2011.05.26 SIDEBAR THREAD Trial Day Three (Evening Edition)

[Shadow5618]

One of the videos on the jury's list should have been "The Bad Seed". The judge would have disallowed it, of course, but it sure does explain some of ICA's behavior.

 

[JSR]

Before this trial began, HHJP watrned JB about trial by ambush. Doesn't this sexual abuse and drowning claim fall exactly under trial by ambush.

No, it's not. The defense is only required to hand over evidence (or discovery) of what they might use during trial. This includes witnesses as well. The Defense as well as the State is not required to provide the other side with HOW they intend to use the evidence in the trial (as in their theory).

So the State got wind of what they believed to be their theory via the two additional witnesses the DT tried to introduce in regards to the GUILT phase. Adding those two witnesses allowed the State to request a deposition. We later learned that both witnesses were withdrawn from the defense list. One during the MIDDLE of the states deposition of them, and then the other shortly thereafter.

The only reason the DT wanted to get them in as witnesses is that it allows them to sell ICA's story of abuse and testimony without actually getting her on the stand so she doesn't have to be cross examined. Which is not allowed.

We also learned from the Anthonys atty that the State called the Anthonys and provided them with the testimony and gave them a heads up to just what their daughter intended to do to her family.

 

[Aedrys]

I seriously wonder if the defense tonight is going OH CARP we blamed the WRONG family member for this? LOL

 

[Eileen730]

I cant wait to hear lee Anthony's version!

 

[krisskross]

Technically it wasn't testimony. The DT was trying to "Profer" his depositions and qualify him to testify using heresay of what Casey told him. It failed because she never accused GA of sexually abusing her to Tony.

"It failed because she never accused GA of sexually abusing her to Tony."

Epic failure. :great: What else does Baez have in his arsenal to convince the jury that ICA was the victim of years of sexual and emotional abuse?
Looks like it all hinges on ICA. And if her lips are moving........... :liar: :liar:

 

[Quiche]

It's pretty clear why the DT didn't want George and Cindy in the courtroom... dang.

 

[lib's mom]

My sister may or may not be an abuse survivor (you'll see why I say may or may not in a second) and she lies about EVERYTHING....big things, little things, totally insignificant things and the big stuff. She embellishes, she twists, she adds, she omits. Every sentence out of her mouth has a lie in it some way. Including things that don't matter - like she ran to the store for milk and bumped in to someone she hasn't seen in a long time and it took an extra 10 mins...she'd have to tell you there was a car accident on the way home instead of just saying she ran in to someone from back in the day. My whole life she has accused my brother of raping her. And I have no way of knowing if it is true. He knows some of her allegations and still sits in the same room as her....and at the same time, she still sits in the same room as him. I'll never know the truth. I just have to live MY truth with the two of them.

anyway - she lies just like Casey.

Families are all kinds of fun, aren't they?! My mother once painted a wooden plaque and wrote the words "Families are Forever" on it. She was so proud and hung it above our front door. I told her I found that threatening, not comforting. Fortunately, she had a great sense of humor (and a crazy family) and we always laughed about that.

 

[Mosby]

Yikes..before I sign out..just wish to say..KC has something very evil inside of her..and does not give a care about anyone but herself..She has seen a parade of her past friends up on that stand having to recall things they should never had to have been forced to do..KC has watched her father being humiliated and harrassed by JB infront of the world, She has encouraged JB to throw out nasty claims against her own blood,..I am going to go have a stiff drink now to calm down..and pray for the people KC has inured so deeply..and Pray for Caylee to remain at peace...Sorry folks...Today was so sad for me to watch this :-(((
Goodnight folks

BBM
Which only makes it so much easier to believe that she committed 1st degree murder of her own child, IMO.

 

[tehcloser]

Didn't she tell Jessie about the "alleged" abuse?

