2011.06.13 Sidebar (Trial Day Seventeen)

[Dignity4Victims]

you know what I am going to hate about the next 17 hours or so.....







the talking heads are going to be going in a thousand different directions.


I am not worried at all!!! JA, FG and LDB absolutely KNOW what they are doing!

They are going to let JB hang himself!!!

You see they are continuing to play their game and not the defenses game!!!


I can't wait to see the SA cross the DT witnesses...giving JB a schooling in how it is to be done.

Honestly...I just finished The Innocent Man by John Grisham and am part way through Skeleton Forensics by Michael Baden. There will be appeals but IMO the conviction will NOT be overturned...even if it is appealed for ineffective counsel. The case will be looked at and there is an overwhelming about of evidence that has been presented.

Only a little more time ICA and soon your address is going to change!

BBM - I think this is what most people are missing, the fact that the State has used this method of "short circuiting" their case for the simple reason that they are forcing the hand of the Defense to actually maybe, finally, begin to defend Casey.

They will rebut anything the Defense puts out, easily, and make mincemeat out of them in the process.

As a side bonus, the Jury now knows that the State will have ended their case in a timely manner - joy to the Jury because they'd prefer to go home! So if the case drags on with the Defense throwing out more ridiculous claims, the Jury will realize that it's the Defense who has held them up from returning home - not the State.

The Jury will not appreciate being kept from their homes & families for child's play, they've seen enough of that from the Defense as it is.

 

[MidAtlanticNative]

The fingerprint witness sounded like a tape recording or a manual of "how to do something".

My point exactly - she's probably told people "how" so many times she could scream. And let's face it, most people do need the elementary school version of anything outside their daily scope in order to understand it properly.

Maybe she could have snazzed it up a bit, I don't know. I thought she did a good job. ::shrug::

 

[LyndyLoo]

When CA called 911 to report her granddaughter missing, why not simply say "I haven't seen her since Father's Day" or "My granddaughter's been missing since Father's Day"?!

And then a missing child poster was printed with inaccurate information.

Well Cindy did say 31 days..ya only need to look at a calender..I guess that would be a moot arguement..

 

[countzero]

She did not call 911 until early evening, but that was because she began an aggressive search for Casey. The car was towed to a lot. They did not know if Casey was responsible for that stink or not. Maybe it was stolen and used in a crime. Maybe Casey was involved in a crime, as they knew she was a thief and a liar. So, imo, they decided to try and reach Casey before reporting it to the cops. They never thought it was Caylee that was causing the death smell, imo.

I cannot find any reasonable explanation to change my opinions about the Anthony's or anything they have done to obstruct the LE investigation of Caylee's murder. My opinions are based on what LE has investigated and verified, not by what the Anthony's claim.

It's ok if you or anyone else doesn't agree with me. I have read all the released docs more than just a couple of times. So let's just agree to disagree. Thanks.

 

[snowbun]

Monkeys cannot fly, let alone fly out of your or anyone's butt.

It is an impossible assertion, and would not be considered in a court of law.

However, it is not an impossible assertion that someone who has been accustomed to getting away with lies and manipulations to believe that she could attempt to cover up an alleged accidental death of her daughter. It is also not an impossible assertion to believe that the death may have been due to lack of responsible supervision, barring irrefutable proof to the contrary.

Wow...
Did you discard Dr. G's testimony?

 

[MissJames]

Monkeys cannot fly, let alone fly out of your or anyone's butt.

It is an impossible assertion, and would not be considered in a court of law.

However, it is not an impossible assertion that someone who has been accustomed to getting away with lies and manipulations to believe that she could attempt to cover up an alleged accidental death of her daughter. It is also not an impossible assertion to believe that the death may have been due to lack of responsible supervision, barring irrefutable proof to the contrary.

