2011.06.18 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-Two)

[DIXIECAT]

:rocker:

Besides the and bull story about applying tape to the skull to hold the mandible in place, IMO Dr. Spitz made one statement that bears consideration: he said that adipocere forms in WARM temperatures, but Dr. Huntington claimed it takes COOL temps to form adipocere.... :waitasec:

 

[grammieto5]

Jean caesarez (sp?) makes so many mistakes. She said "Dr. John Garavaglia" instead of "dr. Jan., when referring to the autopsy done by the state. When Dr. Spit was on the stand, she once referred to him as a prosecution witness. She also said the jury was looking at a picture of Caylee's brain in the skull, when it really was a picture of the black sediment, or whatever Dr. Spitz called it, on the inside of the skull cavity. The brain was totally decomposed and the skull was empty when found, and taken into evidence by LE.
There were several other mistakes made, but I cannot recall all of them to write here. The members of Websleuths know th accurate info, but someone not so well acquainted with the case could get a whole different mental picture from the verbal mistakes she makes. Anyone else notice this?

I agree! The TH on HLN and trueTV need to come here to WS and learn the truth. I would think the people who own HLN and TruTV would be embarrassed to have so many misinformed people. They need to start reading from 3 years ago. I can not think of one person reporting on the murder of baby Caylee who has told the truth.

 

[DIXIECAT]

I swear I have no idea what trial the media is watching. They all have headlines that reflect how well the defense is doing. Not sure why they are doing this. The only thing I can think of is then when she is pronounced guilty, it will be a bombshell!!!! IIRC the news media was mostly against OJ and he was pronounced NOT GUILTY by the jury. Are they being overly cautious???

No, they are being overly liberal like most of the "mainstream" media. MOO

 

[Phoebeb]

I think the reason for parking near the dumpster was an attempt to mask the smell. Who would steal a car from a mall parking lot that smelled like a dead body?

I'm not sure having the car stolen was really a plan - maybe just a "hope." Once the car was taken, she could say to her parents that the car had been highjacked with Caylee inside. Wouldn't have been the first murderous mother to use that story...

Tink

IMO, ICA is no dummy. She has proven to be a great liar and to be very conniving...
She already put herself with the car with too many people (help w/ gas cans). If I were in her shoes (shudder) I would have dropped that car off in the worst part of town with the keys sitting in the ignition, hoping it would have been stolen. Then I would have walked to wherever I could get someone to pick me up- like a mall. I would have known that the S was getting ready to hit the fan and my time was running out with my parents wanting to see Caylee. Then, I would have immediately revealed the story about Zanny kidnapping her, etc. instead of waiting for my mom to track me down and corner me.

She knew her time to continue the charade was coming to an end. I would have thought such an experienced liar would have concocted a better story about the car and would have placed a panic call to her mom saying Zanny took Caylee.

 

[LunaticFringe]

I have a question.I have seen many references to people saying that Casey will or they hope she will fry.I don't just mean here at WS.I mean all over the www.

Is this meant that they hope she burns in hell or that they hope she goes to the electric chair?We all know she would chose the needle over being the latest creation of Jiffy Pop.

I know it's an old saying...I was just wondering.:crazy:

 

[QuietStorm]

I don't want ICA to get the DP but not because she doesn't deserve it. I hate the thought of her being protected from the general population when that is where she deserves to be. Not treated differently and 'protected' while serving her sentence. I WANT ICA in the GP and treated exactly like any other inmate. IMO that will be a far harsher sentence than the DP.

JMO

I dunno. I think she is able to twist any situation into her advantage. Still, she will meet some ladies who don't think child killers have a place in this world. And she will meet people who make her little BS ways look like ring around the rosy.

 

[Tuffy]

I trust this jury to come to intelligent conclusions, so I'm not troubled by what might or might not be said in the media.

I too am still confident in the jurors. My problem with the skewed reporting is that, if convicted, it may lead the public to believe that an innocent person has been convicted. People may believe that the jury was wrong.

I believe that this has happened in the Darlie Routier case here in Texas. A lot of the sensationalism in the media has led to a lot of people giving her money. There is a huge segment of the population that believes these sound-bites.

I just shudder to think of how large the "free Casey" crowd might be.

 

[RR0004]

Good morning everyone..

I was thinking last night about how many people in the public think this was an accident and cover up by Casey, way to many for me to be comfortable.

