2011.03.09 ~ Clint Dunn on Bring them Home

[curiousc]

It's very telling that two parents, even though separated, are not on the same page when it comes to their missing child.

 

[hollyblue]

I agree. Clint is probably very vulnerable right now and would be willing to believe anything that means Hailey is alive. I am assuming he got his statistic about 100k-300k kids kidnapped by sex traffickers every year from the organization, and I'm pretty sure that isn't true. If Hailey was kidnapped by some sex trafficker and transported out of the country, she would be the stereotypical abduction, and there are only 115 cases of that per year. There is definitely not 100k-300k kids a year being kidnapped off the street and being put into cages on a boat to Asia. I don't blame Clint at all for giving out exaggerated statistics at all; I'm sure that organization had to do everything possible to get him to believe that could have happened to Hailey.

I think Clint is confused on the stats, but knows how huge the problem is and is becoming....The internet has prolly helped these tremendously in doing their business(s).

I believe one of hosts stated at the end of 2010 there were over 85,000 missing kids...or under the age of 18. Human trafficking is just not an out of country problem..it's within our own borders...and thrown into the pot of child and prostitution. Although, HD being blonde and so close to MX border...she would be a "prize" to get across the border. imo.

 

[curiousc]

I do want to speculate here.

Could LE not be opening the lines of communication with CD because they are afraid what CD might do if he learned the truth of what they know?

Could LE not be keeping in contact with CD as they want BD and SA to continue speaking in the media so they can hang themselves even more? If CD knew what LE knew, I don't think CD would keep quiet about it. IMO

 

[SmoothOperator]

Any thoughts on why they came back twice and ask him about the 911Trafficking Conference? I thought it a little strange..especially knowing it's a short interview?

Since you asked I'll be happy to give what is my opinion about their reasons for sticking with this "safe" topic tonight.. IMO it is because it kept any more negative light from being shone on Billie.. Just as I said last week on the BTH show with Billie I think its quite obvious that Billie and Bea have gotten fairly close and its IMO that just as Billie does with everyone and everything else in her life she uses and/or manipulates it/them to what will benefit her most.. I think she is using Bea to supply her a forum and a mouthpiece to further the PRO Billie/Shawn's Innocence Propaganda..

Therefor naturally when someone has any type relationship with someone they naturally would want as little negative said or thought about the person as possible..I am not in any way bad mouthing these women from BTH..I think what they do is great..It is Billie that my problem would lie with.. She once again manipulating to get what she wants out of life..IMO that's the only way Billie operates..jmo

I think the few tiny blurbs and glimpses we got of Clint's true feelings of this case including the were just as many of us suspected..He outright said those involved with the child will rot in hell and he wants them to rot in prison for their days here on earth..He flatout said Shawn should be in prison for the child ..as well as he reiterated once again that he and Billie Jean have not been on the same page since the beginning and that the straw that broke the camels back with his and Billie even speaking was this last affidavit{child /bs}.. I know he got slaughtered in the press and by many for his benign statement that his bro.in law released about the cp/bs but this man is doing what he can to try to find Hailey and I think that one point he was attempting to play "keep your enemies close" with Billie and thats why we saw the brief allusion of their once again being a united front for Hailey..

But enough's enough..he said it tonight clear as day..he cannot "have her back"{defend her} when she is involved in these type things that have come to light..and I'm glad that he was atleast able to get that out before being mis directed to the irrelevant trafficking issue..{and don't get me wrong I understand the dire need for light to be shone on this evil trade..but tonite IMO it was only used as a way to keep Billie's name and subject off the list of topics for discussion..MOO}

As far as Clint's not wanting to just completely call Shawn out for what I think he knows deep in his heart is the truth{i.e. that he killed Hailey} is because of a couple of things.. No.1 he wants to hold onto the hope and possibility of her being alive out there somewhere..even if it is a million to one odds.. No.2 while still holding on to that sliver of hope he knows full well that Shawn being looked into and investigated is being thoroughly taken care of..so he feels that while still carrying that tiny bit of hope that he is going to spend his time in other areas besides Shawn..LE has that one well covered...and No.3 is that if Clint finally fully admits and lets it absorb in his mind and in his heart that Shawn is guilty..A) that means admitting Hailey is dead and gone forever FOR ABSOLUTE 100% SURE and..B)when he comes to this full realization I think he and most others know that with Shawn presently being as free as a bird walking the streets that Clint would most likely not be able to restrain himself from taking Shawn's life into his own hands and as most parents would readily admit that any of us would do to the one guilty of raping/murdering our child..he would kill Shawn.. Therefor Clint would be behind bars and of no use to his other living children that need him..

So ya see IMO there is very good and valid reason that Clint is choosing the route that he is presently choosing.. Its the best one given his choices..jmo tho..

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think LE knows who to trust in this case...everyone talks to everyone, Clint speaks up two weeks ago saying he doesn't believe SA is guilty...I am not surprised they are not communicating with either parent.

 

[yllek]

I just played the interview with Clint. Absolutely heartbreaking. The man is devastated. I do believe he is putting Hailey first and foremost and he is being her voice. I don't think Hailey is a victim of human trafficking, but sadly, it's one of the better options for Clint. I respect that he's learning all that he can about it; no doubt in my mind that Clint speaks his truth and he's genuine. Trafficking gives him some hope that Hailey is still alive. I'm glad he's out from under Billie's influence; he's back. LE can't tell him jack; they just can't risk their case. I also think a couple of people in CCity would be at high risk if Clint knew what I suspect LE knows. I think LE is both protecting their case and protecting Clint from himself. My heart hurts for Hailey and her dad.
P.s. Glad he let it be known exactly how he feels about child ; no buts about it - he wants those involved to spend their days in jail before they rot in hell. I agree!

 

[Laddsy]

Clint im sorry, but this is not a trafficking case. If it is I will shoot myself in the foot. Your energy is being wasted going in that route.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think Clint is confused on the stats, but knows how huge the problem is and is becoming....The internet has prolly helped these tremendously in doing their business(s).

I believe one of hosts stated at the end of 2010 there were over 85,000 missing kids...or under the age of 18. Human trafficking is just not an out of country problem..it's within our own borders...and thrown into the pot of child and prostitution. Although, HD being blonde and so close to MX border...she would be a "prize" to get across the border. imo.

85,000 missing kids does not mean that all 85,000 of those kids have been trafficked. Some of those children have been murdered by some predator and their bodies just haven't been found, others may have been taken by their non-custodial parent. A child who is trafficked would be a stereotypical abduction which is an abduction by a stranger where the child is transported 50 miles or way, detained overnight, held for ransom, or intended to be kept permanently or killed. There are 115 stereotypical abductions a year.

I am not denying that sex trafficking is a big problem but I believe that most of the girls who get involved in that were probably runaways who met some horrid people who basically forced/manipulated them into prostitution.

 

[cluciano63]

85,000 missing kids does not mean that all 85,000 of those kids have been trafficked. Some of those children have been murdered by some predator and their bodies just haven't been found, others may have been taken by their non-custodial parent. A child who is trafficked would be a stereotypical abduction which is an abduction by a stranger where the child is transported 50 miles or way, detained overnight, held for ransom, or intended to be kept permanently or killed. There are 115 stereotypical abductions a year.

I am not denying that sex trafficking is a big problem but I believe that most of the girls who get involved in that were probably runaways who met some horrid people who basically forced/manipulated them into prostitution.

In fact, I believe a great number of these are parental/custody situations. So that would bring the number down much lower.

 

[yllek]

Yes, it seems as though his attention is always elsewhere-- I think he needs to focus and work with LE. jmo

I agree that building a better relationship with LE is the best way for Clint to learn what really happened to his daughter. Right now, I think Clint is blaming LE for not doing enough because he simply can't accept that they are doing all the right things and they're on the right track. He wants his daughter found, but cannot accept the most likely answer. He's a loose cannon for LE; I think they just want him out of the equation so they can get to truth about Hailey. I worry what affect the truth is going to have on him. Hope he can take it and focus on making sure his other children are never exposed to foreseeable dangers for the rest of their lives. JMO...:heart:

 

[katydid23]

I do want to speculate here.

Could LE not be opening the lines of communication with CD because they are afraid what CD might do if he learned the truth of what they know?

