2011.06.20 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-three)

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I would be tempted to shoot my TV:banghead:

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Jean C (InSession) just said that Baez is a "gentleman" in court. Really, Jean? All I see is a petulant, smirking, sulking 40+ year old man who obviously has no idea how to handle a capital punishment case nor how to conduct himself in court.

:floorlaugh: Jean also said that she is more like JB after Beth K. said she was a feisty attorney like Jeff. If I was Jean, I wouldn't be too proud of that! LOL...she stepped right in that one
 
so i'm re-watching opening statements and JB mentioned Cindy's co-workers who heard comments from Cindy about the ladder being down on June 17th....think we'll see those people testify for the defense??
 
I love it! But, I think (not sure) most of my previous pictures were removed, even though I tried to avoid any improper labeling. I have seen similar or worse here, but I do not think I will post mine. I DO enjoy this kind of humor... so please carry on!

Would LOVE to see yours and share mine! I don't want to risk a WS smackdown and lose access to posting.... sooo... guess we'll have to wait for someone (a mod) to give us permission & set the rules?

ETA... Found just the place in the PL!!!!! Yippee!!!!! (love, love, love the kitten & dog pix that was posted)
 
I'm thinking we could really have a blast with SEVERAL pix... do we have to go to a thread in a super secret lockdown forum or can we start one in the main Caylee forum... setting some ground rules of course (no actual spelled out names, 4 letter words, nasty name calling, etc.)...

thoughts? comments? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

I hate to be a party pooper, but these sorts of pictures amount to a type of visual bashing, which is against TOS.
 
Actually other than the victim in this case, Caylee, the one I feel most sorry for is HHJP. HHJP is backed into a corner and JB knows it. And I know how absolutely angry HHJP must be about it. JB knew he could willfully disobey HHJP's order and there was nothing HHJP could really do about it or risk handing ICA a easily appeal-able verdict. And you add in CM egging JB on telling him there is nothing HHJP can do and you can see how we got to where we are at now. JB was DETERMINED to run this case trial by ambush. And that's what he's doing, and is getting away with it.

Although we'll see how this plays out for JB after the trial is over. We'll just see how well it worked out for him to royally piss off one of the most well respected and highest ranking judges in Orange County.

I predict that we will have many more delays before the defense finally rests. This will be a reoccurring theme. JB will elicit some testimony of an expert not contained in their depo or report ON PURPOSE and then HHJP will have to stop the proceedings to give the SA time to depose the expert again about some brand NEW findings.

You are so very right. I only hope that when this is all said and done, the dust has settled, and the CONTEMPT hearing has been held, that CM is also called to task for his behavior in this case.

My opinion, however, is that with all of these tactics dealing with the mechanics of the case, if I was on the jury it wouldn't matter (other than to pizz me off). I would still see through all of the BS and vote "guilty punishible by death".
 
Why would he want a mistrial, when an acquittal would be better for his client? Wouldn't there be another trial somewhere down the road? (I should ask this in the lawyer's thread.)
I'm not trying to take up for him, by any means, I just think he is not cut out for this kind of case and really thinks he can get by with these little infractions. Some people are just not cut out for it.

Well for one, they have already seen how the State presented it's case. If they got a mistrial right now they could retry the case and perhaps get some of the most damning evidence booted. And then they can prepare their case already knowing how and what the SA will throw at them.

Remember if ICA gets a mistrial the ENTIRE case starts over. That means all new Frye hearings, all new MIL (motion in limine) the whole shebang. They would get the 2nd bite at the apple (and in some cases a 6 or 7 bite at the apple) Although an acquittal would be best for ICA the next best option is a mistrial.

I don't think a mistrial is going to happen though. HHJP is working too hard to make sure that doesn't happen.
 
For some reason, the State did not follow through, after appearing to put in so much work with Spitz re: the skull issue

JA painstakingly drew Spitz's attention to the position of the hair in order to force acknowledgement (on Spitz's part) that this, the position of the hair, illustrated that the skull had not remained permanently on the left side, as Spitz insisted.

The follow-through required JA to then assertively challenge Spitz's contention that the residue within a portion of the skull was brain-tissue remnant. Had JA continued this line of logic, it would have done a great deal to demolish Spitz's claim that opening of the skull of skeletonized remains was absolutely necessary, indeed, 'protocol', and in doing so, Spitz's repeated criticism of Dr. G

However, JA backed-off at the critical juncture and this was regarded by many commentators as JA's unwillingness to subject the eminent Spitz to any further public humiliation ... a sentiment which was generally applauded and subsequently seemingly rewarded via Spitz's reported admiration for JA

Imo, JA needed to hammer home -- for the sake of the jury -- the points he'd seemingly been at such pains to establish throughout his lengthy and often confusing exchange with Spitz. But JA didn't follow through and via his numerous emphatic claims that Dr. G should have opened the skull, Spitz doubtless impressed upon the jury that Dr. G had failed to follow 'protocol' and had thus failed to gather vital information

Bold mine.

JA knew he wasn't going to get the answers he wanted out of Dr. Spitz...all JA has to do is call Dr. G back during rebuttal, and she can explain why she didn't cut the top of the skull off, and she will tell what the lab found in the sediment, when she performed a saline rinse of the skull...unlike Dr. S. who claimed he didn't have a lab to take it to, so did nothing to confirm what the sediment was.

Don't worry...Jeff will take care of this...this is his life's work and he is a master at it.
 
He says he knows nothing because it is true. He did not even have the phone number that JB is claiming he used to have convos with GA. The man is just another victim of this most desperate defense. He's pretty much been cleared and will not be testifying.

I only wish to expound of what you said..regarding this poor man...He indeed need an attny in order to challenge the suppoena..as his claim of not knowing nuthin just isnt enough to say..but he has to prove it..then he has to get a court order to get whatevers from his telephone provider to prove that he indeed NOT possess that particular phone numer that defense used to connect him to George Anthony...I cannot see anybody being able to get their hands on the records to support his claim WITHOUT LEGAL REPRESENTATIONS..

As an aside..IIRC this man contacted the prosecution and he was advised to contact a lawyer..Am I wrong:waitasec:
 
HLN is replaying Dr. Spitz' cross examination... it's even harder to take the second time! My heavens.
 
O/T wanted to say thank you to everyone here at websleuths, your post are wonderful
and I have been able to keep up to date, thanks to all of you.
 
I only wish to expound of what you said..regarding this poor man...He indeed need an attny in order to challenge the suppoena..as his claim of not knowing nuthin just isnt enough to say..but he has to prove it..then he has to get a court order to get whatevers from his telephone provider to prove that he indeed NOT possess that particular phone numer that defense used to connect him to George Anthony...I cannot see anybody being able to get their hands on the records to support his claim WITHOUT LEGAL REPRESENTATIONS..

As an aside..IIRC this man contacted the prosecution and he was advised to contact a lawyer..Am I wrong:waitasec:
I am hoping that Morgan&Morgan will be able to do a little more for this man as they are doing for Zenaida.
 
I don't think JB cares either.

It's pretty sad when you can't present a proper case so then your only hope is to try to make a mistrial happen.

I doubt JB cares about his future as a practicing lawyer either. He's made all types of new friends during the past three years. LKB, Geraldo, AL, etc. He's probably the next talking head we'll see on HLN as a legal consultant.
 
so the Motion to Quash Subpoena today had to do with him?

06/20/2011 Motion to Quash Subpoena

http://mobile.mcall.com/p.p?m=b&a=r...DL.w=&DL.d=10&DQ=sectionId%3A6090&DPS=0&DPL=3


Casey Anthony trial: Perry adjourns court until 9 a.m. Tuesday – no explanation given

By Anthony Colarossi and Walter Pacheco , Orlando Sentinel
Mon Jun 20 2011 1:01 PM

Vasco Thompson is a 'non-party' in Casey case
Also filed today was a motion to quash the subpoena for Vasco Thompson, the man the defense listed as a late witness last week.

