2011.02.24 Deviant images & 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 found on a computer and memory stick

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Nancy Grace- January 12, 2011

Guess Billie did know why SA called Hailey "that"

GRACE: -- she`s promiscuous. That doesn`t even make sense. That`s not true.

DUNN: It isn`t true. I don`t know why he would say that. We have never -- we have never thought that. I did talk to Hailey about birth control once or twice. She didn`t feel the need to even think about it. We talked about it.

I don`t know why he would say that about my daughter. Me, or Clint, either one have ever thought she was promiscuous or having sex.

GRACE: You know, look at her. This is a little girl, she is an all- American little girl, scrubbed and sunshine.

DUNN: She`s a baby.

GRACE: Look at her. She`s 13. And I don`t understand, I`ve got a big problem with him even saying that. But another thing has come up -- ....

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/12/ng.01.html
 
Missizzy said:
Missizzy here. Man, do I love it that my name comes to mind when bestiality comes up. Yes, I did quite a bit of research as this issue was a huge one in our children's rape case. They were forced to watch animal abuse and torture as a threat to keep their silence. Since that time, I've always watched the criminal cases involving bestiality and animal torture--sometimes one and the same, other times, very different. There's a huge group of zoophiles out there who believe that this is just another sexual orientation. That's one issue. Of probable pertinence in this case (of which I do not know the facts) is that the collection and distribution of bestiality 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and practice often go hand in hand with child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and abuse. Both are used as commodities in trade.

There have been a number of arrests within the last year where people have been arrested for forcing children to sexually interact with animals--usually dogs and horses. Meth use is often sited as a factor as meth has a tendency to raise the bar higher and higher concerning sexual deviancy. I've been told by our DA and several other attorneys and caseworkers that if a meth house is busted, with children present, you can almost be certain that the children have been abused and you can almost be certain that a number of unique sex toys will be present.

I believe the research that Filly is referring to is on the Douglas Spink thread. It's not for the faint of heart. Spink and his "friends" have spent years promoting their ideology of zoophilia. When he was arrested last year, along with a British tourist who traveled to the states to have sex with dogs and horses at Spink's compound, child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 was found. My guess is that it was a bargaining component.

Here's the link to that thread. Don't anyone say that I didn't warn you. FWIW, I do NOT enjoy this research. I happen to love children and animals and I simply refuse to turn away. Someone must bear witness:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101853&highlight=douglas+spink
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I was just sitting here thinking what poor soul (or souls) had to look at all of those pictures? ~God Bless everyone that has to look and learn about this stuff! Someone has to in order protect our children from it and get the people of the streets!
 
TY Missizzy.

I will try to brace myself & read up on the topic - and TY for the warning. Just the little bit of info you mentioned in your post above about the correlation between bestiality & child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 alarms me, since BOTH of those types of material has been found on a computer connected to Hailey's case, as well as the mem stick found in Billie's dresser drawer.

I had no idea the two often went hand in hand. Ugh.

This is the kind of knowledge I had never in my wildest dreams or darkest nightmares expected to feel compelled to educate myself on.

Okay - taking a deep breath. Here I go.
 
I won't look or read Miss Izzy, but bless your heart for bearing witness for the children.
Hugs to you! You deserve much more ...
 
I had always thought that he most likely suspect and most likely motive, statistically, would be Shawn. The chances that a live in boyfriend of the mother, would sexually assault a young child are extremely high statistically. But after seeing the study of that deviant 🤬🤬🤬🤬 I see the connection to Hailey as undeniable. If Shawn was looking at images of child rape and girls having sex with dogs, while Hailey was asleep alone in the next room...????????
 
Another thread we have concerning the combination of bestiality and child sexual abuse:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ght=oregon+couple+charged+sexual+assault+dogs

I really don't know how this info might pertain to this case but it's clear to me that two things are at play. First some people are so sick or so strung out that they require a greater level of deviancy and risk to be sexually satiated. And secondly, isn't it interesting how those without "voices"--children, the disabled, elders, and animals--often fall prey to that twisted power trip?

I don't want to encourage a single person to read anything that they are uncomfortable with. However, I truly hope that the word gets out to the general public that this is a very real problem. It's sure not a favorite with politicians but laws are slowly being changed. If you do choose to read up on the Spink thread, you might want to just concentrate on the posts about studies and advocacy and stay away from the details. I tried hard to put warnings on posts which I thought could be triggers. But I think it's important that people know that magazines as mainstream as Scientific American have actually run articles on the growing "lifestyle" choice of zoophilia.

It might be a good time to check your state laws on the issue. Spink's crimes, alone, have brought about a good bit of change. It's not going away.
 
Knox said:
I won't look or read Miss Izzy, but bless your heart for bearing witness for the children.
Hugs to you! You deserve much more ...
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I won't be looking either, but hats off to those of you brave enough to educate yourselves on this matter.
 
gngr~snap said:
Nancy Grace- January 12, 2011

Guess Billie did know why SA called Hailey "that"

GRACE: -- she`s promiscuous. That doesn`t even make sense. That`s not true.

DUNN: It isn`t true. I don`t know why he would say that. We have never -- we have never thought that. I did talk to Hailey about birth control once or twice. She didn`t feel the need to even think about it. We talked about it.

I don`t know why he would say that about my daughter. Me, or Clint, either one have ever thought she was promiscuous or having sex.

GRACE: You know, look at her. This is a little girl, she is an all- American little girl, scrubbed and sunshine.

DUNN: She`s a baby.

GRACE: Look at her. She`s 13. And I don`t understand, I`ve got a big problem with him even saying that. But another thing has come up -- ....

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/12/ng.01.html
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Was Hailey at risk of becoming pregnant? Do we know if Hailey had started to menstruate?

I think Shawn stalked Hailey and said Hailey was promiscious to blame her for what he did to her; IOW, Hailey "wanted it/ or him.
 
Bluesky#1 said:
Was Hailey at risk of becoming pregnant? Do we know if Hailey had s
tarted to menstruate?

I think Shawn stalked Hailey and said Hailey was promiscious to blame her for what he did to her; IOW, Hailey "wanted it/ or him.
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I think that is exactly what he was saying. Perps always blame the victim.
 
So far - after just a few minutes of reading about the connection between child sexual abuse/child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and bestiality, I have learned this:

I will attempt to put this as delicately as possible. It appears that one of the types of currencies exchanged (besides money) as payment for engaging in *relations* with an animal, is the currency of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.

I'm basing this speculation on what I've recently read on the WS thread Missizzy provided.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101853&highlight=douglas+spink

Since images/videos of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 AND bestiality have been found on a computer & memory stick during the investigation of this case, I can't help but wonder what types of activities SA and/or BD may have been involved in.

MOO
 
Bluesky#1 said:
Was Hailey at risk of becoming pregnant? Do we know if Hailey had started to menstruate?

I think Shawn stalked Hailey and said Hailey was promiscious to blame her for what he did to her; IOW, Hailey "wanted it/ or him.
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Girls start as early as 10, and I've seen many a girl pg at 12. Not going to speculate on this MB about the thoughts on this are though. I'll keep those thoughts to meeself.

MOO

Mel
 
could there be allot more media sticks? That they cleaned up, but forgot that 1.
I'm thinking not everything has been found.
Boy I hope that house is bugged!
IIRC Drew P. and Anthonys were very afraid of bugs in their houses.
That is how LE caught that couple in Fla years ago, listening devices!!!!
 
passionflower said:
could there be allot more media sticks? That they cleaned up, but forgot that 1.
I'm thinking not everything has been found.
Boy I hope that house is bugged!
IIRC Drew P. and Anthonys were very afraid of bugs in their houses.
That is how LE caught that couple in Fla years ago, listening devices!!!!
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That might be the reason they were not arrested after cops found the 🤬🤬🤬🤬. Maybe they were hoping to overhear them discussing something.

