2011.03.04 Motions Hearing - #2 (PM)

[logicalgirl]

Yes, I have heard this voice message. I was actually hoping that LDB would have played it for the judge, but there really was no need to since Cindy out right admitted that she wasn't an agent of the state. Whether she meant to or not?

No way do I think either she or George could ever be agents of the state - they are both unbelievably aggressive and argumentative around real "agents of the state" like the LE, the SA - which strikes me as extremely odd. Both break up in tears whenever anything about Caylee is mentioned and both swear they were doing everything to find her, and yet they both still refuse to consider their daughter is clearly responsible for the terrible crime when all evidence points toward her, and no one else.

Like it is the fault of the LE and the SA their daughter did this and is on trial for her life? :waitasec:

I guess it seems like a better path to them than blaming themselves.....:innocent:

Their crash landing into reality is going to be really really bad......

 

[A_News_Junkie]

No - I'm not using the right term but they do not agree with the States argument so I don't think this it's an agreement if the Defense wants to argue it in Frye? kay:

This getting up at 5am every morning for three days in a row has done my mind completely in!

Just did a fast forward --All In Session caught of this exchange was JA saying that that matter is resolved. Second matter - someone coughs to loud to hear what he said.
I took it as part of the issues were resolved by agreement of the parties but not all. (Clear -- if not, add mud!)

 

[logicalgirl]

Just did a fast forward --All In Session caught of this exchange was JA saying that that matter is resolved. Second matter - someone coughs to loud to hear what he said.
I took it as part of the issues were resolved by agreement of the parties but not all. (Clear -- if not, add mud!)

It is resolved because Dorothy Simms is getting her "report" to HHJP by Monday, Ashton has agreed to respond by Tuesday and HHJP said he will make a decision by next Friday - I guess about whether or not her argument/report is good enough to warrant a Frye.

 

[GetSmart]

I really, really want to see the testimony of the officer who handcuffed KC again. Does anyone have a link to this? To me it was one of the most important ones we heard but the news sites haven't posted any video of the officers' testimony.

This is what I have to say about the handcuff thing:


It is never brought up the reasoning behind the handcuffs... I think That would make all this moot...Often police will handcuff a person in these situations.

This call started out as a stolen car .. then progressed to missing child .. They had no clue what it could escalate into to. I am sure crying and yelling was taking place ect..

The police have to protect themselves.. they do carry weapons on their person .. anyone in this household could go extreme..

Even I as a lay person knows why she was handcuffed NOT ARRESTED at that time...

So why don't they just say that..

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I really, really want to see the testimony of the officer who handcuffed KC again. Does anyone have a link to this? To me it was one of the most important ones we heard but the news sites haven't posted any video of the officers' testimony.

Give me the name and about what day and time he was on the stand and I will see if I have it in the InSessions on my DVR and if I do I will upload it to youtube for ya.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

This is what I have to say about the handcuff thing:


It is never brought up the reasoning behind the handcuffs... I think That would make all this moot...Often police will handcuff a person in these situations.

This call started out as a stolen car .. then progressed to missing child .. They had no clue what it could escalate into to. I am sure crying and yelling was taking place ect..

The police have to protect themselves.. they do carry weapons on their person .. anyone in this household could go extreme..

Even I as a lay person knows why she was handcuffed NOT ARRESTED at that time...

So why don't they just say that..

<------- Yeah, what she said! Plus, in my layperson mind, if she was "IN CUSTODY" for anything it was for stolen property - nothing relating to Caylee -- not even the neglect at that point of 3-5 mins

 

[LyndyLoo]

This is what I have to say about the handcuff thing:


It is never brought up the reasoning behind the handcuffs... I think That would make all this moot...Often police will handcuff a person in these situations.

This call started out as a stolen car .. then progressed to missing child .. They had no clue what it could escalate into to. I am sure crying and yelling was taking place ect..

The police have to protect themselves.. they do carry weapons on their person .. anyone in this household could go extreme..

Even I as a lay person knows why she was handcuffed NOT ARRESTED at that time...

So why don't they just say that..

I tend to think that Cindy forgot (hummmmm) that she came on to this poor officer demanding Casey be arrested for Credit card theft and car issue..showing him documents of such..I find it amazing that Cindy would suggest she was shocked Casey was put in cuffs and put in back of car??..It was her insistance as she was afraid Casey would flee and THEY WANTED to find Caylee!!

Bottomline for me Cindy and George just cant speak truths..I happen to believe once they understood Caylee was GONE..they renewed efforts to SAVE CASEY!! and they have done nothing but badmouth LE or anyone looking for Caylee (TES) ever since!!..These grandparents/parents have alot to atone for when they meet their maker :crazy:..

Sorry, as much as I want to feel sympathy for these folks..Its next to impossible for me when I watched all the obstructions :maddening:

 

[Marina2]

No way do I think either she or George could ever be agents of the state - they are both unbelievably aggressive and argumentative around real "agents of the state" like the LE, the SA - which strikes me as extremely odd. Both break up in tears whenever anything about Caylee is mentioned and both swear they were doing everything to find her, and yet they both still refuse to consider their daughter is clearly responsible for the terrible crime when all evidence points toward her, and no one else.

Like it is the fault of the LE and the SA their daughter did this and is on trial for her life? :waitasec:

I guess it seems like a better path to them than blaming themselves.....:innocent:

Their crash landing into reality is going to be really really bad......

There was a time in the very beginning when GA did not want CA or LA to know he was meeting with LE. I believe it was when the 911 tapes were played for them. The investigators assured him that they wouldn't hear it from them. They even lied to LA when they called him to come listen to the tapes and told him his dad was on the way as well even though he had been sitting there talking with them for some time. I'm surprised the defense didn't twist this into some kind of conspiracy between GA and the state against KC.

 

[logicalgirl]

<------- Yeah, what she said! Plus, in my layperson mind, if she was "IN CUSTODY" for anything it was for stolen property - nothing relating to Caylee -- not even the neglect at that point of 3-5 mins

Sure and she went for a stroll with Det. Allan and said it was just a hassle between her and her mother about custody of Caylee...
And Cindy admitted she wanted anything at all done to stop ICA from leaving the house, including having her charged with theft of a vehicle and stolen cheques, or if she had to - she would sit on her herself.

Can you believe CA was in this kid's face to do something - anything? He probably stuck ICA in his car to calm Cindy down and get her to back off.

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

Just FYI - Velez Mitchell covering it, Sunny Austin TruTV, Leonard All Hat No Cattle and Stacey Honowicz... getting a lot of wrong, spinning out of context. Consistent with previous. Good Greif - Leonard setting a couple things straight - Guess I'm gonna hafta eat some of that hat....

 

[Marina2]

Give me the name and about what day and time he was on the stand and I will see if I have it in the InSessions on my DVR and if I do I will upload it to youtube for ya.

It was on the first day during the motion to suppress statements KC made. His name was Ryan something. He was really reserved and nervous on the stand since he was the one who put the handcuffs on KC. I believe he testified after CA and GA but it may have been after Melich too.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Not sure just where to place this..but it is the Expert Testimony's

Casey Docs Reveal Defense Expert Witnesses' Testimony

http://www.wftv.com/news/27085615/detail.html

If this isnt the right place..please move to appropriate thread..TYIA :waitasec:

 

[logicalgirl]

There was a time in the very beginning when GA did not want CA or LA to know he was meeting with LE. I believe it was when the 911 tapes were played for them. The investigators assured him that they wouldn't hear it from them. They even lied to LA when they called him to come listen to the tapes and told him his dad was on the way as well even though he had been sitting there talking with them for some time. I'm surprised the defense didn't twist this into some kind of conspiracy between GA and the state against KC.

I don't know how the Defense could prove anything BUT no harm no foul - the LE must talk at length to family members regarding the details surrounding the disappearance of a missing child, especially when the mother of the child has herself admitted everything she said was a lie.

 

[Intermezzo]

This is what I have to say about the handcuff thing:


It is never brought up the reasoning behind the handcuffs... I think That would make all this moot...Often police will handcuff a person in these situations.

This call started out as a stolen car .. then progressed to missing child .. They had no clue what it could escalate into to. I am sure crying and yelling was taking place ect..

The police have to protect themselves.. they do carry weapons on their person .. anyone in this household could go extreme..

Even I as a lay person knows why she was handcuffed NOT ARRESTED at that time...

So why don't they just say that..

<------- Yeah, what she said! Plus, in my layperson mind, if she was "IN CUSTODY" for anything it was for stolen property - nothing relating to Caylee -- not even the neglect at that point of 3-5 mins

I agree with both..

Cindy's first 911 call was she wanted Casey ARRESTED for Stealing Money AND Stealing an Auto.
IMO LE first to respond had to do with those issues...then they learned it was about a missing child...

LE had to sift through what they were first dispatched for "I want someone arrested for stealing money and a car" TO "I just found out my grandaughter's been taken"

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Sure and she went for a stroll with Det. Allan and said it was just a hassle between her and her mother about custody of Caylee...
And Cindy admitted she wanted anything at all done to stop ICA from leaving the house, including having her charged with theft of a vehicle and stolen cheques, or if she had to - she would sit on her herself.

Can you believe CA was in this kid's face to do something - anything? He probably stuck ICA in his car to calm Cindy down and get her to back off.

Not to mention that he was probably protecting KC from a murder! But............ya think the guy got thanked? :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[ThinkTank]

Round of applause for faefrost!
JB's "apology" today sounds very similar to what ff posted on Tuesday!
and remember JB wanted to cover the contempt Motion (show cause) first thing, but Judge P said no stick to the schedule.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6170311#post6170311"]2010.12.21 Stream of Motions - General Discussion - Page 48 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

faefrost
3/1/2011
"Oh my! JB did intern with some real lawyers right? I mean didn't he work for the public defenders office or somesuch before he was admitted to the bar? Does anyone know if he ever participated in any cases that actually went all the way to trial? Did no one teach him that you don't throw this much waste matter at the judge and opposition if you hope to have anything even vaguely resembling a happy outcome for your client?

I mean really? In the case of this Motion to Show Cause. A real professional lawyer would suck it up to the benefit of his client. "I'm sorry your honor. I misread the document and missed that you had required a summary of all including what had previously been filed. As soon as I was made aware of this error I contacted the court seeking clarification and advisement. I have since submitted to opposing council the required materials and hopefully we should all be square. My deepest apologies to the court and my opposing council on this one. I dropped the ball and misread the sentence in the order. I would request that my client not be impacted by this."

Politely and meekly take the bullet. Accept the tongue lashing. Promise not to do it again and move on. That's really all JA wants. He is simply rattling the defenses cage with this seeking to push the issue that deadlines can no longer be ignored and he expects a certain minimal degree of professional conduct from the defense. Sadly JB's filing proves that he still does not get it. And guess what JB. Yeah the op council can harass you for your blatant screw ups and mistakes. The trick is don't make any."

 

[Intermezzo]

It was on the first day during the motion to suppress statements KC made. His name was Ryan something. He was really reserved and nervous on the stand since he was the one who put the handcuffs on KC. I believe he testified after CA and GA but it may have been after Melich too.

Ryan Eberlin, OCSO

 

[Marina2]

I don't know how the Defense could prove anything BUT no harm no foul - the LE must talk at length to family members regarding the details surrounding the disappearance of a missing child, especially when the mother of the child has herself admitted everything she said was a lie.

I wasn't saying that this would have helped the defense in any way. I think that motion will be denied. I'm just surprised they didn't try to use this in some way to support their motion considering all the other lame tactics they used. He was meeting with LE and didn't want the family to know about it.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Just FYI - Velez Mitchell covering it, Sunny Austin TruTV, Leonard All Hat No Cattle and Stacey Honowicz... getting a lot of wrong, spinning out of context. Consistent with previous. Good Greif - Leonard setting a couple things straight - Guess I'm gonna hafta eat some of that hat....

Eat Up!!!!!!!

 

[A_News_Junkie]

It was on the first day during the motion to suppress statements KC made. His name was Ryan something. He was really reserved and nervous on the stand since he was the one who put the handcuffs on KC. I believe he testified after CA and GA but it may have been after Melich too.

I will scan for that now and let you know here. If the thread closes before I return I will post a link in the [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123232"]2010.12.21 Stream of Motions - General Discussion[/ame] thread. (I smell BJB coming soon to shut us down :maddening: )