2011.06.18 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-Two)

[21merc7]

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There is nothing left to say.

 

[RR0004]

I would have loved to been a fly on the wall when he visited um what was their name, those people, that house oh you mean The Anthony's home. I would have loved to hear CA and the Dr. S conversation.

I don't think he did speak to the As...Ashton was trying to get him to say that he did. I think the DT may have brought him to the home.

 

[Nali87]

I'm still chuckling at "This is not my first rodeo!" Tell em, Judge.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Dr. Spitz could not even remember the victims's name today, but he sure did remember Casey's name. His references to the high profile status of this case revealed his motives for testifying, IMO. He admitted that his knowledge, of the investigative portion, of the case came from the family and the defense. He couldn't cite a single LE report that he had read on this case, not one. His grand finale was to accuse the ME of staging Caylee's hair, on her skull, for the pictures (all to incriminate Casey). IF I was a parent of the defendant, in this case, I would NOT be able to stand quietly by for any of this.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

He knows about him. Now they may go find someone else, since that didn't pan out too well.

Well they can feel free to blame me. I will tell JB and CM anything they wanna hear, they don't have to pay me a penny - then I'll take the stand and tell the truth (something the DT desperately doesn't want done).

I sure hope Dr. G brings a skull with her and uses it as a demonstrative aid - turning it upside down and showing the jury how you can actually SEE into the cavity without having to desecrate it further.

 

[MissJames]

Dr WS's inability to recall events surrounding the disappearance,his reluctance to take any of that into account ,completely blows any credibility he may have had on his final opinion. It wasn't even so much that he didn't know much about the events,but that he couldn't recall what he did or who he talked to get that info.
He said he talked to CM,but CM was not a lawyer for her back then.

 

[littlemisslegal]

Good morning! got a question for yall ..are ICA eyes Brown or Blue? I know early on when she was arrested she had very Blue eyes but now they appear Brown???

i believe she has contact lens that change eye color- i have every color and brown eyes can turn blue!

 

[ohiogirl]

I thought it was more complicated than that. Haven't experts said something about the difference in long-term use and occasional use in whether or not the hair tests positive for drugs? Seems like every time I've heard experts talk about drugs not being found in hair, I am left with the feeling that maybe drugs WERE used, just not long term. JMO

That's what Dr. D was referring to last night. Long term use would show up, they were referencing the "Zanny" "Xanax" suspicions. So, if there was nothing found, if there was any drugging, it would have been limited. Not saying there was or wasn't, just sayin..

 

[darnudes]

It is my understanding ICA willingly gave her rights to her parents in regards to the burial -vs- cremation.

JB then held a presser about how his client did not want her cremated.

IMO, it was all smoke and mirrors. The defense (ICA included) wanted her cremated but they wanted to blame it on GA/CA. At that time GA/CA/LA were in full cover up mode for MOTY.

This isn't making much sense but in a nutshell, if ICA wanted Caylee to be buried she had to power to do so.

IMO

You should read ICA's jailhouse letter about that, if you haven't already.

This is part of it;

My Mom has been battling us on the service details, religiously (and
without any consideration of my ideas or feelings on the matter.) Her
idiot attorney has been bashing Baez and my defense team for a couple
weeks now, without reason, and my Mom has done nothing to stop it.
We‘re the ones being made out to be careless, heartless and selfish, but
we‘re the only ones playing by the rules and trying to avoid stepping on
anyone‘s toes. Sadly, we‘re the true Schmucks in this for playing nicely.
There are so many details I want to convey, but it almost seems tedius to keep on *****ing. I‘ll stick to the main details, even though the one‘s
temporarily withheld are some of the most important.

 

[CementPond]

Oh and, lest we forget the good doc said we can also rule out a suicide. REALLY? Uh, uh, uh!

 

[ohiogirl]

Dr WS's inability to recall events surrounding the disappearance,his reluctance to take any of that into account ,completely blows any credibility he may have had on his final opinion. It wasn't even so much that he didn't know much about the events,but that he couldn't recall what he did or who he talked to get that info.
He said he talked to CM,but CM was not a lawyer for her back then.

I don't know if you saw his interview earlier this week, but he also said he was on the case before JB. (I know I said this earlier, but I didn't know if anyone saw it as the thread was flying)!