Could LE not be keeping in contact with CD as they want BD and SA to continue speaking in the media so they can hang themselves even more? If CD knew what LE knew, I don't think CD would keep quiet about it. IMO

That is exactly what I think is going on. I don't think LE suspects Clint of anything, but they know he is or has been in close contact with Billie because they are Hailey's parents and they still are raising DD. I don't think they want Clint to know what they know because he might let things slip that would give Billie/Shawn a heads up. I also think they are protecting Clint in a way. If they told him about the child earlier, and if they shared their theory of what they think Shawn might have done....Clint would lose it. It is better that he is being kept out of the loop for now, imo.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I know Clint wants to believe she is alive, but in nearly every case involving some beautiful child, male or female, "human trafficking" comes up as a worse case scenario.

But nine times out of ten the cause of the disappearance is something much more close to home and yet just as sinister (or more sinister, if that's possible, because the child might know the perpetrator or kidnapper).

JMO :twocents:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I don't think LE knows who to trust in this case...everyone talks to everyone, Clint speaks up two weeks ago saying he doesn't believe SA is guilty...I am not surprised they are not communicating with either parent.

Exactly ... I do not believe LE trusts "anyone" in Hailey's family ...

Billie is "controlling" and "manipulative" and LE knows this ... and they know that Clint is a more laid back kind of person. I think that if LE tells Clint something, he may "slip" and tell Billie because of her manipulating and controlling personality, and who knows what kind of "hold" she has "over" Clint.

Also, Clint's mother Connie said on "Bring Them Home" blog radio show that she and Billie's mother Connie are good friends ...

I think if Clint knew something important, he may tell his mother and his mother may tell Billie's mother ... and Billie's mother tell Billie ... and Billie tell Shawn... and on and on ...

Another point is it did NOT help Clint to say that he thinks Shawn is not guilty ... LE's only named suspect.

This is unfortunate for Clint because he is Hailey's bio-father and he should be informed to any updates. I hope I do not get in T/O for saying this but it does not help much either that Clint had some "squirmishes" with the law. Combine his past with the "family dynamics" at issue here, and I think that LE had to make a decision based on what is best to find Hailey.

I hope this made sense and sorry for the rant.

Prayers for Hailey and that she is found soon !

 

[Knox]

LE has been very quiet lately. What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall, would love to hear what they are making of all this.

 

[WillenFan21]

I've seen various cases on Nancy Grace where the parents of a missing child say that LE is not telling them much of anything. I highly doubt it is because of Billie. It could be because of his past history with the law though.

 

[marlame]

Since you asked I'll be happy to give what is my opinion about their reasons for sticking with this "safe" topic tonight.. IMO it is because it kept any more negative light from being shone on Billie.. Just as I said last week on the BTH show with Billie I think its quite obvious that Billie and Bea have gotten fairly close and its IMO that just as Billie does with everyone and everything else in her life she uses and/or manipulates it/them to what will benefit her most.. I think she is using Bea to supply her a forum and a mouthpiece to further the PRO Billie/Shawn's Innocence Propaganda..

Therefor naturally when someone has any type relationship with someone they naturally would want as little negative said or thought about the person as possible..I am not in any way bad mouthing these women from BTH..I think what they do is great..It is Billie that my problem would lie with.. She once again manipulating to get what she wants out of life..IMO that's the only way Billie operates..jmo

I think the few tiny blurbs and glimpses we got of Clint's true feelings of this case including the were just as many of us suspected..He outright said those involved with the child will rot in hell and he wants them to rot in prison for their days here on earth..He flatout said Shawn should be in prison for the child ..as well as he reiterated once again that he and Billie Jean have not been on the same page since the beginning and that the straw that broke the camels back with his and Billie even speaking was this last affidavit{child /bs}.. I know he got slaughtered in the press and by many for his benign statement that his bro.in law released about the cp/bs but this man is doing what he can to try to find Hailey and I think that one point he was attempting to play "keep your enemies close" with Billie and thats why we saw the brief allusion of their once again being a united front for Hailey..

But enough's enough..he said it tonight clear as day..he cannot "have her back"{defend her} when she is involved in these type things that have come to light..and I'm glad that he was atleast able to get that out before being mis directed to the irrelevant trafficking issue..{and don't get me wrong I understand the dire need for light to be shone on this evil trade..but tonite IMO it was only used as a way to keep Billie's name and subject off the list of topics for discussion..MOO}

As far as Clint's not wanting to just completely call Shawn out for what I think he knows deep in his heart is the truth{i.e. that he killed Hailey} is because of a couple of things.. No.1 he wants to hold onto the hope and possibility of her being alive out there somewhere..even if it is a million to one odds.. No.2 while still holding on to that sliver of hope he knows full well that Shawn being looked into and investigated is being thoroughly taken care of..so he feels that while still carrying that tiny bit of hope that he is going to spend his time in other areas besides Shawn..LE has that one well covered...and No.3 is that if Clint finally fully admits and lets it absorb in his mind and in his heart that Shawn is guilty..A) that means admitting Hailey is dead and gone forever FOR ABSOLUTE 100% SURE and..B)when he comes to this full realization I think he and most others know that with Shawn presently being as free as a bird walking the streets that Clint would most likely not be able to restrain himself from taking Shawn's life into his own hands and as most parents would readily admit that any of us would do to the one guilty of raping/murdering our child..he would kill Shawn.. Therefor Clint would be behind bars and of no use to his other living children that need him..

So ya see IMO there is very good and valid reason that Clint is choosing the route that he is presently choosing.. Its the best one given his choices..jmo tho..

Hitting the "Thanks" button just wasn't enough! This is a brilliant post! The BBM part in RED says it all. When they do finally charge Shawn OR if Hailey is found deceased in or around Dunn/Big Springs/CC...LE better have Shawn locked in a JAIL CELL before they break it to Clint!!! Taking Shawn out with his own bare hands would just be too tempting... :justice:

JMO

 

[pms]

If I could offer Clint any kind of advice, it would be to go down to the police station every single day and scream, stomp his feet, make a scene, and demand information. It's unbelievable how LE is keeping him in the dark, especially since he's never even been considered a POI.

I agree with you 100% !! But I got the impression he is scared to death what LE will tell him and that may be holding him back from going to them. It sounded like he does believe Shawn did something to Hailey and at the same time praying he didn't so that there is hope that she will be found alive. So glad he put out there the way he feels about Billie I for one am happy that he is not buying all of her BS!! ~JMO~

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I know Clint wants to believe she is alive, but in nearly every case involving some beautiful child, male or female, "human trafficking" comes up as a worse case scenario.

But nine times out of ten the cause of the disappearance is something much more close to home and yet just as sinister (or more sinister, if that's possible, because the child might know the perpetrator or kidnapper).

JMO :twocents:

Agreed. I think in all the cases of missing children that have never be found 10+ years later, like Morgan Nick and Jacob Wetterling, it is more likely that they were killed shortly after they were abducted and their body is now just bones and hasn't been found than them being kidnapped into some sex ring and being tortured in some basement somewhere.

ETA: Also, IMO, a child being kidnapped into some sex ring might as well be dead because the chance of them ever coming home is pretty much zero. I just don't think a child being raped multiple times a day for months and years is that better of an alternative over being murdered, from the child's point of view.

 

[Crosby87]

Tonight Clint stated Hailey’s eye color changes which explains why her eye color was described as “green" on one poster and “hazel” on another. The affadavit states contact solution was found at her residence so I assumed Hailey wore green tinted lenses.

The scientific (latin) name for eyes that change color is Dominicas Moingna, coming from the latin term meaning "Eye of the Rainbow," symbolizing that the eye changes others with different surroundings.

One in maybe 86 people have been diagnosed with Dominicas Moingna. The reaction is due the a nerve in the pupil that has a different function than the regular eye. The pupil adjusts to the light and reflects off from it's surrounding.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_do_y..._change_color_with_surroundings#ixzz1GAT3BWOr

Snip

Personal items belonging to Hailey DUNN were left at the residence to include a toothbrush, hairbrush, contact solution, a new MP3 Player, and a jacket that friends say she would not leave home without.

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/hailey-dunn-search-warrant-affidavit-january-6-2011/

 

[cluciano63]

Clearly, Le is not going to share anything confidential with anyone who still speaks to anyone who speaks to SA, their suspect. And Clint has shown that he is easily led, at least to me, and also probably fear that he will let slip to Billie anything they tell him that they are not telling her. And it is painfully obvious that Billie cannot be trusted; she basically spends her time, when she is not defending SA, accusing LE of being liars.