Back to some common sense.
I stole this comment from another poster and regret not tagging the name...here we go again
"I've heard of covering up a murder to look like an accident ,but when have you ever heard of covering up an accident to look like a murder?" :waitasec:

JMO ,but your assertion doesn't add up . If there has to be irrefutable proof,what would that be? Is that for you or do you think it's the law? Because it's not. A witness (can be unreliable) a video? What?

Using common sense and "inferring" can also be part of a jury's decision.
If this was an accident there would not be 3 strips of duct tape across her face and into her hair, she would not have been have dumped like trash.An uncaring person does that,not someone who loves a child that died accidently.
And most of all ,ICA would not sit in jail,removed from even her fellow prisoners ,for three years because of an accident.She would have begged for a deal with the State.
That's common sense to me. JMO

 

[grammieto5]

Whats wrong with that Wendy Murphy? We need a topic here about the HLN shows. She spouts the most ridiculous stuff and gets away with it. She says Caylee was not with Casey on the 16th and that Casey did not have her car on the 16th. She is intimating that Caylee was at home with george or the grandparents. She has cooked up this whole other scenario. Also, this other guess thinks the State has a lousy case and proved nothing. HLN is trying to get that murderer off and it makes me mad by having all these pro defense witnesses on day after day and no one on poor Caylee's side. I can barely watch that channel anymore.

OH I know! There is no one on IS or HLN, or even NG, JVM, that know what the truth is it this case. I'm not talking about KC being innocent or guilty. I'm talking about these shows not even being able to get the simplest issues right. They know NOTHING!

 

[2door73chevy]

I'm watching HLN and the lady (I don't know her name) says the whole trial could be over in a week.
That's not possible is it?

 

[Kentjbkent]

Is JG only on the defense's wittness list? Does anyone know? Just wondering because I just remembered JG stating that he thought there could have been an accident and then KC would go into a denial about the whole thing. I guess he would be a better witness for the defense.

I just finished looking over BOTH witness lists...and YES, Jesse Grund IS on the STATE witness list as well....

But have a few more questions...

I noticed that Roy Kronk is NOT listed as a witness on the DEFENSE list, so since the State did NOT call him to the stand during their presentation of case, does this mean that Defense CANNOT call him....

In other words, if prosecution neglects to call him to the stand tomorrow, or during their rebuttal case, Roy Kronk may not even be a witness in this case???

Where is ThinkTank when I need her?????:banghead:

 

[MissJames]

My point exactly - she's probably told people "how" so many times she could scream. And let's face it, most people do need the elementary school version of anything outside their daily scope in order to understand it properly.

Maybe she could have snazzed it up a bit, I don't know. I thought she did a good job. ::shrug::

I did too.

 

[MissJames]

I just finished looking over BOTH witness lists...and YES, Jesse Grund IS on the STATE witness list as well....

But have a few more questions...

I noticed that Roy Kronk is NOT listed as a witness on the DEFENSE list, so since the State did NOT call him to the stand during their presentation of case, does this mean that Defense CANNOT call him....

In other words, if prosecution neglects to call him to the stand tomorrow, or during their rebuttal case, Roy Kronk may not even be a witness in this case???

Where is ThinkTank when I need her?????:banghead:

AZ said the DT can still call him. Bummed me out.

 

[Dignity4Victims]

I'm watching HLN and the lady (I don't know her name) says the whole trial could be over in a week.
That's not possible is it?

If the Defense immediately "rests" and doesn't put on a CiC, yes it's possible, but it would be insanity & suicide for Casey to do such a thing.

But then again.... :giggle:

 

[GetSmart]

Well Cindy did say 31 days..ya only need to look at a calender..I guess that would be a moot arguement..

I was thinking that too.. It just seems when all the world is spinning that The Fathers day is easier to spit out than coming up with a date ..just too logical ..

 

[tragco]

I just finished looking over BOTH witness lists...and YES, Jesse Grund IS on the STATE witness list as well....

But have a few more questions...