:loser:

 

[RR0004]

Yes it was! He kept saying why did they not test it for Xanax! duh, they did, and it was negative but neither of his 'experts' knew that....

Dr. Drew obviously follows the "blogs" and latches onto theories like ones we've had here.
JMO

 

[coloradoteacher]

Floridians, who BTW, are what this jury is made of, won't like that at all.:maddening:

I agree with this. I think most jurors would have a natural bias towards Dr. G because she is local she came across this case as a function of her job. Dr. Spitz is a hired hand from Michigan. If it comes down to a he said she said, I think Dr. G will win.

 

[SallyC]

BTW...Caylee's remains were x-rayed.

http://www.local10.com/news/18442821/detail.html

Thanks for the link.
If x-rays were done, no need to crack (sorry) open her skull. ((((Caylee))))
Dr G will came in to clarify all this. imo

 

[Boytwnmom]

about that sort of thing. Jurors with no knowledge and hear it was an accident from the DT. I can see people wanting to believe even it was an accident.

But what effect does the ensuing defense based on bizarre and ridiculous conspiracy theories have on this mind set? When you're supposed to believe daughter drowned, mother cried at scene and then never saw or knew anything about daughter again and left scene for boyfriends bed and month of partying, former LE Dad told her she'd go to jail for life and took body, other guy found body and hid it, someone duct taped skeleton to hold mandible, but nothing else, in place and ME performed shoddy autopsy and manipulated skeletalized remains to frame poor ICA who decided to sit in jail for three years without telling anyone about his "accident" while the rest of the world, including her Dad who sexually abused her, conspired to make it a murder.

I think if a were a juror I would have gotten a strong sense of deception from the defense. An opening statement that has not been supported by evidence. Witnesses whose testimony flies in the face of common sense and seems to ignore the precise facts of the actual case being discussed.

My DH has been a "mock" juror through most of this case. Before the trial started, he really didn't follow along, or pay much attention. He always thought there had to have been some type of an "accident". :banghead:

Since the trial has started, he has been "hooked" on it. Follows along as a good "mock juror" should.

His opinion has not only changed, that she is "GUILTY" beyond any reasonable doubt - He thinks she deserves the DP!

He is completely disgusted, as many of us are - At the sheer desperation of the DT, blaming anyone and everyone! He has even gone so far to say that pretty soon they will accuse random people on the street! This desperation says to him that she is so OBVIOUSLY guilty!! It is very disturbing!

 

[The Farm]

Oh my I missed the whole thing. I did not get home until a little while ago so trying to read up here. HLN is terrible anyway because it is all commercials.

 

[logicalgirl]

It never ceases to amaze me how differently people can interpret things. :waitasec:

OR the person who is tweeting has heard no other evidence in this case including Dr. G.....

Or is practising a comedy act.

 

[pcrum12]

And as Dr. G stated on the stand... she wasn't expect to find anything after that long. That she simply tested because she felt she needed to... just in case. Which shows how much care actually went into Caylee's autopsy. Dr. S's opening of Caylee's skull was needless and actually kind of cruel. Hadn't she been through enough?

Only thing is that with no cause of death and all the accusations and unknowns in this case, I think DR G should have done everything, I mean everything to try to determine that and any evidence at all and I think that would include an open skull examination.

 

[hannahsnana]

Jean caesarez (sp?) makes so many mistakes. She said "Dr. John Garavaglia" instead of "dr. Jan., when referring to the autopsy done by the state. When Dr. Spit was on the stand, she once referred to him as a prosecution witness. She also said the jury was looking at a picture of Caylee's brain in the skull, when it really was a picture of the black sediment, or whatever Dr. Spitz called it, on the inside of the skull cavity. The brain was totally decomposed and the skull was empty when found, and taken into evidence by LE.
There were several other mistakes made, but I cannot recall all of them to write here. The members of Websleuths know th accurate info, but someone not so well acquainted with the case could get a whole different mental picture from the verbal mistakes she makes. Anyone else notice this?

Yes, and who exactly does she report to in her job? Shouldn't he/she be made aware of her innacurate and misleading reporting?

 

[pinkfly]

I wonder if the first witness up this morning that will be deposed this afternoon found a TV and watched the WS swansong. I am so relieved that HHBP is done putting up with JB antics.