The motion, filed by attorney Matt T. Morgan, says Thompson is set to appear before Perry at 8:30 a.m. Tuesday.

It goes on to say Thompson "has no personal knowledge of facts relating to the alleged killing of Caylee Marie Anthony."

The motion calls Thompson's subpoena for trial "a misguided attempt to draw attention and publicity to an already highly publicized matter."

Thompson "believes that the defendant's subpoena for trial is only a delay, to create confusion in the evidence and a ploy to create an illusion of reasonable doubt," Morgan's motion says.

It adds that the subpoena "was filed in bad faith against the non-party Vasco Thompson" and creates an undue burden on him.

The motion asks Perry to quash the subpoena and enter "a protective order prohibiting the defendant, Casey Anthony, from further contact with" Thompson.
 
Actually other than the victim in this case, Caylee, the one I feel most sorry for is HHJP. HHJP is backed into a corner and JB knows it. And I know how absolutely angry HHJP must be about it. JB knew he could willfully disobey HHJP's order and there was nothing HHJP could really do about it or risk handing ICA a easily appeal-able verdict. And you add in CM egging JB on telling him there is nothing HHJP can do and you can see how we got to where we are at now. JB was DETERMINED to run this case trial by ambush. And that's what he's doing, and is getting away with it.

Although we'll see how this plays out for JB after the trial is over. We'll just see how well it worked out for him to royally piss off one of the most well respected and highest ranking judges in Orange County.

I predict that we will have many more delays before the defense finally rests. This will be a reoccurring theme. JB will elicit some testimony of an expert not contained in their depo or report ON PURPOSE and then HHJP will have to stop the proceedings to give the SA time to depose the expert again about some brand NEW findings.


Thinking along those lines, the SA's case is farther removed every day this drags on and that might be the motive behind all of this. Delay delay delay and take advantage of people's short attention spans.... hmmmm...
 
Life circumstances don't always allow parents to enable their children to play with others. I grew up an only child, no children in the family, and no children to play with until I went to preschool. I didn't know what I was missing, so I didn't miss it.

I turned out OK, I think.

In Caylee's case, though, I don't think it was a matter of life circumstances so much as a disregard for possible social needs of the child. They took a back seat to Casey's social "needs".
 
He says he knows nothing because it is true. He did not even have the phone number that JB is claiming he used to have convos with GA. The man is just another victim of this most desperate defense. He's pretty much been cleared and will not be testifying.

I believe he doesnt know anything. Plus he has been to court before . All this man had to do was get up and tell the truth. There is not anything to twist or distort in what we all know happened.

So what is the problem?
Will he be asked leading questions and tryed to be made to look like there was conversations yes ,but there were not and it can and would be proven in court.

It wouldnt even get past the was your phone number 333-3333 in 7-08.
No sir it was not.
 
Well for one, they have already seen how the State presented it's case. If they got a mistrial right now they could retry the case and perhaps get some of the most damning evidence booted. And then they can prepare their case already knowing how and what the SA will throw at them.

Remember if ICA gets a mistrial the ENTIRE case starts over. That means all new Frye hearings, all new MIL (motion in limine) the whole shebang. They would get the 2nd bite at the apple (and in some cases a 6 or 7 bite at the apple) Although an acquittal would be best for ICA the next best option is a mistrial.

I don't think a mistrial is going to happen though. HHJP is working too hard to make sure that doesn't happen.


And JB could get away from his opening statements in this trial.:banghead:
 
I don't watch Fox news, but I do like Shepherd Smith. Saw this online.

""What more do you need to know here if you're the juror than: that kid is dead and this woman is partying. And nothing adds up....That child is dead and this woman is partying and nothing else adds up."
 
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