I believe Casey is 100 percent guilty and I want justice for Caylee so bad I can taste it, but I am worried about how many people believe this was an accident.

If the jurors were to believe that is what happened, I wonder what they would charge her with, or would they let just her go, any thoughts?

If I understand what the duties of a jury to be, don't they have to see evidence of an accident before they render a verdict? I don't see how the defense has substantiated their claims in their opening statement...at least, not yet. They need to base their decision on what has been presented at trial. I understand how personal "feelings" may weigh in their decision, but I don't believe in their instructions there will be mention of "go by what your gut is telling you". They need to weigh the evidence. If they don't, they will fall short of what their responsibilities are.
JMO

 

[logicalgirl]

I believe to Dr. S baby Caylee was not a real person. I believe Dr. S did not really know who baby Caylee was. Dr. Geravaglia believed baby Caylee was a realy person. We saw Dr. Geravaglia's compassion when she told us the reamains were those of Caylee Marie Anthony. We it witnessed again how deeply Dr. Geravaglia felt for baby Caylee when she stayed in control while being questioned by CM. Once again we saw Dr. Geravaglia's true comminent to baby Caylee when CM asked her who put that mandible there, Dr. Geravaglia answered without hesitation, "God put it there" Dr.S's testimony is nothing compared to Dr. Geravaglias' I believe the jury will feel the same way.

Great post thank you! And I would like to add - there were no tweets saying the members of the jury were laughing, smirking, shaking their heads or looking incredulous during Dr. G.'s testimony like they were with Dr. S.

 

[Tuffy]

Besides the and bull story about applying tape to the skull to hold the mandible in place, IMO Dr. Spitz made one statement that bears consideration: he said that adipocere forms in WARM temperatures, but Dr. Huntington claimed it takes COOL temps to form adipocere.... :waitasec:

Adipocere can form in a myriad of conditions. I'm not sure why either doctor claims one or the other.

The transformation of fats into adipocere occurs best in the absence of oxygen in a cold and humid environment, such as in wet ground or mud at the bottom of a lake or a sealed casket, and it can occur with both embalmed and untreated bodies. Adipocere formation begins within a month of death, and in the absence of air it can persist for centuries.[3] An exposed, infested body or a body in a warm environment is unlikely to form deposits of adipocere.

Corpses of women, infants and overweight persons are particularly prone to adipocere transformation because they contain more body fat.[1] In forensic science, the utility of adipocere formation to estimate the postmortem interval is limited because the speed of the process is temperature-dependent. It is accelerated by warmth, but temperature extremes impede it.[1]

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[Concerned Papa]

This is an excellent article...

Here's why Casey Anthony does not deserve death penalty

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...asey-anthony-061911-20110618,0,1598783.column

While I agree that this article is an excellent, thought provoking, look at Florida's criminal justice system regarding crimes against our children, I can in no way agree with the examples given as validation of why Casey Anthony does not deserve the death penalty.

Frankly, cases like Casey Anthony and the one cited for Richard Adams in 1998 reinforces my belief that these monsters do NOT deserve to breath the same air as our children.

I don't want ICA to get the DP but not because she doesn't deserve it. I hate the thought of her being protected from the general population when that is where she deserves to be. Not treated differently and 'protected' while serving her sentence. I WANT ICA in the GP and treated exactly like any other inmate. IMO that will be a far harsher sentence than the DP.

JMO

Hello my friend, it's been a long time. While I can see your logic and could certainly accept LWOP as a consequence for her crime, if wrapping her own child's mouth and nose with duct tape and placing her possibly still living little body in two garbage bags and a laundry bag doesn't deserve the DP, what does?

 

[Tuffy]

I don't want ICA to get the DP but not because she doesn't deserve it. I hate the thought of her being protected from the general population when that is where she deserves to be. Not treated differently and 'protected' while serving her sentence. I WANT ICA in the GP and treated exactly like any other inmate. IMO that will be a far harsher sentence than the DP.

JMO

I think Casey would do fine in GP. She would fit right in. She seems to adapt to situations, and mimic others to suit her needs. I would actually be more afraid for the other inmates, than for Casey in the general population.

 

[Phoebeb]

I was searching "Bella Vita" on google. I do not speak Italian, obviously. The movie "Life is Beautiful" comes up on the search (la VITA e` BELLA). That translation makes more sense to me than simply, "beautiful life". Maybe she just left off the "la" and "e`" on her tattoo, and what it really means to her was: Life is Beautiful.

 

[RR0004]

I have a question.I have seen many references to people saying that Casey will or they hope she will fry.I don't just mean here at WS.I mean all over the www.

Is this meant that they hope she burns in hell or that they hope she goes to the electric chair?We all know she would chose the needle over being the latest creation of Jiffy Pop.

I know it's an old saying...I was just wondering.:crazy:

Just a saying...IMO. For me personally, it's a way to vent. What was done to that child (poor Caylee) was beyond evil. I'd be just as glad to see her put away for the rest of her life and never to hear mention of her name again.

 

[logicalgirl]

Let me preface this by saying I strongly agree with your opinions of ICA. However, I still have a hard time wrapping my head around a mother doing this to their child. I believe we are biologically setup to protect our children. We hurt when they do, even down to the smallest little cut, scrap, bruise. We hug them, clothe them, feed them, do everything in our power to protect them.

IMO, she's a freak of nature and I will never understand how a person, any person, can do this to a defenseless child. For a mother to do this to their child is incomprehensible to me.

Your statements IMO are admirable and I really thank you for your thoughts.

I learned later in life, when I struggled with "my realities" that I should go back and examine my "core belief" about something.

Yours is"mother's are set-up to biologically setup to protect our children" and I agree with you. But I do not agree with the core belief that "All Mother's are set up...etc.) because clearly they are not. We would have no dead children, no abused and abandoned children, no children who are drug addicted, etc.

So, if you changed your core belief to "Most women are biologically setup to protect our children" - you may, like me, find some peace about mother's who kill. I now look for the reasons behind it, but I don't hesitate in my belief that they should receive the ultimate punishment for the ultimate betrayal.

 

[chakti]

I disagree with the author of that article. Furthermore, all the other mothers/fathers he cites deserved the DP too. JMO.

I feel any one who rapes or kills a child should get a minium of life without parole and then up from there.

These are the sickest most vile animals alive.

 

[Tuffy]

I don't agree with it Tuff, I want her as dead as Caylee is.

A few of the cases he mentioned made my blood boil.

Oh, I thought you were in agreement with the author. Ooops. You just said it was an excellent article, not that you agreed with it.

Some of those cases made my blood boil too. Kids getting hurt makes me cringe.

 

[Serjen]

Let me preface this by saying I strongly agree with your opinions of ICA. However, I still have a hard time wrapping my head around a mother doing this to their child. I believe we are biologically setup to protect our children. We hurt when they do, even down to the smallest little cut, scrap, bruise. We hug them, clothe them, feed them, do everything in our power to protect them.

IMO, she's a freak of nature and I will never understand how a person, any person, can do this to a defenseless child. For a mother to do this to their child is incomprehensible to me.

I know what you mean and feel the same, but the fact is there are endless mothers who cause unimaginable harm/death to their children all the time. Andrea Yates drowned her children one by one in a tub, even chasing the older one around the house before catching and drowning him. Karla Yates poisoned her son to the point where he became paraplegic, then took him on a canoe ride and dump him overboard while he was still alive, and was weighted down by his arm/leg braces. China Arnold microwaved her infant to death. Diane Downs shot her children in the car. Marybeth Tinning killed all 9 of her children throughout a span of 14 years...and the list goes on and on. It's simply very, very disturbing and sad

 

[Tuffy]

Your statements IMO are admirable and I really thank you for your thoughts.

I learned later in life, when I struggled with "my realities" that I should go back and examine my "core belief" about something.

Yours is"mother's are set-up to biologically setup to protect our children" and I agree with you. But I do not agree with the core belief that "All Mother's are set up...etc.) because clearly they are not. We would have no dead children, no abused and abandoned children, no children who are drug addicted, etc.

So, if you changed your core belief to "Most women are biologically setup to protect our children" - you may, like me, find some peace about mother's who kill. I now look for the reasons behind it, but I don't hesitate in my belief that they should receive the ultimate punishment for the ultimate betrayal.

BBM:

Wise words, logicalgirl! It really does take time to acquire wisdom, doesn't it? We could be born smart, but life learning results in wisdom.

 

[21merc7]

The article everyone is talking about, to me, is clearly anti death penalty based. There is nothing wrong with that, there is a great movement toward that in our "democratic" society. The only problem is that the argument in the article is not well founded, nor well written. As such, it is poorly written. That leaves the readers wondering what is this person really trying to say here. :twocents: