2011.06.11 Sidebar (Trial Day Sixteen)

[Soulmagent]

That was my thinking as well.

However, I have listened to every bit of the testimony in this trial. I recall quite well the anthropologist who collected the bones stating that the vertebra was found some distance from the skull (probably due to animals having dragged the spine there while it was still connected to soft tissue), and that all those little bones were found in the same place. Some distance from the skull and the bags the body had been stored in.

I hope JB plans to prove to me that Roy Kronk is a whiz when it comes to human anatomy, because he would have to be to know how to place all the right bones, all in the same place.

I think they plan to have him answer the did he pick the bag up. And move it and did he kick the skull thereby shifting the duck tape that was attached to the bag to keep it closed and making it get caught in Caylee's hair.

I do think he moved the bag and that he might have covered the body slightly but he didnt take the body anywhere ,just that everytime he called he had changed the scene slightly. Not the body but other things.IMO

 

[21merc7]

I found wesh news, but can't find the video. :waitasec:

***WARNING GRAPHIC VIDEO***

http://www.wesh.com/news/28208177/detail.html

 

[ZsaZsa]

Does it really matter whether the Anthonys do or don't support ICA? If CA ran across the court room and wrapped ICA in her arms, what difference would that make with respect to the evidence this jury is now hearing?

I guess my point is, it's a done deal. She's going to be found guilty or innocent by this jury, based soley on the evidence, and nothing the Anthonys can do can change that fact.

Good point.
What irritates is that for those of us who have watched them for the last three years, lying,obstructing LE, deliberately trying to implicate innocent people, demanding and receiving special treatment, then see them in court this week apparently still trying to outsmart the system with their text messaging... aaaargh!
If they ran across the courtroom and embraced my first thought would be- WTH are they trying to do now?:banghead:

 

[Quiche]

Well-from the looks of the video, CA signaling ICA-I say she welcome her back
with open arms...

By this point, nothing would surprise me... but :thud:

 

[concentric]

It does not matter, and that is why the Judge just watches. At least they love their daughter. A lot of murder defendant's parents love their children, there is nothing wrong with it, it does not change the trial.

KC is not speaking and being told what to say, therefore, script of GA made me do it, CA made me do it, is out of the design. (For three years, thank you JB for letting KC insist on not seeing her parents.)

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Just saw a program last night about Amber Dubois' mom and John Gardner, the rapist/murderer. Gardner's mother, a registered nurse, seems to still love him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/11/48hours/main20070544.shtml

 

[Boots-OK]

That's a tough question. I wish I knew.

I have a weird feeling that Casey drowned her in the bathtub in a fit of rage. For all I know, she could have put the duct tape on afterward to ensure she wasn't going to "come to" while she figured out what to do next.

Or, of course she did it deliberately and violently to smother her and quiet her forever.

I don't think she placed the tape to "make it look like a kidnapping". I don't think the tape was a staging....I think it was there as the weapon itself, or placed there to make sure she was good and dead.

BBM -

In one of Cindy's interviews/depos - she stated that one way they got Caylee to calm down was to put her in the bathtub.....and, that always bothered me. moo

 

[Mountain_Kat]

She is also going to be found guilty on the testimony of her father. He is the last person to see an alive Caylee with Casey.

It is very important he tells the truth in all his testimony and does not try to fudge it when he testifies again.

George and Cindy have both lied in this investigation. From their interviews on TV to their depositions and Cindy in her testimony so far. I am not sure if George has lied or he just decided to remember that Caylee said she was going to Zanny's. I could have swore he testified he had never heard the name Zanny before all this happened. All he had heard was nanny.

I don't know that I would agree with that statement.

But anyway, all I know is what I've seen of CA and GA's testimony in court. I sure didn't hear GA say, "Yes, I did molest my daughter." or "I can't really say when the last time I saw my grand daughter was."

I believe they are probably reluctant to utter any words that they know night put their daughter to death...who wouldn't be? But I also believe they have been truthful in their testimony, and that's really all I care about.

JMO

P.S. LA is annoying.

 

[21merc7]

P.S. LA is annoying.

