2011.06.13 Sidebar (Trial Day Seventeen)

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  • #701
Perhaps this is wishful thinking because I can't bear to think of Caylee suffering, but I believe ICA did knock the baby out with chloroform with the sole intention of killing her and that it was premeditated.

I believe this for a few reasons. One, ICA didn't want a struggle or any noise/screaming that would draw attention with the neighbors. Two, in her own twisted way she wouldn't want Caylee to be aware of what she was doing to her because ICA cares too much about how she is perceived. I don't think she wanted the child to understand that Mommy was about to killer her.

So, IMO, the chloroform was used for purely selfish and convenient reasons. The duct tape was to make sure she didn't come out of it and it was put on with such force out of fear at what she was doing (killing her child) and of course anger.

I do believe it was premeditated and she had been thinking of doing it for months. June 16th was the day. ICA had the fight with her Mom. ICA wanted to bang her boyfriend in peace and party at Fusion. ICA decided she'd had "enough."
I was a foster parent for a total of 17 years.We took medically fragile babies,for the most part.

It is disgusting what happens to children in this country EVERY SINGLE DAY.

I had a 5 week old with a broken femur.
Several shaken babies with brain damage and torn retinas,one toddler ,who called me momma upon arrival and been molested with hair styling implements.Babies who were left in bed nonstop with bottles so their heads were flat and new teeth rotted.
One who had meningitis,but was not taken to the dr until he was almost dead.Mom was high on crack.Now he is deaf,blind and completely brain damaged and tube fed.
One toddler who had been so deprived of food he would eat til he threw up.I was so ticked off at the special program he was enrolled in,they laughed at him because he was always hiding food. OMG ! He had been starved like an animal.
How many babies that were left home alone, born addicted to drugs or prenatally exposed to alcohol (the very worst,IME)? Lost count.

Yes,it's horrendous to think of Caylee suffering,but it's happening right this very minute,to another child,somewhere in our country.
 
  • #702
  • #703
They don't need to choose. One is an aid to the other being the murder weapon.


It would be like if a guy gets his wife really drunk, adding sleeping pills to her drunk... then smothers her or drowns her in the bathtub.

He got her really drunk and drugged her so she would have a harder time fighting him when he smothered or drowned her...plus it might pass as a suicide.


In this case, she chloroformed her to knock her out.

Then she put duct tape on her to stop her breathing.

Because of the chloroform she is unable to take it off (but also unaware of what is happening, in my world.)

I think how it happened is simple. The "why" do it THAT way is where it gets a little tricky.


I believe that Casey was unable or unwilling to actually "do it" herself. (Having a heart, or culpability.)
She didn't want to strangle or smother her child.
She didn't want a mess so anything bloody was out of the question.
She needed something that wouldn't show up at autopsy later.
Something that would kill her without Casey in the room, because of the not wanting to do it herself.

Putting her IN the pool... could have been seen by a neighbor.

Finding a drug that wouldn't show up at autopsy, she'd have to obtain the drug.

I think Casey found the easiest, least hands on, least traceable at autopsy... way to kill her daughter. :twocents:

One thing we can say about ICA, she researched thoroughly before she did it- 84 visits constitutes due diligence in Murder 101.
 
  • #704
Difference in that case and this one is the fact is: Stacey Barker finally admitted to killing her child. ICA has never admitted to killing Caylee and in my opinion she NEVER will!

Stacey Barker got convicted of 1st degree murder and gets sentenced this Friday, the 17th. Just thought I'd throw that in. :D
 
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  • #706
just saw on HLN, tonight at 7pm, "Prosecution Blunders"

uuummmmm, ok, LKB

:bricks:
 
  • #707
Yep, I agree....I just thought there was a newer lie I hadn't heard about. :rocker:

I've come to believe that if ICA is opening her mouth you better believe there is lie coming!

I still want to know what is on the Home Depot tape? :waitasec:

When will here about Bella Vita.....to me that tatoo is significant, who gets a "good life" tattoo when their child has recently died??? :sick:
 
  • #708
Ok - so with a little time on my hands this afternoon....ahem. I am doing some reading. If anybody wants to know about when the defense cooked up their fairytale defense....try reading this jailhouse letter from ICA to RA. I would suggest you read it before JB starts his case. Because you can bet he will be going there.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/casey-anthony-murder-trial/searchable-discovery/

Go down to the jailhouse letters and read the very first one in the list. It is a preview to JB's opening statement
 
  • #709
I think the SA is saying it was chloroform AND duct tape. They are implying that Casey knocked Caylee out with chloroform and then duct taped her causing her death.

Yes, they could toss a coin. It is academic at this point,since either one could have been the killer.
Neither have any legitimate use around a child.
 
  • #710
And IMHO...there is no way RA would be the witness the State is going to call next. IMHO I don't think they will call her at all.....the defense might, though
 
  • #711
Thank you :)

Did LA say that the Tara he was writing about was really MH's ex or did KC somehow weave that into her jail house lies to GA and Ca?

TIA

IIRC I believe it was in Lee's writings.
 
  • #712
just saw on HLN, tonight at 7pm, "Prosecution Blunders"

uuummmmm, ok, LKB

:bricks:

I am so glad that my tv was destroyed in the flooding that happened in my basement during the week of opening statements! Seriously!!!! DS is watching his movies on a little flip screen till the insurance pans out on the tv..