I noticed that Roy Kronk is NOT listed as a witness on the DEFENSE list, so since the State did NOT call him to the stand during their presentation of case, does this mean that Defense CANNOT call him....

In other words, if prosecution neglects to call him to the stand tomorrow, or during their rebuttal case, Roy Kronk may not even be a witness in this case???

Where is ThinkTank when I need her?????:banghead:

Almost positive I read over on the attorney thread that as long as he is on one of the witness lists, state or prosecution, it will not be a problem for the defense to call him.

ETA: No can't find it there, maybe it is on the Kronk thread but I am almost positive one of our verified attorneys said this somewhere.

 

[Mamietwo]

OMG, she just doesn't stop, does she???

 

[strawberry]

Am I losing my mind? Did they not find (Yikes I sound like JB) a heart sticker at the scene? They haven't entered it into evidence yet.

 

[flourish]

I'm re-watching JB's opening statement (re-watched SA's this weekend and was amazed at how impressed I could be AGAIN and STILL after already seeing it at least once before).

Here are the "points" JB outlined in his super-special high-tech slide during his opening statements, just to refresh ourselves and maybe get an idea of the order his ...<censoring self>... arguments will come in:

(Noting that JB says that he wants to get the jurors home as soon as they have all the facts and not a moment sooner...I guess that's supposed to mean we can expect some facts from him? :floorlaugh: )

1. What happened?
2. Roy Kronk
3. The investigation
4. Suburban Drive
5. The car
6. The forensics
7. Conclusion

Also, JB said that "we here b/c of an onslaught of publicity," and that the investigation was incredibly thorough as far as it went towards his client but no one else. It will be interesting to see how he attempts to spin this incredibly thorough investigation or, like he wants everyone to believe, this thorough "conspiracy," which even dogs are in cahoots on. As if he had no part in the onslaught of publicity, actively and by not agreeing to gag order.

And let's not forget this little gem, within the first few, impressionable moments of his OS, "Now what I'd to cover with you--I've organized my opening statement into several different ways that I'd like to cover with you what I'm going to go over first." :waitasec:

After hearing this again, and his whole "you're gonna be shocked when you hear about Roy Kronk that the SA didn't mention him in their OS," is even funnier knowing that, at least up until today, the SA still hasn't uttered Kronk's name, and aren't likely to until rebuttal if necessary. :floorlaugh:

And don't forget, or let the mean ole SA distract you, this is a case about "life," not a murder. :maddening: :maddening: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:

All my "editorial comments" are moo, of course.

P.S. I really was hoping the stain in the trunk would be shown...I mean, it's clear as day IMO! My new mantra is "SA knows best."

 

[sorrell skye]

I think she was following procedure and if so she can't be faulted for that. Many of us are following this case exclusively but the FBI isn't. This is just case #???? to them IMO.

All potential evidence is important. All cases are important.

Regardless if she was simply following protocol, she missed an opportunity to collect potentially valuable evidence. Hopefully, it is a lesson learned.

 

[allycat1208]

Just realized because of what JG stated that he could imagine KC having an accident and than go into denial... I don't see any better witness than JG for the defense, except for River Cruz possibly. Being that, I still think the defense still has a weak case. Who else is a good witness for the defense, unless JB can bring in forensic specialists who can refute all the other forensic specialists....highly doubtful!?

 

[Lera213]

I just re-watched the opening statement by the State. I believe based on that more testimony of the Duct Tape, sticker will come in. The only items that the state mentioned that has not been brought before the Jury is:

Duct Tape used to hang posters

Tattoo was mentioned 3 times in opening Statement

JG was mentioned 3 times also.

The botanist could be called but LDB said "you will see by the hundreds of photo's that plant growth grew into the blanket, laundry bag showing that Caylee was there for a long time" So I don't think the states last witness will be the botanist but rather will be called as a rebuttal.

JG I think rebuttal

I'm thinking tattoo guy is up tomorrow. *shrug*