 

[missm]

Whoaaa! The inmate is p*ssed! The entire little plan with Tony's testimony fell to pieces there- what on earth did she bark out at Baez when she passed by, leaving through the door back to her cozy little inmate's quarters?

Must have been a doozy by the look on her face!

Bwahhhhh!

 

[westsidefox64]

I hope they delay CAs testimony till tuesday when Ill be back from camping!!!

 

[technicalconfusion]

I remember my mother coming after me with a frying pan....and connecting. If that happened in 2011, she would be in prison right now.....amazing how times change

I got the heel of shoes, cooking spoons that had been just used for stirring, dad came after me with a 2 by 4 once....

eta I remember both of my parents whaling on my nekkid butt a couple of times too - at the same time!

 

[Ssejors]

Speaking of Susan Smith and the similarities in the case (and defense), I WISH the prosecution would ask TL about the conversation where he instructed ICA that if he had kids, he wanted boys and did not want girl children.
THAT needs to be heard by the jury.

I dont think its really relevant.

I think that it didnt matter who she was with at the time and what they wanted. I dont think ICA wanted caylee. I dont think this was a matter of TL not wanting kids.. or girl kids. If he HAD wanted kids.. i think it would have still happened cause this was a matter of rage and revenge to get back at CA for not letting ICA have the life she wanted. for "making" ICA have caylee in the first place.. for not letting ICA be the mother.. its not about TL. he was an after thought and a cute bed mate....

 

[Intermezzo]

I remember my mother coming after me with a frying pan....and connecting. If that happened in 2011, she would be in prison right now.....amazing how times change

My family would throw house sandals, sometimes wooden spoons..the Italian mom's had good aim...but the sandal always fell short...and my cousins would laugh all the way down the stairs and out the door...ending with "I love you Mama!! and you missed"

 

[Anais]

That story about finding a drowned Caylee and yelling at ICA was absolutely RIDICULOUS..IMO

yes ita! I think they may well have truly lost this jury with that alone. They must think this jury pool are idiots with out any common sense at all!

 

[wandering]

Good grief what planet are JEAN C. and Vinnie P. on? They think the DT had a good day re: ICA was a good and loving mother. HELLO: Andrea Yates, Susan Smith, Darlie Routier were all good and loving mothers by all accounts.

I think the most damaging came today from the one who said ICA exlcaimed "OMG I am such a good LIAR!"

Yes, and they totally missed the huge implication in Stutz's answer elicited by JB, when he said Casey didn't want to go out and drink because she didn't want to leave Cayley with Cindy and George. That opened a huge keg of motive, since Casey partied after Cayley was gone. That jumped right into my mind, I hope the jurors' minds caught it.

 

[JSR]

Didn't she tell Jessie about the "alleged" abuse?

Yes, but IIRC it again was Lee and not George that she "alleges" abused her.

 

[Adrienne37]

My daughter often threatened to call the Kid's Help Line because I was "mean" to her- roughly translated it means I used the word no and often.

So one day I said - good idea - go ahead. As long as you know they will take you away from me and put you in a foster home. No calls, LOL - she was shocked - she thought someone would just come over and boss me around. :innocent:

Your story reminds me of one that my brother told me when his daughter was about 5 or 6 years old. He was punishing her so she decided she was going to call HRS on him. He said "well go ahead, but you don't even know the phone number" and she says back to him "yes I do, it's 1-800-beat-my-a$$." LOL!!

 

[Suthrnqt]

I have a question for all the legal eagles out there. Is it normal to keep calling GA back to the stand?? I don't have much court experience, all I know is from movies & TV and of course, WS. It just seems odd to me. TIA.

 

[LancelotLink]

Families are all kinds of fun, aren't they?! My mother once painted a wooden plaque and wrote the words "Families are Forever" on it. She was so proud and hung it above our front door. I told her I found that threatening, not comforting. Fortunately, she had a great sense of humor (and a crazy family) and we always laughed about that.

:floorlaugh: