can't be seen out on the news talking about it.