2011.06.13 Sidebar (Trial Day Seventeen)

[Dignity4Victims]

Mark N. on HLN (Vinnie N) stating that he's concerned about the state's case.

I have HLN on and didn't get that from what Mark said, at all.

 

[countzero]

We make a lot of noise about how damning the smell is. yes it is an extremely distinct smell. Once you smell it you know what it is as nothing else is quite like it. But it is still just a really really bad smell. Humans are really not wired to react to smells in all but the most general ways unless it is patterned behavior. Until something is put in context smells tend to be overlooked. We as humans will not typically use them as direct and immediate evidence to mentally recognize the story or scene that is in front of us.

This is something that experience and familiarity can get us to focus past. Parents of toddlers can almost always pick up the smell of a dirty diaper before anyone else in the room notices. A firefighter can recognize the smell of a burning house from that of a fireplace from a mile away, while a typical person would not. and someone like Dr. Vass can pick up on that decomposition smell immediately as it is part of his daily routine. Everyone else would need some sort of context for it. It is just a really bad smell until it becomes clear that someone is dead or missing. Then the mental pieces drop into place. Even for an experienced cop, it will still take some sort of context to make it all click. This is why that stench permeated a neighborhood around a serial killers house for years and the cops and the health department kept blaming it on the butcher next door. We tend to give far more weight to our eyes and ears then we do to our nose.

Your post is spot on. I have had the unfortunate experience of smelling decomposition and I agree with everyone who says it is unique. Years later, when reading about it here, my brain went right to it and I had a headache immediately.

My comment you quoted was more for the timeline. It wasn't a few hours, it was close to 7 or 8 hours after GA first smelled the Pontiac. I have never been able to reconcile why it took so dang long knowing what I personally know and what GA knew he smelled for LE to be notified. Well I do, and it infuriates me. But that is me.

 

[Kat]

:laugh: thanks for the giggle Woe.

SORRY, I've quoted the wrong post.

Hello Ms. Adams. Can you tell us a little about your background? Married to a police officer? check. graduated college? check? mother of two children? check.
In prison for up to 25 years (or whatever)? check. Police officer husband and yourself dealing drugs? check.

Now, do you consider yourself a trustworthy friend and an honest person? Tell us a little about KC's character as you observed it please. :behindbar

 

[sorrell skye]

It's simply my opinion that some jurors do NOT understand "reasonable doubt" and leave their common sense at the door of the deliberation room.

It's not beyond any and all doubt. I think some jurors can't grasp that concept. Sure monkeys could fly outta my butt....but in reality.... I can say beyond a reasonable doubt that will not happen. YKWIM?

Monkeys cannot fly, let alone fly out of your or anyone's butt.

It is an impossible assertion, and would not be considered in a court of law.

However, it is not an impossible assertion that someone who has been accustomed to getting away with lies and manipulations to believe that she could attempt to cover up an alleged accidental death of her daughter. It is also not an impossible assertion to believe that the death may have been due to lack of responsible supervision, barring irrefutable proof to the contrary.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

well, I guess I will go to the gym in the morning

((nurse looks down and wonders how much her a$$ has grown since jury selection began))

:floorlaugh:

 

[Kentjbkent]

Here is what I think happened.

SA prepared their opening statement, and had originally planned to lay out the entire scenario from start to finish.....

UNTIL they were flabbergasted with the Defense Opening Statement. I think they truly expected a more logical "story"...and after hearing Baez' opening, they adjusted their strategy to keep it simple for the jury....remember how shocked everyone was that GEORGE was the FIRST witness?? I don't think that was the original SA plan...I think it was quick thinking strategy...

I think after hearing the Defense theory, SA knew that the only hurdle they had to overcome was the "premeditated, Murder One" aspect....they knew it was a given that the jury would be convinced that Casey, and ONLY Casey was involved...

In fact, have you seen anyone comment that at THIS point, they are NOT convinced that Casey had something to do with Caylee's death?

The BIG question seems to be whether or not it was an ACCIDENT COVERUP...or MURDER...and that is what SA strategy focused on....so far...

But I don't think SA is done...I think they are now telling the Defense..."Your turn...." and then will fill in what is needed during cross of defense witnesses, as well as rebuttal witnesses.

In the end, the jury will appreciate that SA did not drag this case out unnecessarily....like SOMEONE else appears to be doing....:banghead:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

She did not call 911 until early evening, but that was because she began an aggressive search for Casey. The car was towed to a lot. They did not know if Casey was responsible for that stink or not. Maybe it was stolen and used in a crime. Maybe Casey was involved in a crime, as they knew she was a thief and a liar. So, imo, they decided to try and reach Casey before reporting it to the cops. They never thought it was Caylee that was causing the death smell, imo.

BBM Cindy seemed to have considered the possibility it was Caylee when she told her boss the day they found the car "what if Caylee is dead"

 

[Florida Native]

Here is what I think happened.

SA prepared their opening statement, and had originally planned to lay out the entire scenario from start to finish.....

UNTIL they were flabbergasted with the Defense Opening Statement. I think they truly expected a more logical "story"...and after hearing Baez' opening, they adjusted their strategy to keep it simple for the jury....remember how shocked everyone was that GEORGE was the FIRST witness?? I don't think that was the original SA plan...I think it was quick thinking strategy...