Respectfully snipped

He is too paranoid and will not just spit it out!!! :maddening:

 

[Chilly Willy]

BBM -

In one of Cindy's interviews/depos - she stated that one way they got Caylee to calm down was to put her in the bathtub.....and, that always bothered me. moo

I don't understand why that bothers you. We do the same thing with my granddaughter, bath time before bed. The bath helps her make the transition from being an energizer bunny to sleepy time girl.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I don't know that I would agree with that statement.

But anyway, all I know is what I've seen of CA and GA's testimony in court. I sure didn't hear GA say, "Yes, I did molest my daughter." or "I can't really say when the last time I saw my grand daughter was."

I believe they are probably reluctant to utter any words that they know night put their daughter to death...who wouldn't be? But I also believe they have been truthful in their testimony, and that's really all I care about.

JMO

P.S. LA is annoying.

I agree with you on all counts, including the PS.

 

[Serjen]

Originally Posted by Trident
Yes, they had a boat Scott bought without telling anyone stored away until he needed it. Unfortunately, Scott went fishing, and was SEEN, fishing in the area were the bodies eventually washed up on shore. I believe there was also a hair caught on something in the boat, Scott had a girl friend, changed his appearance, and was headed toward Mexico with about $10,000 cash, plus camping equipment.

When someone testifies they saw ICA parked alongside the road where Caylee's body was found, in the right time frame, it would lend more weight. If Casey headed out of town, that would also lend more weight. From what I've seen so far, anyone could have killed Caylee and dumped her body like a piece of trash. I see no proof ICA did it, beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact, the longer this case goes on, the more I see how flimsy the evidence really is insofar as PROVING Casey was the one who killed her daughter.

Yeah, let me say it again, I think she did, but before I could convict her, I would need more evidence, circumstancial or otherwise, than what the prosecution has produced so far. They NEED to tie ICA more closely into this, make sure she is the only one who could have killed the baby. They haven't done it so far. You only need one juror like me to get her off and I do think she's guilty.

From what I got after seeing Jurors comments after Scott Peterson trial is that his behavior after his wife died was a big factor in how they came to a guilty conclusion. One juror said "Does this guy ever stop lying?"
Yah, he had the boat, but it wasn't proven that Laci never saw it because there was an officer who ended up testifying that Laci was with Scott at the warehouse the day before she disappeared, so she must have known about the boat. There was also just that one hair, just like in Caylee's case. Actually from a lot of accounts that I've read, the prosecution against Scott seemed to be doing a pretty bad job at first, and Geragos was lively and more convincing in his cross. It wasn't until the turning point with Amber Frye and the taped phone conversations that Prosecution gained momentum. Even then, he never confessed to anything with Amber, he actually said in one phone call that he couldn't believe she thought he had anything to do with Laci's disappearance...and then the defense lost it on their turn with the witnesses and only presented 6 days of witnesses (compared to Prosecutions 19 weeks!)
However, I believe Scott's jury wasn't sequestered...right? That may also have a huge role in it all because one juror said people would come up to him and say "GUILTY" or "FRY HIM" when they would recognize him as a juror.

 

[stilettos]

How are the jurors to allow her to go home if home is so bad? :twocents:

She is ot going home either way...there is the little matter of her other myriad charges.

 

[ZsaZsa]

***WARNING GRAPHIC VIDEO***

http://www.wesh.com/news/28208177/detail.html

There is an error in this video. The commentator says, at 1:17, that "jurors were shown this picture of her skull" but they are showing the Ilia- which are part of the pelvic bone girdle. Wish they would check facts before making comments like that!

 

[stilettos]

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Just saw a program last night about Amber Dubois' mom and John Gardner, the rapist/murderer. Gardner's mother, a registered nurse, seems to still love him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/11/48hours/main20070544.shtml

I get love...love is unconditional...but if you think your child has killed your grandchild and you smell decomp in the car...you call 911 and turn them in...you do not wash out the trunk and clean things up. You can love a child and make them accountable for their actions. Sent one of mine to the pokey for grand theft at 16...they had her hooked up and as she walked out the door she said Mom...bring me some chili on visiting day. She knew that even though I was the one making her pay the price...that I would be there to love her through it,

 

[Boots-OK]

I don't understand why that bothers you. We do the same thing with my granddaughter, bath time before bed. The bath helps her make the transition from being an energizer bunny to sleepy time girl.

Hello, CW - perhaps it bothers me because the child is now dead. Not meaning to be ugly here - I know the benefits of giving a child a bath to relax them and calm them.

CA probably always sat with Caylee while she was in the tub - doubtful that KC did.

That's all I was saying.....and, it's always moo.

 

[stilettos]

Several generations here of doing that. My mother still does it, sister, brother and his family, I still do it. My daughter does, and with her two toddlers. It is just a nice cleansing of the day, calming, get ready to go to bed and read kind of thing. So relaxing, special preparation for the mind and body to calm.

Lavender in the bath helps.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I get love...love is unconditional...but if you think your child has killed your grandchild and you smell decomp in the car...you call 911 and turn them in...you do not wash out the trunk and clean things up. You can love a child and make them accountable for their actions. Sent one of mine to the pokey for grand theft at 16...they had her hooked up and as she walked out the door she said Mom...bring me some chili on visiting day. She knew that even though I was the one making her pay the price...that I would be there to love her through it,

Who washed out the trunk?

 

[Soulmagent]

Which body fluids do you think should have been in the trunk and tested for DNA? We know that she had duct tape over her nose and mouth, so no fluids would have escaped. She was wearing a pull up diaper, so no urine or feces.
There was no sign of blood in the trunk...
Re the Smell- that was transported in a piece of car trunk liner, inside a can.
When Dr Vass opened it he jumped back two steps- he has been smelling human decomposition for a couple of decades now and he knows what it is...

The smell would have been created by body fluids. The smell soaked into the carpet and the carpet placed into the can to which could be tested in the new can ,old carpet new air ,then applying the same theory ,An stinky blanket placed on the carpet on the car could transport the smell into the air and carpet. Smell is transposable.
I was pointing out the jury was most likley expecting DNA or something.

Diapers leak so do bags. I dont think it would be unreasonable to expect they find these thing in the trunk. Compared to other cases they found those things in the trunk of the cars where bodies have been.

They might have found them to but that car HAD to have been cleaned. IMO

 

[concentric]

That's a tough question. I wish I knew.

I have a weird feeling that Casey drowned her in the bathtub in a fit of rage. For all I know, she could have put the duct tape on afterward to ensure she wasn't going to "come to" while she figured out what to do next.

Or, of course she did it deliberately and violently to smother her and quiet her forever.

I don't think she placed the tape to "make it look like a kidnapping". I don't think the tape was a staging....I think it was there as the weapon itself, or placed there to make sure she was good and dead.

That is another means that I have also thought about from time to time. That video taken in the bathroom with Caylee looking perplexed and upset has always bothered me. Did KC do a test-run on drowning Caylee in the tub? Is that why Caylee looks that way as she is being videoed?

 

[katydid23]

I believe a body was in there, probably Caylee, but I see no proof Casey put it there. Proof being the operative word. Casey was not the only person who had access to that car trunk. Is it possible GA, LA, the guy next door put it there? I really don't know who put it there, or when, except for the 2.6 day thingee which I can't find right now.

I agree with that. It is true there is no proof that she was the one who put it there. But then the next question becomes, WHERE DID SHE THINK CAYLEE WAS?

She is the mother of a toddler--a toddler who was in her care. Where did she think she was all of this time? And why did she make up this nanny story?


That is what makes me believe she is guilty. There was a dead body in the trunk, ands although there is no proof she put it there, we do have proof that she tried to pretend her child was fine and with a person that did not exist.

So the burden falls upon her to tell us WHY she lied and told everyone that story. The only 2 explanations that make sense are 1, she was covering up her deeds, or 2, she was covering for someone else.

Sorry, but if she is going to keep covering for someone else then she is toast. And It comes down to us believing either George or Casey. And I believe George over casey.

Casey was far too happy and carefree for me to believe it was just a tragic accident.

ETA: If we are supposed to believe the DT version, then George was supposed to be taking care of everything. Why then would he put the decomposing body in Casey's trunk and leave it there for 3 to 5 days?