2011.05.11 Kc sick removed from court

[strawberry]

If anyone is experiencing any sort of sympathy over Casey's behavior today and complaining that her hands were numb, all you need to think about is those hands pulling off pieces of duct tape and putting them over that precious little baby's face.

I have zero sympathy or compassion for her whatsoever. She's a cold-blooded baby killer, the absolute lowest of low.



~jmo~

I think that's why her hands bother her. Because she knows she used them to do the worst deed imaginable. I think Caylee is reminding her, just like she showed herself by the lights going out the first day.

 

[ZsaZsa]

My opinion- more attention-seeking behavior from the tot mom :twocents:

She has been doing that the entire time this Jury selection has been on. Where is the ICA that was giggling, flipping the bird, chatting, during all those hearings? Oh, yes, she is in front of a bigger audience now, so suddenly she is very "anxious" playing with her hair and compulsively messing with stuff on the desk. It is a game, she is trying to convey some Psych disorder.

 

[Teresa]

I'm not sure if Casey planned the issue today or not but as a parent my children, when small, were apt to have a "sickness/hurt" or such when in trouble. Most likely in a sense they did, they were caught in whatever they had done and shouldn't have. Tummyaches, headaches, hurt spots and such "popped" up. I can see Casey having a moment like this, she's caught and knows it.

Teresa

 

[Lexington]

KC seems to have difficulties when she has to face the prospective jurors and listen to her indictment being read. When I see her with her head hung low, eyes downcast, with the tissue to her face, it screams out to me that she is guilty and ashamed. Her attorneys need to address this if they wish to have any chance of a positive outcome. I think the business with her hands is all psychological. It makes me think that she strangled Caylee.

 

[ZsaZsa]

You know how you've seen plenty of mentally disturbed people and their behaviors? Too bad Casey doesn't see herself as we do. The flirty batting of eyelashes, with head tilted down, the incessant piddling with her collars, buttons, hair, eyes, eyelashes (and always looking at it as if she might have an eye boogie or something).

There are med. terminology words for these, but I just cannot think of them right now. Any shrink would pick up on it right away. She does not have a confident, mature demeanor. She acts more like she is trying to look demure and sexy at the same time. I can't put a word on it, but it is annoying.

Has no one put her into psychiatric evaluation yet? (Serious eval.?)

Also, there must be SOME piece of clothing that would not focus and showcase her bosom. There's a right way to put yourself out there, and she is missing it completely. The hair is scraggly and seems to be a prop for her (for something else to do with her hands).

I thought her lawyers would have tutored her on these things way long ago.

I also think that actually seeing and hearing the jurors is doing something to her. The ones who sound like great choices, she knows she is not going to fool them. She is so used to fooling her mom, dad, friends, etc., and now she has to deal with reality. Time for some medical/mental antics, such as paralyzed hands, who knows what comes next.

She's realizing that it's all coming down: the witnesses, she will be seeing them face to face. The reality. People are beyond the point of giving her any benefit of a doubt now. She's sitting out there at the desk and there's not much of anyone else to focus on, which normally Casey would love, but now she is going into panic mode, I think. I think she won't be able to deal with it and would love to be in a psychiatric hospital as an "escape".

MOO

They would LIKE you to think she has a mental disorder. We will see lots more of this behavior. Hopefully they will make her watch the court on remote video, like they did to John Mitchell at his trial (Elizabeth Smart) when he got disruptive

 

[LambChop]

Not sure this was already mentioned but I think KC's hand problem comes from her squeezing her hands so tightly and at one point while the judge was reading it looked as if the fingers on her one hand were bluish color cutting off the circulation.

Anyone remember JA's description of how Caylee may have died and AL holding onto KC's arm. KC had become so angry AL had to hold onto her. I think KC is controlling her anger the best she can and the end result is a major stress on her body. jmo

 

[faefrost]

KC was just removed from Court (albeit walking) and they are waiting on her. She was helped from the courtroom and it was something with her hands.

That problem with the hands or "can't feel your hands" is a clear symptom of hyperventilating. They don't always look like they are gasping for air or wheezing. They just breath much faster than normal. In most cases it comes from extreme stress. When it reaches a certain point their hands will go numb and start to sort of involuntarily contract or clench. Once you know what it looks like it is easy to spot from across a room. The typical remedy is a paper bag.

Gee I wonder what could be stressing KC? :gavel:

 

[whatsupwiththat]

I just cant feel sorry for her, not after everything we know about what happened to Caylee

 

[Oakley]

Casey appeared to be having a panic attack, similar to what she was said to have experienced when she first heard the news of the remains being found. I don't believe she is faking. Snipped from the article link:

Symptoms of a panic attack, which often last about 10 minutes, include:

Difficulty breathing.
Pounding heart or chest pain.
Intense feeling of terror.
Sensation of choking or smothering.
Dizziness or feeling faint.
Trembling or shaking.
Sweating
Nausea or stomachache.
Tingling or numbness in the fingers and toes.
Chills or hot flashes.
A fear that you are losing control or are about to die.

http://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/guide/mental-health-panic-disorder

Yes, Casey is an attention monger but anxiety attacks are very real and involuntary.

 

[crucibelle]

I have to disagree that ICA is feeling anxiety. IMO, she is a psychopath, and one of the hallmarks of a psychopath is low anxiety level. I think what she is feeling is pure unadulterated anger. As always, JMO.