I think there were a lot more 🤬🤬🤬🤬 stix. That one got overlooked, luckiliy.
 
sorrell skye said:
So far - after just a few minutes of reading about the connection between child sexual abuse/child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and bestiality, I have learned this:

I will attempt to put this as delicately as possible. It appears that one of the types of currencies exchanged (besides money) as payment for engaging in *relations* with an animal, is the currency of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.

I'm basing this speculation on what I've recently read on the WS thread Missizzy provided.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101853&highlight=douglas+spink

Since images/videos of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 AND bestiality have been found on a computer & memory stick during the investigation of this case, I can't help but wonder what types of activities SA and/or BD may have been involved in.

MOO
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Thanks sorrell for doing some digging into something that is so very unsettling to say the least..It really is an understatement for how it makes one feel when researching through this specific area.. I cannot delve very deeply into myself..I find that it affects me deeply and as tho I literally want to scrub my entire body clean just even after reading and comprehending the depravity that a human being is capable of "enjoying" this and my mind cannot even go to the fact that there are humans that "engage" in these immoral..criminally deviant behaviors and actions.. My mind cannot comprehend that type of soul that would delight in these things..

but yet at the same time we as parents of children growing up in these evil days MUST know ALL OF the dangers that are surrounding us and our children in this day and age.. Denying that it is out there..or acting as tho it doesn't take place in the areas you live in..These mindsets IMO only further allow this evil to grow..with everyones back turned away and turning a blind eye to these atrocities because they were to difficult for us to comprehend much less educate ourselves about these horrors is only positively affecting these evil behaviors and actions.

So as uncomfortable and disturbing as this subject is I as a parent feel that it is my duty to protect my child from all evils and that includes this.. Therefor I do have to admit and understand that its happening and educate myself so that I may further protect my child..

Sorry didn't mean to get on a soapbox..I'm finished
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Again Thanks sorrell for finding us this info..
 
passionflower said:
could there be allot more media sticks? That they cleaned up, but forgot that 1.
I'm thinking not everything has been found.
Boy I hope that house is bugged!
IIRC Drew P. and Anthonys were very afraid of bugs in their houses.
That is how LE caught that couple in Fla
years ago, listening devices!!!!
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The "sticks" may implicate several people or an entire ring of "dealers". IMO they have nowhere to run. If they have accidentally outed a big wig, they aren't safe walking around. If they go to jail the aren't safe cause even hardened criminals have no tolerance for people involved in distribution of /participation in violent acts on children...

MOO~
 
Knox said:
Huge fires, burned two homes, 3 oil storage tanks ... Man, I know this is going to sound paranoid, but what if this was done to take the focus off of the investigation? PK is evacuating homes on the north side of town, now. Sorry OT~
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I've never started a thread and don't know where to post this:

Mitchell County Fire Injures One, Destroys Two Homes
A fire in Mitchell County has burned more than 800 acres, destroyed two homes and injured a local fire fighter with second degree burns, according to the Texas Forest Service.

http://www.ktxs.com/index.html
 
Smooth - I don't deserve any thanks. Our fellow WS poster, Missizzy, is the one who deserves the accolades. I am merely following up on the information she (and others) have found, and have posted here what I personally find relevant to Hailey's case.

I do agree that we must be educated and must refuse to live in denial if we are to protect the present & future generations.

We must rise up as Wise Women and Wise Men so that we may offer counsel to those who are coming up the path behind us, and for those who will someday forge the path ahead after we are no longer here.

We must all learn from our own life experiences, and from the life experiences of one other. We each must offer what we have learned to those who have not yet gained knowledge, in the hope they will hear, and in the hope of sparing them the pain of our own hard-won lessons.

Turning a deaf ear is not (and has never been) my way.

As a survivor of domestic violence, during my graduate program (which occurred later in life after a divorce from an abusive partner) I completed a volunteer internship as a victim's advocate in the Domestic Violence Unit in my county DA's office.

The most important lesson I have learned (personally and professionally): Trust your instincts. Trust your gut. Trust your intuition. They will serve you well. They are your Allies.

Gavin DeBecker has authored a book, titled "The Gift of Fear". I encourage everyone to read it.
 
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