(((don't tell my ds, but I am not getting another one until after the trial is over LOL.. I don't want to accidently land on hln during any of that blather!)))
 
  • #713
just saw on HLN, tonight at 7pm, "Prosecution Blunders"

uuummmmm, ok, LKB

:bricks:

That is their policy... Do/say something outrageous about the SA or hint that ICA may be innocent and misunderstood, that increases ratings.
I am already sick of LKB so I won't be watching..
 
  • #714
DUCT TAPE AFTER DEATH? FLORIDA SUPREME COURT SAYS NOT REASONABLE


Thread: Implications of Huck Case Ruling RE: duct tape on nose and mouth
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Implications of Huck Case Ruling RE: duct tape on nose and mouth
I found this on another site...it is great!


Fl. appeals court shoots down most of defense arguments

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We found a case that is on point in the Florida criminal cases, that involves a ME not being able to say for certain how the victim died, and also involves duct tape.

Perry v. State, 801 So. 2d 78, 84 (Fla.
2001); State v. Law, 559 So. 2d 187, 189 (Fla. 1989). "
IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA
FIFTH DISTRICT
JULY TERM 2004
BRENT ROBERT HUCK,
Appellant,
v.
CASE NO. 5D03-1906

STATE OF FLORIDA,
Appellee.
___________________________________/
Opinion filed July 16, 2004
Appeal from the Circuit Court
for Brevard County,
David Dugan, Judge.
Gregory W. Eisenmenger and Robert R. Berry of
Eisenmenger, Berry & Peters, Melbourne, for
Appellant.
Charles J. Crist, Jr., Attorney General, Tallahassee,
and Kellie A. Nielan, Assistant Attorney General,
Daytona Beach, for Appellee.
MONACO, J.
Brent Robert Huck appeals his convictions for the kidnapping and felony murder of his
former girlfriend, Misty Morse.

www.romingerlegal.com/floridacourts
__________________

"At trial the medical examiner testified that because of the condition of the body, he was not "one hundred percent" certain of the cause of death. In his opinion, however, the victim
died "within a reasonable degree of probability" from asphyxia either by the tape on her nose and mouth or from drowning. " Interesting that they did not need to prove exactly, or be married to one particular cause of death.

. "The State is not required to rebut conclusively every possible variation of events that could be inferred from the
evidence. Rather, it is the State's obligation to introduce competent substantial evidence that is inconsistent with the defendant's theory of events". Perry v. State, 801 So. 2d 78, 84 (Fla.
2001); State v. Law, 559 So. 2d 187, 189 (Fla. 1989). "
Someone better send this to the defense.

Also, from Huck's attempt to appeal, and say the duct tape did not prove anything - the FL Supreme Court had this to say:
"More importantly, the assertion that Mr. Huck taped the victim's eyes and mouth shut after she died is not particularly reasonable. The only logical reason to tape her eyes and mouth shut would have been to prevent her from seeing, talking, screaming for help, or breathing while she was alive. There is no logical or reasonable purpose for taping a person's eyes and mouth shut after she is dead."
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"The only logical reason to tape her eyes and mouth shut would have been to prevent her from seeing, talking, screaming for help, or breathing while she was alive." FL appeals court
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Was this case law entered as evidence in this trial?
 
  • #715
I agree with you. I believe she is 100% guilty, I believe the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey premeditated the first degree murder of her own child. BUT I will not be surprised by any verdict, hung jury. I've been devestated too many times to count by "slow" jurors. No offense to jurors....just nothing they do surprises me anymore. I was certain OJ, Robert Blake, MJ and Phil Specter would be found guilty too (the first time around)

I am prepared for anything this time.....doesn't mean I'll recover quickly though.

Exactly, OJ, Robert Blake and MJ all walked. And Phil S finally got convicted second time around........
I know I won't recover quickly if she walks or if there is a hung jury.... :(
 
  • #716
I was finally able to view an observer's sketches of the skull with the tape. They confirm what experts testified to, that the tape did cover at least the mouth area.

Was the tape the cause of death? I don't know. But I do know that this child is dead, and there is no innocent reason to find duct tape over a dead child's mouth.

JMO

Some guy named 'Ken' called into one of the shows the other day and assertively stated that KC put the tape on Caylee's face to keep the bugs from going into her body.
That's thinking outside the box!
 
  • #717
And IMHO...there is no way RA would be the witness the State is going to call next. IMHO I don't think they will call her at all.....the defense might, though

She has been in Orlando for several days, she was listed as present in the jail last week. Their witness is unable change their schedule to travel today, whoever it was flies in at 11am tomorrow.
Knowing what we have seen on the SA team it will be a winner!
 
  • #718
just saw on HLN, tonight at 7pm, "Prosecution Blunders"

uuummmmm, ok, LKB

:bricks:

Hope I can control myself and not watch...................it will only leave me upset :(
 
  • #719
Some guy named 'Ken' called into one of the shows the other day and assertively stated that KC put the tape on Caylee's face to keep the bugs from going into her body.
That's thinking outside the box!

are you serious???

**belch**
 
  • #720
Hope I can control myself and not watch...................it will only leave me upset :(

(((nurse passes Bon a hammer))) :floorlaugh:
 
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