2011.06.18 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-Two)

[Ada]

I'm not familiar with Dr. S. Is he usually a defense's witness? If so, then he was chosen by Baez for a distinct reason.

I think he was chosen by Baez because he is well known and high profile. JB knew he would help bring in the publicity, like Dr Lee. MOO

 

[cluciano63]

But does JB really care if he is sanctioned or held in contempt or even disbarred? That is what I am worried about. I don't think he plans to continue as a lawyer, I think he feels, in his mind, he will be moving on to better things, such as TV, books, maybe as a consultant on a movie. And he doesn't want the stigma of having lost this case, so he may make sure there is a mistrial. I just have a bad feeling about him...

 

[QuietStorm]

Either Sarcasm at the highest level without the notation of /sarcasm, or someone is looking to be on TV with a differing view as many do just to get on tv.

Never mind.

 

[SeaNymph]

I want to hear more about him saying he met Caylee...?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Now I will say this in the side bar thread: I can't let it go that this dr said he met Caylee and that she was healthy and happy. He says he went to the Anthony house and he claimed that the ME office STAGED the picture of Caylee's skull.

He also thinks SOD found the skull without the jaw and then found Henkel brand duct tape, the same kind found at the Anthony's and put the jaw back on the skull.

EVERYONE came along after Caylee was dead and had a hand in this, she was manhandled the dr stated.

RBBM: I wonder what he thinks the motive for reattaching the mandible to skull would be. What does he think this would accomplish, especially if the person who did it would want it to appear that the body had been there for a longer period of time, i.e.; to frame Casey?

 

[Doodlelover]

Can you smell it??? Smells like.... VICTORY!! Or in this case a conviction!!

If Dr. Sptiz was the DT's best witness, BRING IT ON!!!!!!

Casey is going doooowwwn!!

 

[Tuffy]

I wonder why JA didn't nail him to wall on that lie...actually point out where he broke her skull. Maybe it was obvious to the jurors?

IMO

Well, that's where Dr. S hedged, and admitted that he may have broken the skull, but had done it without being aware of it. I don't know, sounds like "shoddy" work to me, if you break the skull you're examining, and don't even realize it!

 

[RR0004]

Let's not forget that JA had the good Doctor admit to being on the OJ Simpson trial. A lot of people felt that a guilty man got away with murder in that case. Wonder how many on the jury felt about the OJ Simpson case? Then to sit there and listen to the good Doctor's insinuations of the ME basically posing Caylee's skull a certain way and someone taking the skull from Suburban Drive, putting duct tape on it, and then putting it back there?

And speaking of... if the good Doctor believes the skull was staged... what good does that do with his explanation of the "brain dust" being on that particular side? How can he give a expert opinion about the skull being in a particular position... if the whole skull had been tampered with?

Not just tampered with...but someone walking around with it until that person decided to reattach the mandible (in its correct anatomical position) and apply the duct tape...and if we are to believe the doctor...only on one side!!??!!

 

[Tuffy]

Can you smell it??? Smells like.... VICTORY!! Or in this case a conviction!!

If Dr. Sptiz was the DT's best witness, BRING IT ON!!!!!!

Casey is going doooowwwn!!

I know! I just pray that there are more defense witnesses like him.

 

[Tuffy]

Not just tampered with...but someone walking around with it until that person decided to reattach the mandible (in its correct anatomical position) and apply the duct tape...and if we are to believe the doctor...only on one side!!??!!

Don't forget that they applied degraded duct tape!

 

[FutTVStar]

I always felt they cremated Caylee's remains for nefarious reasons. I believe it even more now.

IMO

I read somewhere that ICA wanted Caylee's remains to be buried, not cremated. IMO if someone would have chosen cremation to "disappear" the remains for any possible future examination, it was her. JMO

 

[ohiogirl]

I really resented him for implying that he had no access to a lab. Every practicing doctor is entitled to that access. Maybe he just didn't want to have to pay for it himself. But access? Of course he has access. Ridiculous answer that insults everyone's intelligence.

If it was needed to send anything to a lab, it would have been paid for one way or another. This was either a failure by the DT or they didn't want to find something, or there really was no need to send it.

 

[truthsleuth]

Does anyone think there is a need to have Dr. G return to the stand in the State's rebuttal to speak about the autopsy, or should the State just let Dr. Spitz's testimony regarding a "failed autopsy" go, not worthy of a rebuttal?

 

[susan1122]

No one should be worried one juror will take what Dr. Spitz said today seriously. I don't think jurors take kindly to expert witnesses accusing LE and ME of tampering with evidence to frame a defendant.

He said LE in other cases have even hid bloody clothes to tamper with evidence. His paranoid ideas don't sit well with me.

Plus, Dr. Spitz was the one that broke Caylee's skull and couldn't even remember he was the one that did it.

I noticed some comments on the other thread in response to my post in which I commented that JA sounded as if he was harrassing Dr. Spitz. I'm unable to respond there because the thread is closed.

At the beginning of the cross, I felt that JA was missing the main point which was that DS was saying that Dr. G didn't perform a completely thorough autopsy that included splitting the skull.

The tone of voice JA used was aggressive, not just a simple exchange of conversation. That's what JB got critisized for earlier in the trial. I can tell when that tone is being used because I hate it and my stomach immediately tightens up making me unable to actually hear what is being said (that's in my own life). It hinders conversation because the tone of voice overtakes the words being said imo. Sort of like intimidation. It's easy when you're on a particular side already to get behind the intimidation. The Juror's aren't supposed to be on a particular side and I want them to hear each persons words and not get caught up in the emotion or 'their side'.

That's why it bothers me - when used by either side.

I understand what you are saying. At one point yesterday it was hard for me to hear when JA got angry. But I didn't notice that today. Maybe I missed it, but I really thought he was being gentle, for the most part.

 

[egnarts]

Amazing how a few short questions by JA can turn this witness from credible to kafuffle(?) Long list of credentilas and experience.
JA: Where is protocol that a skull must be opened?
long rambling non answer. no protocol exists.
Witness agrees to water in area. But, water did not have anything to do with stickiness on tape. However adipocere is sticky and in hair AND he knows this from only viewing picture of hair.
I could go on & on...but it is not worth my time nor these poor jurors to have to sit thru this nonsense.
Let's just end with a conspiracy theory.
Reasonable? ANY conjecture of doubt is NOT.
IMO

I'll be back later to read your insightful comments...and most likely be up until the wee hours of the morning once again! Read the thread...follow a link...end up in other threads...come back to today's thread...and round and round I go!

In the trial thread I had asked, but have not noted answer (just yet?)...Does anyone think it is possible that JB's antics of this AM (with the 1st witness and duct tape opinion not in depo) COULD be an extreme attempt at a mistrial? Meaning, forcing the judge to NOT allow the testimony which would result in 1) an incompetent defense, or 2) 'unfair' trial for (edit from ICS to ICA ?
TIA

 

[ohiogirl]

The thing I am wondering about is something that was brought up by Dr. Drew last night. Why was the hair not tested for drug residue? Or was it and I don't remember?

 

[Tuffy]

You'd think he'd have arranged locum tenens' lab privileges for this sort of thing, but I'm not sure how that sort of thing is done. While in other cases I'm happy for a second opinion, after reading up on Spitz' testimony with Phil Spector's trial, I can't help but think this sort of thing is his specialty, but it comes off as non-analytical armchair quarterbacking to other ME's work. /JMO


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BBM:

You know, for such an experienced doctor, he left me with the impression that he didn't know how that is done either!

 

[SallyC]

I am completely blown away that Dr. Spitz actually called Dr. G's work Shoddy~!

Where’s the professional courtesy? Dr G will be back.

 

[faefrost]

I wonder why JA didn't nail him to wall on that lie...actually point out where he broke her skull. Maybe it was obvious to the jurors?

IMO

He didn't have to. The simple look on the doctors face when JA pointed out to him that he broke the little girls skull during his hamhanded examination, and that he hadn't realized he had done it, told the jury everything they needed to know. That single moment showed exactly why Dr. G chose not to pointlessly open the small childs skull. It showed that Dr. Spitz seemed to not realize or care that the skull he talked about for so long was a 2 year old child named Caylee Marie Anthony. I can't see the jury caring the slightest about anything that Dr. spitz had to say today.

 

[RR0004]

You'd think he'd have arranged locum tenens' lab privileges for this sort of thing, but I'm not sure how that sort of thing is done. While in other cases I'm happy for a second opinion, after reading up on Spitz' testimony with Phil Spector's trial, I can't help but think this sort of thing is his specialty, but it comes off as non-analytical armchair quarterbacking to other ME's work. /JMO

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There was something about the lab...it's been so long...but I think by the time they got around to examining the remains they had been sent to the funeral home.
Someone help me...didn't the DT want to be in on the autopsy?