2011.06.21 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-four)

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Excuse me for going OT for a moment -

Thank you to all who post on the trial thread. I had to leave just as they broke for lunch & just spent the last 1/2 hour reading about April Whalen, more computer evidence & Jose Baez making a total mockery of a capital murder case.
This forum is really a great thing - thanks everyone !

Ps - In Session is now comparing Baez to Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinny. OY, how is Judge Perry going to keep from having a mistrial ? There's only so much he can do you know.

 

[grandmaj]

Does anyone think that LDB threw this info out there to the defense to purposely show them and their client what they are capable of doing if ICA took the stand?

Oh yes I think they are telling Jose Baez we have your number be careful where you walk. :rocker:

 

[Marina2]

ITA.

If I was sitting on the jury, I would want to know the time this alleged drowning occurred. If it can't be provided by the ONE person who should know - Casey Anthony - then it's totally bogus.

This whole "We don't know the specific time" or "It was morning, no it was afternoon, no it was morning" is absurd and completely unbelievable.

That's one of the most ridiculous parts of the story. Just ask KC what time it was, JB. KC, help out your attorney, you were there weren't you? Do they really think the jury won't notice this?

 

[4realtho]

Every time I get scared about that, I think of CM and DS also being her counsel.

I agree. ICA has a dream team of lawyers. I can't see her getting another bite of the apple for not having good counsel. Plus, she has top of the line experts. This girl better eat lunch and then take a plea.

 

[TiaM]

This won't be about AW's credibility. She doesn't even claim anything. It's to show ICA may have overheard the story and incredibly that's the new defense story.Of course in the real story,the grandfather started CPR, as you would expect.
Moot point right now,but may become one.

So when LDB said she would "not necessarily" have this witness testify, that means not if the DT doesn't open that door in their CIC I'm guessing.

Basically once Baez grills GA and Kronk and others about the drowning/taping/moving the body, they've left room for that to be rebutted.

I think the jury REALLY needs to hear about April Whalen and her son. If I was a juror - I'm thinking NO WAY was that just a bizarre coincidence. That would cement GUILTY as charged in my mind if I'm a juror.

 

[cluciano63]

Sorry to interrupt---I had to leave just as they were taking the 10:30ish break....Who did they call before lunch, and is it worth watching? Thanks so much if anyone can let me know...

Jen Welch was on for two minutes (CSI) and then the botanist, Dr. Boch, for a while. Nothing really came out from her testimony except she was trying to say that the remains could have been there for as short a period as two weeks. She didn't come off very well, IMO, strayed from her deposition a few times. then time was spent with the Dutch DNA expert, out of jury, to determine if he can testify, that part is worth watching...IMO

 

[laserdisc10]

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Had to quote my own post to reference this photo:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/2020/ht_1_2008_080905_ssv.jpg
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That's so sad to see. Poor little thing, still trying for that camera-smile, still trying to please, despite something clearly being wrong with her face to the point I wouldn't have recognised her as Caylee, had I seen that photo elsewhere. One side of her face (the right side from our perspective) doesn't seem to be working properly -seems frozen, as after a numbing injection for a tooth extraction. Or maybe the cheekbone area on the right side is swollen ?

 

[Sleuths4Me]

I think it is Caylee's hand in this . Kind of like the ladybugs and dragonflies in teh Scott Peterson's case (read Sharon Rocha's book- AMAZINg).

could you explain?

 

[Patty G]

When I heard the State mention AW and what happened with her 15 month old son, etc., etc., the hairs on the back of my neck stood up.

Although not much is in the articles, except for the fact that the grandfather had to jump into a above ground pool, really concerned me. IMO, a 15 month old would not be able to climb a pool ladder to get into the pool.

Looking at the dates of AW being in Orange County jail, raised the hairs again, and either a "repeat" offender may have told Casey or it was learned through the "jail bar vine" that this happened to AW child.

A member mentioned AW birth date, of which, is June 16th. I have a lot of faith in numerology, of which, has shown up often in this case. I do hope LE can connect the dots in this case for Caylee, as well as going back and taking another look at AW child's drowning.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

OMG ... those two "mugs" -- the hair, eyebrows, mouth ... remind me of ICA ...

creepy ...