 

[uklaw]

Which is exactly why she is flipping out now.Every time she actually hears the indictment read she gets upset because she is being forced to face the facts. She can't make up a different scenario in her head while she is actually sitting there listening.As soon they move on to the potential jurors she recovers .She can put what happened out of head again.
She is starting to see she may not win and is getting scared. JMO

Thanks for explaining that.

So you think whilst she is sitting there she wants to come up with a way out of this situation (and may be contemplating a plea?) but after the reading is over she is happy to forget it all because she no longer has to face the facts?

 

[redcar1]

Last night - they had a 'body language specialist' on and she stated that the reason she 'fiddles' with the kleenexes as coasters and moves the bottle/cups on the table is because it is her way of controlling the items in front of her. This episode today, (although I didn't see it) sounds just like another way for HER to 'control' something, namely the court room! I certainly hope HHJP puts a nix on any more of her control moves! Early this morning, it was sooooo apparent she was distraught that JB wasn't pauying ANY attentin to her - so just like my 5 year old, to her 'bad' attention is just as good as 'good' attention! And let's face it - ICA has been doing that with her parents all of her life!

IMO, something happened between ICA and JB. Whether he finally got sick of her or maybe he has realized she's going down and he doesn't want to go along with her...
the tnsion at the defense table was very apparent - I'm wondering if something big may be in the works as the beginning looms near????

We could only hope for a 'guilt' plea deal, for beautiful Caylee's sake!
JMO

 

[OneLostGrl]

Her hands hurt so everyone thinks it's an anxiety attack?

She was doing the same clenching an unclenching of her hands when they removed her cuffs in the new jail intake video.

 

[katydid23]

I'm not sure if Casey planned the issue today or not but as a parent my children, when small, were apt to have a "sickness/hurt" or such when in trouble. Most likely in a sense they did, they were caught in whatever they had done and shouldn't have. Tummyaches, headaches, hurt spots and such "popped" up. I can see Casey having a moment like this, she's caught and knows it.

Teresa

Oh yes, my son used to get 'headaches' when his report card arrived. LOL

I do think Casey regresses when she gets emotional. Remember when Amy said that Casey turned into a 12 yr old child when Cindy tracked her down at Tony's that night? And we just heard Baez call her a 2 yr old.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I have to disagree that ICA is feeling anxiety. IMO, she is a psychopath, and one of the hallmarks of a psychopath is low anxiety level. I think what she is feeling is pure unadulterated anger. As always, JMO.

Yes, very angry but she can't show that, she has to suppress it, so it's far more acceptable to come up with this panicky, mentally fragile girl who is now overwhelmed with the injustice of this whole thing.

 

[oh_gal]

Her hands hurt so everyone thinks it's an anxiety attack?

She was doing the same clenching an unclenching of her hands when they removed her cuffs in the new jail intake video.

Strangely reminiscent of Lady MacBeth...."Out, dirty stain! Out!" (when she was constantly "washing" her hands -- without benefit of water!)

 

[oh_gal]

Her constant "fingering" of her bangs is enough to drive me insane, much less her!

 

[ZsaZsa]

Her hands hurt so everyone thinks it's an anxiety attack?

She was doing the same clenching an unclenching of her hands when they removed her cuffs in the new jail intake video.

If you look at her hands as she walked out they are in spasm. It is tetany, spasms caused by hyperventilation.
Lots of psychological problems manifest themselves in physical symptoms.
She was feeling anxious, and started hyperventilating. She was taken out,
I think she was seen by a Nurse and probably given a paper bag to breathe in, and came back in after ten minutes or so. It's very common.
She does it to herself.....

 

[faefrost]

I have to disagree that ICA is feeling anxiety. IMO, she is a psychopath, and one of the hallmarks of a psychopath is low anxiety level. I think what she is feeling is pure unadulterated anger. As always, JMO.

She is not actually a psychopath. What she is is more of a sociopath. She can feel emotion, just only as it relates to her. She is a complete narcissist focused entirely on self. She is panicking because she is in trouble and people will be doing and saying mean stuff to her. She is panicking because she herself is going to be held accountable for her crimes. This is not the same as remorse and only lightly touches on guilt in the sense of "OMG how am I going to get out of this". She would not panic or stress because Caylee was gone or missing or dead. She will panic based on how that might effect her. The critical operative element in any of her stress or emotional responses is "I, me, my, myself, KC" nothing else.

The sociopath will care about other people to the extent of how and only how it relates to themselves. They are entirely self fixated. The Psychopath doesn't really distinguish any difference between people and things. It's a subtle but critical difference.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Casey appeared to be having a panic attack, similar to what she was said to have experienced when she first heard the news of the remains being found. I don't believe she is faking. Snipped from the article link:

Symptoms of a panic attack, which often last about 10 minutes, include:

Difficulty breathing.
Pounding heart or chest pain.
Intense feeling of terror.
Sensation of choking or smothering.
Dizziness or feeling faint.
Trembling or shaking.
Sweating
Nausea or stomachache.
Tingling or numbness in the fingers and toes.
Chills or hot flashes.
A fear that you are losing control or are about to die.

http://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/guide/mental-health-panic-disorder

Yes, Casey is an attention monger but anxiety attacks are very real and involuntary.

The only thing I saw was her fiddling with her hands.. did I miss something?