2011.02.18 Depo: Tony Lazzarro - depo linked on pg. 5

[Itsy]

OOOH...good point. I think the molestation/abuse/miscarriage (imo) lies...only work on those she was trying to be with. And since it appears ICA is interested in males...why bother with telling her "stories" to females? I would imagine it was to (a) indebt them to her in her way (b) explain away any bizarre behavior on her part (c) get sympathy from some strong strapping male figure who might, after hearing her story...feel compelled to rid her of GA...the ex-cop who didn't believe her lies about working for the Sports Authority, the one who left the family home in part, because of the problems with ICA (imo it was because Cindy would never punish her for ICA's part in the A's financial ruin)...

ICA was just trying to garner sympathy from any male. "I was beaten...I was molested...yada yada yada..."

JMO, but I think she would have been happy if any of her male hookups had taken matters into their own hands and taken GA out. Doubt she would have felt a thing. GA was in her way. JMO.

BBM - Yes, this is what I said above & agree 100%. I'm not so sure about her wanting her dad "taken out" by one of these guys. I think it was purely for the sympathy.

 

[Tiki]

Amy and TonE only repeated what (lies) ICA told them. Her word is worth less than nothing. "What she told" people won't be of any use to the DT because SA has proof of her habitual lying.

Amy and TonE also said ICA was a good mom. A good mom does not take her toddler to adult parties until all hours. A good mom does not take her toddler into bed with her current boyfriend. A good mom does not leave her toddler unattended while she goes into the bedroom to have sex.

Obviously, these young people don't know what a good mom is.
oh yeah - and a good mom doesn't kill her baby and throw her away like garbage.

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[Baznme]

BBM - Yes, this is what I said above & agree 100%. I'm not so sure about her wanting her dad "taken out" by one of these guys. I think it was purely for the sympathy.

I agree with that. She was looking for the "Knight" that would take her away from all that negativity and provide for "her" and no one else.

JG described her as a "diabolical liar" from practically the first time he was interviewed.

 

[Bittiness39]

BBM - Yes, this is what I said above & agree 100%. I'm not so sure about her wanting her dad "taken out" by one of these guys. I think it was purely for the sympathy.

ITA in part. I just wonder because ICA was telling a lot of "friends" that she was going to get the family home (lol)...that she wasn't thinking about ridding herself of GA, and possibly CA. JMO.

I do think it is interesting that the molestation story from ICA started when she moved in with the Grunds after she had Caylee...this was after GA had left the home and come back...he wasn't buying her lies, her "job" etc...she wanted him gone...because as even CA has said they were so close at that point. When GA was gone. He comes back and isn't buying ICA's bullchit. I talked about this with another poster and she thinks it is because ICA didn't want the A's close to the Grundes so that the two families couldn't compare notes on ICA. Look it, at some point even the RG got fed up with ICA leaving Caylee all of the time with them. He didn't really believe she had a job either...and when he calls her out on the whole "we can't watch Caylee 24/7" she responds with "Don't worry. I have a nanny." and very soon thereafter ICA removes herself from JG and the family and moves back home. As soon as her bluff is called she just reinvents another lie...likely to her family about how awful the G's were (IMO) and moves back home...and then says hateful things about the G's to her family to keep them from comparing notes. It is very insightful, imo, about how ICA really operates. She gets found out and then she lies...and sadly, people just believe her initially.

 

[Melanie]

The DT just deposed him in February !

Does anyone know when the depos will be released to the public?

Thanks,

Mel

 

[RR0004]

The title of this article should be: Tony Lazarro- Casey claimed her father abused her

If she was so afraid of her father why would she even joke about her father not having a job...what was that book she and Lee were talking about buying their father a "How to Find a Job"...book for Dummies? And can someone please tell me where I read that first? Anyway, the point is...she didn't seem to fear her father AT ALL...why would she leave Caylee with her parents if she feared either one of them?

 

[krimekat]

It was in the article that . . .

Amy recalled Cindy Anthony describing the odor in Casey's car as "the most horrible smell that she had ever smelled and that they were terrified that it was either Casey or Caylee in the car – in the trunk – until they got it open."

and Tony said . . .

Caylee never appeared to be neglected or abused, but when asked about Casey, Lazzaro said she had told him about being abused herself.

"I just don't recall it being sexual in nature," Lazzaro said. "It could have been. Honestly, it would have been much better to do this at that time. I just know she said that they didn't live together and she made it sound like her dad was like this really bad guy."

I cannot believe it took the DT >2.5 yrs to depo these important witnesses!

 

[Tiki]

I came from a very disciplined home. I would be sent to my room w/o dinner, no tv, no desert, no friends over - you know all those things you want. All I wanted in life was approval from my parents (good Lord, I'm 47 and still harping on about that).

What I'm getting at is if you see a child very well behaved, there's a reason for it. I see the kids nowadays where the parents could give a flying flip, and I see how those kids act - not a care in the world. The kids who throw themselves in the grocery store aisle. I did that once. My mum grabbed me by the arm so hard she knocked the socket right out. Well I never did THAT again. Mum said it was my fault because I pulled back.

Okay - where's my shrink!

Anyway - Caylee Marie acted like the perfect child because <insert your theory here>

MOO

Mel

Caylee Marie acted like the perfect child because, if she didn't, she'd get locked in the trunk again.

 

[Ricki]

The title of this article should be: Tony Lazarro- Casey claimed her father abused her

I wonder how the conversations of abuse played out. "I like the beach and nachos and I like you too-by the way my dad hits me"

 

[Baznme]

It's a real shame that this girl did not know how to tell the truth about anything. She didn't know how to take responsibility for her own actions, and IMO Caylee was one of those I'm speaking to. (in her mind)

She didn't/doesn't know the first thing about integrity, strong character, honesty or positive morals. She had/has a very distorted self-image and no respect for anyone. This same frame of mind is now being projected as "I didn't do this". How naive does she/her defense team think the jury is going to be if this is all they have to offer up? I'm amazed that the attempts to garner sympathy for her keeps getting worse and worse.

 

[Itsy]

ITA in part. I just wonder because ICA was telling a lot of "friends" that she was going to get the family home (lol)...that she wasn't thinking about ridding herself of GA, and possibly CA. JMO.

I do think it is interesting that the molestation story from ICA started when she moved in with the Grunds after she had Caylee...this was after GA had left the home and come back...he wasn't buying her lies, her "job" etc...she wanted him gone...because as even CA has said they were so close at that point. When GA was gone. He comes back and isn't buying ICA's bullchit. I talked about this with another poster and she thinks it is because ICA didn't want the A's close to the Grundes so that the two families couldn't compare notes on ICA. Look it, at some point even the RG got fed up with ICA leaving Caylee all of the time with them. He didn't really believe she had a job either...and when he calls her out on the whole "we can't watch Caylee 24/7" she responds with "Don't worry. I have a nanny." and very soon thereafter ICA removes herself from JG and the family and moves back home. As soon as her bluff is called she just reinvents another lie...likely to her family about how awful the G's were (IMO) and moves back home...and then says hateful things about the G's to her family to keep them from comparing notes. It is very insightful, imo, about how ICA really operates. She gets found out and then she lies...and sadly, people just believe her initially.

I do agree with what you say here, but I still don't think she was hoping one of her guys would do the dirty work. She has stricken me since the beginning as one who takes care of her problems herself. I think when it came right down to it, she couldn't follow through with getting rid of her parents. She must've been smart enough to realize she wasn't smart enough to get away with it. :crazy:

People believe her because she's a very good liar. Someone here once said she's a "lying liar who lies" and that pretty much sums her up, IMO. No regard for other's feelings or opinions of her - she could care less if they believe her or not. She tells her stories and sticks to them.

 

[Tiki]

I had to laugh a little at tony saying ICA was a great girlfriend.

Sure - she supplied food and cooked it - beer, too. She cleaned the apartment; she did their laundry ( haha - my kids did their own laundry at 11 years old) and he got sex whenever he wanted - even if Caylee had to be left alone in the other room.

Sorry - I'm harping on that - but how does that seem okay to anyone?

 

[Itsy]

Caylee Marie acted like the perfect child because, if she didn't, she'd get locked in the trunk again.

I have wondered many times if Casey did indeed use the trunk as a nighttime babysitter (maybe with some Benadryl or Xanax to help). Nighttime temps in FL are not unbearable, especially in the spring into early summer, so it's entirely possible to me that she did this to Caylee. :maddening: I do still wonder what the he!! she did with her during the daytime, though. I guess they could have gone to parks, malls, etc. until it was time for her to come home from "working."

 

[Baznme]

IMO - ICA's behavioral symptoms are similiar to this.


"The defining characteristics of pseudologia fantastica are that, first, the stories told are not entirely improbable and often have some element of truth."
(i.e., "mistruths")

Got this from Wiki but can't figure out how to insert the link. sorry.

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

What has always cracked me up with the As is nobody was good enough for the Princess. She was no prize catch that is for sure. Yet GA was always ready to kick somebody in the booty over her. She lied on her boyfriends just like she lied on her parents. They will all come back to haunt her. There is no excuse for any of her actions nor for the A family.

 

[Tiki]

I have always wondered where the he77 little Caylee was when she was not with ICA and George and CA were working. Nobody ever took care of her except "Zanny", the imaginary nanny.

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[faefrost]

IIRC, she also told this story to RM and JG. Why would a girl tell something like this to only her boyfriends? What is the motive or psychology there? She never told girlfriends? She never told male friends like RyanP, or SeanD?
Did she tell earlier boyfriends this (was ChrisS earlier?), or did this story start after Caylee was born?

Because it is a very very effective way of compartmentalizing her boyfriends from her parents. It eliminates that whole situation where the parents seem to really like the boyfriend, perhaps more than the lying stealing fraud of a daughter. It creates an instant and easily manipulatable hostile environment between her suitors and her family. which keeps her completely in control.

And she did use lies to similar purpose with female friends. Note telling Kiyomarie (sp?) that her mother was a racist who hated Spanish people and wouldn't allow them in the house. Or note Amy's deposition where it is clear that she had been told some tales about KC's family life to give her a negative impression before she ever met them. (I'm not saying that there isn't plenty of reason to have negative reactions to the A's. They really are abhorrent. But don't trust any stories from KC, ever.)

 

[Bittiness39]

I had to laugh a little at tony saying ICA was a great girlfriend.

Sure - she supplied food and cooked it - beer, too. She cleaned the apartment; she did their laundry ( haha - my kids did their own laundry at 11 years old) and he got sex whenever he wanted - even if Caylee had to be left alone in the other room.

Sorry - I'm harping on that - but how does that seem okay to anyone?

When the only personality ICA has/had was doing whatever took her to the next place (ie...keeping her from actually working, doing anything other than living off of someone else) then it makes sense. What guy of Tony's age wouldn't want someone to have the naked time with, clean house, make dinner? I think though that he was not that infatuated with her. Hence, why she kept so many other men in the backfield. We have since learned she wasn't exclusive with Tony...she was still playing the odds.

As sickening as it is to me, Caylee was just a poker chip. Where can I land next so I don't have to work? When you see Caylee through Casey's eyes, the true Casey, you can feel sick inside but still understand why Casey felt nothing after Caylee was gone. Because she was just a chip. A means to an end. Lament her for five seconds, in the mind of Casey, and then move on to another scam. Otherwise, why let JG believe falsely that he was the father? Just a means to an end. Her parents finally after years of her lies, called her bluff...and basically (imo) said that she would have to move out and they would take Caylee from her. Hence, no more free babysitters...no more partying on her parent's tab. No more places to go. I think that was why she invented the tale that she miscarried at the "no clothes party" trying yet again and unsuccessfully to indebt someone else. She thought that Tony might move back to NY...he had no loyalty to keep her up nor was he someone she could accuse of being Caylee's father...I don't blame Tony...I think he was just a typical guy that clearly fell under her spell. When you think about how long and hard Casey has been lying, since she was a child, she lied about being able to graduate, lied up until the moment of graduation when she and her parents had to get her grandparents out of the actual audience to tell them she wouldn't be crossing the stage...what I can't fathom is why we believe, or why anyone has a moment's thought about anything she has said or will say.

It is all to avoid fault and responsibilty. Something Cindy shielded her from up until those last three months before Caylee was killed. Finally, CA had had enough. And look at the end result. It makes sense. It makes me sick to my stomach and it is pure evil but Casey plays everyone to her own ends. And it is totally obvious to me. JMO.

 

[Atlanta PI]

Caylee Marie acted like the perfect child because, if she didn't, she'd get locked in the trunk again.

My thoughts exactly. Not only again, but sooner than she normally did after mommy made her "sleepy."

 

[Softail]

The DT just deposed him in February !

Thanks... I was wondering.. :waitasec: