2011.06.18 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-Two)

[Wise Old Owl]

That was just stressful to watch. But think people, think. The jury has seen these photographs - now a few times. We've heard the testimony of the CSI that photographed the skull at the scene - as it was found. We've heard the testimony of the CSI that picked the skull up - how careful he was - how he put his hand out and "scooped" it and put it right into the bag. We've heard the testimony of the Dr. that CUT THAT BAG open and laid it out so the skull was as it was when put in the bag.

And now - we are just supposed to believe an "old school" doctor who said 'someone manipulated' the skull for the pictures? Really?

The jury will see through this - this was a victory for the SA - no doubt. It ruffeled JA's feathers so much that he slammed his book down on the table. Its preposterious - its ridiculous and it is totally unbelieveable. And the jury will think this too.

 

[SurfieTX]

He did not impress me by

-not wearing gloves
-not being able to send a sample to a lab if there is no one to do it for him
-expecting a skull to walk on a table to be photographed
-vaguely blaming colleagues for blatant fraud and misconduct

BBM: That stood out to me the most. The FL Bar will dis-bar an attorney for making disparaging remarks about colleagues. I can't believe that he said and implied those things. VERY unprofessional. VERY.

 

[whiteangora]

Please don't be. It went well for Caylee.

TY for the reassurance, I was just hoping that JA would be able to break him big time without looking like a bully.
I was hoping to hear one word of truth come out of his mouth. He held on to his lies like a pit bull.
Does the jury know his real reputation? That he'll testify to anything for the right price?

 

[Duckley]

@Aphrodite_Jones #caseyanthony Ashton tried to rattle Spitz -- but didn't get far. Spitz owned that courtroom today!

Wow she must have been in another courtroom

This is what concerns me... how people can see the same things so differently... wonder what the jury thought!

 

[jon_burrows]

All I have to do is compare his report to Dr G's report to know who has the most credence. Especially considering the fact that Dr S broke the skull (that there was no legitimate reason to open) and didn't even remember it.

What solid facts did he give to support the fact that the body had been moved? FGoodnessS, he didn't even know any of the investigative facts surrounding the case other than that the family had a pool and the "sub-adult" wasn't reported missing for a month.

No credibility at all, in my eyes. Where do you find the reasonable doubt?

I hope they have a picture of the broken skull. If they do, it will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the doc is lying. You don't forget breaking a toddler's skull.

IMO

 

[adb263]

Problem there is His Honor is not going to decide until after both sides rest. I do think that JB won't do this again, though. jmo

BBM....I absolutely think he will try again!!:loser::loser:

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

Either Sarcasm at the highest level without the notation of /sarcasm, or someone is looking to be on TV with a differing view as many do just to get on tv.

and it's that kind of pandering that causes me to sympathize who those folks who have chosen to live off-grid.

Seriously, I am near to considering it myself.

 

[mitzi]

naw - this was pure LKB

And unbelievably, we have another reason for LKB to hang her head, and not be appearing today (as has been the case the last 2 days), as a talking head. Perhaps, she has finally gotten her comeuppance.

 

[Tuffy]

Did anyone take a tally of the things Dr.S could not remember?

1. Doing interviews
2. If he broke the skull
3. Caylee's name

He couldn't remember where the protocols (you know, the ones that Dr. G didn't follow) were published. But he did know that if they were indeed published, he was involved in writing them! lol

 

[SeaNymph]

@Aphrodite_Jones #caseyanthony Ashton tried to rattle Spitz -- but didn't get far. Spitz owned that courtroom today!

Wow she must have been in another courtroom

Anyone familiar with Scott Peterson may remember she has a thing for saddling up beside slimy defense attorneys.

 

[Amster]

@Aphrodite_Jones #caseyanthony Ashton tried to rattle Spitz -- but didn't get far. Spitz owned that courtroom today!

Wow she must have been in another courtroom

Didn't she tweet something completely opposite during the testimony??

 

[LyndyLoo]

I'm not familiar with Dr. S. Is he usually a defense's witness? If so, then he was chosen by Baez for a distinct reason.

Not wishing to say too much (dont want to be TO's)..but yes Dr. S. is indeed a expert for hire, and I recall many high profile cases I have watched...and YES he does sell his testimony to def. teams and almost always disgards any findings by that state...dismisses at hand. I am flabberghasted he went sofar today to accuse Dr. G. of shoddy work, and even accused Forensic Staff of staging evidence...

Yepper, he has not changed his manner, attitude nor his denials of evidence..

BTW..I warned everybody yesterday that this man will truly entertain:floorlaugh:

 

[Donjeta]

I am completely blown away that Dr. Spitz actually called Dr. G's work Shoddy~!

Coming from someone who didn't wear gloves and didn't send any samples to a lab...

 

[LancelotLink]

JA did only what he had to do - and thank goodness not all that he could have. To see this old gent reduced to less than we saw would have been terrible.

I understand what you mean, but for me, it would not bother me one whit to see this trial groupie shown to the world for what he is, a fame seeking expert for hire who will say whatever he is told and use his past credentials as butter to slide the filth through.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Oh and, we also learned that he has no lab. That he only conducts tests on substances if he has help. Someone to run the samples to the lab for him.

I really resented him for implying that he had no access to a lab. Every practicing doctor is entitled to that access. Maybe he just didn't want to have to pay for it himself. But access? Of course he has access. Ridiculous answer that insults everyone's intelligence.

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

BBM....I absolutely think he will try again!!:loser::loser:

and again, and again, and again. Just the exact same way he goes about asking the same question when it's been sustained 14 freakin times

 

[IfIMay]

Actually, I don't believe a word he said because I know better. The question is, what will the jury believe, that's all that matters at this point and I'm worried.

so you don't think the jurors have the common sense you do? wow. :waitasec:

There are nurses and IT folks on the jury. I would think they know much better than most about the evidence in this case.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I noticed some comments on the other thread in response to my post in which I commented that JA sounded as if he was harrassing Dr. Spitz. I'm unable to respond there because the thread is closed.

At the beginning of the cross, I felt that JA was missing the main point which was that DS was saying that Dr. G didn't perform a completely thorough autopsy that included splitting the skull.

The tone of voice JA used was aggressive, not just a simple exchange of conversation. That's what JB got critisized for earlier in the trial. I can tell when that tone is being used because I hate it and my stomach immediately tightens up making me unable to actually hear what is being said (that's in my own life). It hinders conversation because the tone of voice overtakes the words being said imo. Sort of like intimidation. It's easy when you're on a particular side already to get behind the intimidation. The Jurors aren't supposed to be on a particular side and I want them to hear each persons words and not get caught up in the emotion or 'their side'.

That's why it bothers me - when used by either side.

 

[~PrinceSSa~]

May I ask, who is Dr S and what is his role in this trial? TIA

 

[Tuffy]

I hope they have a picture of the broken skull. If they do, it will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the doc is lying. You don't forget breaking a toddlers skull.

IMO

I believe that picture was shown today in court. We just didn't see it because it was a "skull picture" and those are not to be shown to the public. Yet another reason, I think this photo ban is not a good idea. I think these pictures are very important to this case.