I think after hearing the Defense theory, SA knew that the only hurdle they had to overcome was the "premedicated, Murder One" aspect....they knew it was a given that the jury would be convinced that Casey, and ONLY Casey was involved...

In fact, have you seen anyone comment that at THIS point, they are NOT convinced that Casey had something to do with Caylee's death?

The BIG question seems to be whether or not it was an ACCIDENT COVERUP...or MURDER...and that is what SA strategy focused on....so far...

But I don't think SA is done...I think they are now telling the Defense..."Your turn...." and then will fill in what is needed during cross of defense witnesses, as well as rebuttal witnesses.

In the end, the jury will appreciate that SA did not drag this case out unnecessarily....like SOMEONE else appears to be doing....:banghead:

You are dead on IMO.

 

[Mamabear1963]

you know what I am going to hate about the next 17 hours or so.....







the talking heads are going to be going in a thousand different directions.


I am not worried at all!!! JA, FG and LDB absolutely KNOW what they are doing!

They are going to let JB hang himself!!!

You see they are continuing to play their game and not the defenses game!!!


I can't wait to see the SA cross the DT witnesses...giving JB a schooling in how it is to be done.

Honestly...I just finished The Innocent Man by John Grisham and am part way through Skeleton Forensics by Michael Baden. There will be appeals but IMO the conviction will NOT be overturned...even if it is appealed for ineffective counsel. The case will be looked at and there is an overwhelming about of evidence that has been presented.

Only a little more time ICA and soon your address is going to change!

 

[Dignity4Victims]

Here is what I think happened.

SA prepared their opening statement, and had originally planned to lay out the entire scenario from start to finish.....

UNTIL they were flabbergasted with the Defense Opening Statement. I think they truly expected a more logical "story"...and after hearing Baez' opening, they adjusted their strategy to keep it simple for the jury....remember how shocked everyone was that GEORGE was the FIRST witness?? I don't think that was the original SA plan...I think it was quick thinking strategy...

I think after hearing the Defense theory, SA knew that the only hurdle they had to overcome was the "premedicated, Murder One" aspect....they knew it was a given that the jury would be convinced that Casey, and ONLY Casey was involved...

In fact, have you seen anyone comment that at THIS point, they are NOT convinced that Casey had something to do with Caylee's death?

The BIG question seems to be whether or not it was an ACCIDENT COVERUP...or MURDER...and that is what SA strategy focused on....so far...

But I don't think SA is done...I think they are now telling the Defense..."Your turn...." and then will fill in what is needed during cross of defense witnesses, as well as rebuttal witnesses.

In the end, the jury will appreciate that SA did not drag this case out unnecessarily....like SOMEONE else appears to be doing....:banghead:

BBM - pun intended? lol

 

[Kentjbkent]

SO has anyone looked over the Prosecution Witness List for possibilities on who this/these last witnesses will be???

More forensics? What is left forensically?

 

[chasing.halos]

LOL..As I said..There is absolutely no reason to bring in RA...and for just the outline of a possible cross you mentioned.....but IF she were to..she apparantly has KC's notes in KC's writings..so who knows what would be accepted by the jurors...

I feel like the defense will bring in RA. They have to bring the "sexual abuse survivor" story somehow. This will, in turn lead to the state being able to discuss Casey's reaction towards finding Caylee's body as well as all her LIES LIES LIES in the letters about Zanny and millions of other things...

I hope the defense does bring in RA... IMHO

 

[Kentjbkent]

BBM - pun intended? lol

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

This is why you must not eat pizza while you are typing...

 

[chasing.halos]

SO has anyone looked over the Prosecution Witness List for possibilities on who this/these last witnesses will be???

More forensics? What is left forensically?

Cell phone records as well as more plant/vegetation forensics. IMHO.

 

[allycat1208]

Is JG only on the defense's wittness list? Does anyone know? Just wondering because I just remembered JG stating that he thought there could have been an accident and then KC would go into a denial about the whole thing. I guess he would be a better witness for the defense.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

My impression of the fingerprint expert was (and this is not a slam) that she is SO intelligent (kind of geeky) that she WOULD only be focused on her specific job, and as an afterthought attempted to photograph the heart shape. Some extremely intelligent people lack in the common sense dept (not necessarily her). I thought she was very credible.

Also, I can't wait for JB to present his defense theory. It appears that he will throw a bunch of stuff at the wall to see if any of it sticks. As the old saying goes "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS" JMO

Are you saying she's a 'dunlurken'? (inside joke that somebody might get.)

 

[Mamabear1963]

SO has anyone looked over the Prosecution Witness List for possibilities on who this/these last witnesses will be???

More forensics? What is left forensically?

I don't think we heard from the botanist...or did we...root growth!!!

 

[chasing.halos]

Also- could be the searches done at the home AFTER Caylee was found. This hasn't been done yet, has it? This is where the laundry bag and heart stickers could come in.

 

[sorrell skye]

When CA called 911 to report her granddaughter missing, why not simply say "I haven't seen her since Father's Day" or "My granddaughter's been missing since Father's Day"?!

And then a missing child poster was printed with inaccurate information.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Just wondering...
Was the blanket, laundry bag, trash bags used at the same time or put on during the trips backing into the driveway, put on as needed.
Sticker: could it have been in the laundry bag, blanket or in the car and gotten stuck to the tape by itself.

IDK