Hmmmm maybe the same hairdresser? Lady tells Casey the story of a ladies baby drowning who she just cut her hair the same way?:waitasec:

 

[TotallyObsessed]

omg...Richard Hornsby on wesh tv now saying the defense should pull out a white pocket square and surrender.


hahahahaha - he also has a huge white pocket square as does Jeff Deen.....it's their new courtroom attire they said.

 

[technicalconfusion]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm definitely having a " now I get it, now I understand" moment....:floorlaugh:

 

[STEADFAST]

I dunno - this seems a little too much like the Zenaida on the sawgrass visitor card situation to me. Casey had been using the Zanny name long before that visitor hit up sawgrass - I'm going to assume she told the drowning story before 3 years in to this situation !

Casey had been using the Zanny name for a long time. But no one ever heard her use the Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales name until after the real Zenaida visited Sawgrass. She would need a first and last name for the kidnapping babysitter, not just "Zanny." And if she told the drowning story long ago, why would Baez allow her to sit in jail facing a death penalty trial without investigating it (or reporting it to LE for them to investigate) in an attempt to get her freed?

 

[snowdaze]

You know I can see ineffective counsel if there is a legitimate reason. I'm not sure laziness to do your job, or even getting starstruck and going on every TV show and talk show so that you don't have the time to do your job would be considered ineffective IMO.

She chose him and at any point could have released him. Isn't this correct?

 

[Beccaboo]

Lawyers can't plead if client does not agree...I don't see Casey pleading if she gets a second chance...

I disagree. I think if Jose had not been involved this case would have gone away quietly with a plea deal. Casey is a liar, she is narcissistic, but had her family been in contact with her, if Jose had not encouraged the isolation of Casey, I truly believe this would have been over years ago. JMHO

 

[ahoyhoy]

Jen Welch was on for two minutes (CSI) and then the botanist, Dr. Boch, for a while. Nothing really came out from her testimony except she was trying to say that the remains could have been there for as short a period as two weeks. She didn't come off very well, IMO, strayed from her deposition a few times. then time was spent with the Dutch DNA expert, out of jury, to determine if he can testify, that part is worth watching...IMO

Did JA destroy the Dutchman too? I love those moments....I think I'm gonna start stalking a Florida State's Attorney...Nothing sexier than a man with a huge heart and huge brain. JMO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Casey's reaction to LDB's statements with regard to April Whalen at the 42:30 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/user/1947Sierra#p/c/D29F0F3B3542B352/3/vnmFdeyWxP4

Usual stone face, however she does look a little freaked to me and shakes her head "no" when LDB states their may have been indirect contact.

Thank you!!!!:rocker: You rock

 

[JSR]

Hey ... anyone notice that Dominick Casey's depo was filed this am??????? It was taken this March. Have we seen this before????????.

 

[LambChop]

Exactly. Why should she get an appeal based on ineffective counsel when she has other 'competent' attorneys on her team? :maddening: As a Florida taxpayer, this makes me angry. Seems like CM has been more concerned with 'having fun' then giving ICA a quality defense.

Plus the only one who could have related the AW story to defense was KC. If JB is going by what his client says, how can that be his fault. The other stuff, yes, but not complying with court orders so he can get his client an advantage. This should not be looked at as if he was not trying to properly defend her. He does have arguments for his behavior it's just the judge does not buy it. Plus isn't CM just sitting there happy as a clam and not literally hanging over JB's shoulder. This was all planned and not by JB. Seems there is someone on the defense team that is better at this than JB is and has nothing to lose by playing fast and loose.

I think AW will be keeping some of this defense team up tonight. NOW we all know why the whole team filed into the holding area where they keep KC this morning. I'm sure they asked KC about AW's story prior to court and I'm sure she denied it....just another coinky dink. jmo

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

Please leave AW alone. She doesn't need to be sleuthed just because you can. TIA

Thank you!!! Thank you!!!! Thank you!!!

I personally don't care what she looks like, what she did or what she didn't do...I am just thankful that she spoke up!

Oh..and she's not on trial!