2011.06.11 Sidebar (Trial Day Sixteen)

[LyndyLoo]

They took the dogs to the location where Caylee was found?

But unfortunately it wasnt until they located the remains ( in December 2008)..they were looking for the bones they couldnt locate..tho I think it was Bones..kept wanting to go to the actual primary point and had to be redirected in order find bones that had been possibly carried further by critters..

I was wishing had they walked that portion where the opening was..they may have been able to find her back in early later July or early August..Before the storms...

 

[ZsaZsa]

Bill Sheaffer and Kathi Belich summarise today's events:-
http://www.wftv.com/video/28206856/index.html

 

[concentric]

That car was sealed from the decomp. fumes escaping. The lot guy said that when he leaned on the glass, the fumes escaped.

That is why no vultures on the car, IMO.

 

[Leila]

Worked for her too, for longer than it could have had it not been for Tropical Storm Fay.
She got lucky on that one.

She wasn't about to go to far into those woods, with the animals and reptiles that are in there; and she knew it too.
And, if it went down like I and others think, with George on her arse, then she didn't have much time to make the toss and get out of Dodge before George figured it out that she had turned in the other direction.

Reading your post, something just popped in my mind. Does anyone else remember that when Casey was out on bond, JB requested that Casey be allowed to search for Caylee without being followed by LE or media? I don't recall exactly what was said, but I think he said he would accompany Casey on the searches.

I've always wondered what the defense was up to with that request. Did Casey want to return to the scene of the crime to make sure nothing was visible from the road?

 

[Sleuth5]

Dumping a child's body is of course always despicable but dumping it close to the road near a school is IMO even more despicable than the standard run-of-the-mill child's body dumping because it increases the risk that a minor finds the body and gets scarred for life for the memory.

True, but I think Smart Blonde's theory of a panic drop ([ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6660658#post6660658"]2011.06.11 Sidebar (Trial Day Sixteen) - Page 19 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]) by ICA following the near miss with the gas cans explains a lot... and I doubt that in this one instance ICA gave any more thought to this than anything else in this thoroughly unprepared series of events. I guess I can't ascribe evil intent to her in this instance -- no rhyme or reason to her decision making at least in this instance.

:cow:

 

[Purple Iris]

Purple,
I hope you don't think I'm being snarky. I didn't mean my post to be taken that way at all. Actually I was replying to Grandma. :seeya:

Nope - not at all !!!

Carry on !!!!!!

 

[ZsaZsa]

GA, imo, was only mimicking what ICA had told him. If you recall, their statements were identical. At that time, the Anthonys, GA & CA, had gone into "protective mode" regarding ICA ........ consequently, as others have stated, they have now 'painted themselves into a corner,' with no way out, but to continue w/ the 'mistruths' they originally adopted, prior to six weeks ago. Furthermore, I am still not convinced that they have no problem with this (lying), as they DO want to save their daughter. It's just "THE DANCE" they've ALWAYS done .......... family dynamics, which have been in place for years, do NOT change, they are ingrained! They continue to 'dance' to ICA's 'music,' while attempting to save themselves. It's quite the conundrum. JMO

Just as an addendum ......... ALL of you guys are just GREAT!

Exactly, it's not like they just thought this thing through and decided to speak the truth. They only told part of the truth when they were FORCED to, and then only because (a) ICA accused GA of such foul abuse and (b) they could sense that the SA was going to come after them once this case was done.
They did not have an epiphany- they are in self protective mode now...
they will be on the talk show circuit once this wraps up, for $$$

 

[21merc7]

Okay, I just discovered something and I have to share. It is ridiculous.

JB's opening statement is all from the psychic stuff he was mad about getting in the first round of discovery!

I have been searching youtube for the neighbor talking about the water and how high it was to no avail. I clicked a "psychic talking about Caylee" video just for the heck of it. So many of them come up. I watched 2 of these videos with 2 different sets of people talking. Combined you have the Opening Statement. :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: I can't stop laughing.

I think that is the only Discovery JB read, he left the real stuff to everyone else.

 

[msinformed]

Week 3:

6/6, Monday, Day Eleven: 10 (this was Dr. Vass testimony)
- Total Objections: 59 (Defense: 29 with 2 sustained; State: 30 with 1 overruled)

6/7, Tuesday, Day Twelve: 6 (Testimony of FBI Chemist, Dr. Vass & Dog Handler)
- Total Objections: 59

6/8, Wednesday, Day Thirteen: 3 (computer forensic people)
- Total Objections: 16

6/9, Thursday, Day Fourteen: 5 (Testimony from: Computer guy: Bradley/LeeA/911tape/crime scene pix/Investigation to ME/Dep Chief ME)
- Total Objections: 14

6/10, Friday, Day Fifteen: 7 (Testimony from: Dr Utz/Dr Schultz/Dr. G/Dr. Warren)
- Total Objections: 29

6/11, Saturday, Day Sixteen: 1 (Testimony from: Dr. Haskell/J. Welch/ Murdock/Johnston
- Total Objections: 16


Total week 3: 32

Grand Total: 99 sidebars!

I've also posted this in the "Trial Trivia" section here at WS!

Awesome, Niner! Thank You, so much!!

 

[ZsaZsa]

Reading your post, something just popped in my mind. Does anyone else remember that when Casey was out on bond, JB requested that Casey be allowed to search for Caylee without being followed by LE or media? I don't recall exactly what was said, but I think he said he would accompany Casey on the searches.

I've always wondered what the defense was up to with that request. Did Casey want to return to the scene of the crime to make sure nothing was visible from the road?

They would have been over on Suburban drive Pronto!

 

[technicalconfusion]

Would vultures go to a heavily populated area, like in store parking lots? Not arguing your post. I live somewhere heavily populated where a vulture sighting would be few and far between. I don't think I have ever seen one locally that wasn't at the zoo, so I don't know what their behavior would be and I am curious.

That said/asked: Can you imagine?!?!?!?!?! Going out to your car from the store to find vultures on your trunk! Were there scratches on the trunk lid?

I live in South Florida, heavy population, and have seen them in parking lots munching on carrion. See them circling in the air all the time.

 

[Ssejors]

OMG! I am so overwhelmed right now. There is a new station that has posted a picture of the hair mat on their face book page and I wasnt epecting to see it and so far it has been the most overwhelming thing i have seen. I am just dumbfounded. I dont even know what to say

:'(

 

[LyndyLoo]

While I can believe that Kronk's find was purely happenstance, I can also completely believe that he knew through media reports that Caylee was missing, and this within his route zone. I'm sure that Mr. Kronk is a very perceptive person having more knowledge of that area than most, and would likely have it in the back of his mind that any suspicious looking bags should be investigated.

The defense is making it look like a huge conspiracy theory.

Thank God Caylee's body was finally found.

I do believe back in early August there were plenty of messageboards, and sites talking about this case..and yes there is actually a video of a group of psychics ( Gale St. John) which I cant link here ( unaccepted site for W/S) anyway, this video was blogged all over the place..and maybe Kronk saw it and recognized that spot and chose to scope it out more thoroughly. and felt compelled to debunk it or find Caylee??..Who knows, I think he gave up after the flooding, and claims of sightings etc..but once again went back to check it out again...All I can say TY Roy Kronk!! You are yet another Caylee Angel to be thanked not rediculed!!

 

[Tuffy]

I saw a horse that had to be euthanized & covered with a tarp & the vultures were flying above him within 6 hours after he died. I wonder if vultures smell their prey... if so, what kept them from circling the car while her body was in the trunk?

I guess we don't really know that they weren't. I see vultures pretty regularly around here where I live. I'm pretty fascinated by them, but I really don't think much about them, or that they may be circling because something might be dead below them.

Sometimes there is, and sometimes they're just circling.

 

[MsFacetious]

She is also wearing those same plaid shorts with a pink shirt instead of purple, in the picture of her vacuuming. (I don't have time to post it.)

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/...y case/l_ace46060efb80d7269b99b646ac9b9d7.jpg

http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2009-04/46017724.jpg

 

[HRCODEPINK]

They would have been over on Suburban drive Pronto!

If JB would have gone with her to Suburban Dr, he is dumber than even I believe he is. To help her do anything with that body would have put him in a cell at the jail next to her.

 

[Purple Iris]

True, but I think Smart Blonde's theory of a panic drop (2011.06.11 Sidebar (Trial Day Sixteen) - Page 19 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community) by ICA following the near miss with the gas cans explains a lot... and I doubt that in this one instance ICA gave any more thought to this than anything else in this thoroughly unprepared series of events. I guess I can't ascribe evil intent to her in this instance -- no rhyme or reason to her decision making at least in this instance.

:cow:

That's what I tried to explain also when I posted, that Smart Blond responded to.

Though, I will take it one step further and say, that IMO, I have always thought that George went out to the driveway and the car while Casey was still in the house to check out her car for the gas cans.

Knowing how she lies, and how they apparently would fight, why even confront her unless you have the evidence in "hand", so to speak.

He had keys to her car, he could have simply gone out and checked for himself without even bringing it up that he wanted "the tire blocks" or whatever they were.

He could have gotton them, seen for himself that the gas cans weren't there, and there would have been no fight, again.
No harm, no foul.

I've always thought that George saw something, or smelled something that day that made Casey get out of there like a bat out of hell on Halloween. And, you know if George saw something, or smelled something that just wasn't "right", he would have hauled azz after her.
In fact, he tells of doing just that at some other point of time.

 

[Tuffy]

I live in South Florida, heavy population, and have seen them in parking lots munching on carrion. See them circling in the air all the time.

I live in the city, and I see both deer, and vultures daily. We have black vultures here that will eat carrion, as well as kill live food.

 

[technicalconfusion]

Okay, I just discovered something and I have to share. It is ridiculous.

JB's opening statement is all from the psychic stuff he was mad about getting in the first round of discovery!

I have been searching youtube for the neighbor talking about the water and how high it was to no avail. I clicked a "psychic talking about Caylee" video just for the heck of it. So many of them come up. I watched 2 of these videos with 2 different sets of people talking. Combined you have the Opening Statement. :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: I can't stop laughing.

I think that is the only Discovery JB read, he left the real stuff to everyone else.

Yea, but he forgot the "where the german shepards pee" so he didn't read the tips that well....

 

[msinformed]

So what about the twin canvas laundry bag being in a black plastic garbage bag? Something ICA intended to dispose of, but forgot to?

Naaaw ............ she didn't give a flyin' flip about any possible 'evidence,' she was totally focused on partay-ing and 'living the good life.' She, in her own mind, was/is invincible. IMO