2011.06.24 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-seven)

[Murphismo]

Ripping/cutting three pieces of duct tape.

Applying three pieces of duct tape.

The time it takes for Caylee to die with those pieces of duct tape on.

Is a lot longer than an instant.

TOTALLY agree, I was just clearing up any idea that premiditation takes a long time, most states define it as a very short period

 

[LadyL]

why are people thinking manslaughter?

doesn't the duct tape on Caylee's mouth & head kind of imply premeditation?

there would be no reason to apply it after death correct?

 

[Murphismo]

:heartbeat:

You have a very good point.

Either way I return to work Monday and will only have WS to keep me informed with the truth. I will so miss all of you and watching the trial on a daily basis.
I will also miss breakfast, lunch & tequila! I am sooooo bummed!

OH, there will fortunately always be food and tequila, unfortunately more trials.... sigh....

 

[allycat1208]

Not long enough, IMO, not long enough...

I think either 13-20 or 13-30 yrs.

 

[strach304]

LKB just said that Caylee's little remains were absent of shoes.

We knew that. That is why some posters surmised that she died at the Anthony home. I think she died in the trunk. Works for that scenario too.

 

[gibby207]

I actually think the jury will believe Lee and Casey did the <modsnip> because that crap was just weird today........however, I think it won't have an effect on their verdict.

Good point! Even if they did <modsnip>, a murderer this does not make!!

 

[nursebeeme]

DO THE JURORS KNOW WHO AMONG THEM ARE ALTERNATES?

No. They will not find out until it is time to deliberate.

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WILL THE ALTERNATE JURORS BE SENT HOME ONCE DELIBERATION BEGINS?

No. If the 12 main jurors find Casey Anthony guilty, the 5 alternates must stay to hear the penalty phase of the trial.

http://www.cfnews13.com/casey-anthony-faq

I found this.. but nothing yet on penalty phase length

 

[coloradoteacher]

This may have already been said as I can't seem to get caught up on this thread, but he also said that once they get the case, they have to all be kept separated when they are not deliberating. I guess now they can hang out, just not talk about the case.

They will have hours of deliberation- probably 9-5 to avoid anyone feeling bullied or tied and having them try to pull all nighters. When they are not in deliberation hours they will have to be separated, so no, he does not think they would be done in a few hours.

 

[Bullwinkle]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF1vX0wumGA"]Lee Anthony: "I was really hurt"[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocqmaucLmzw"]"Creep" (Radiohead) covered by Zora[/ame]

 

[gibby207]

I think either 13-20 or 13-30 yrs.

30 years works for me.... she'll be in or near menopause hopefully and never a parent again.

 

[GetSmart]

Does anybody know what document it was that HHJP was referencing the DT and SA read before closings arguments? Sounded like HHJP doesn't want sloppy objections or other violations during closing. IMO he's put up with enough already. Also, I think he did it mostly for the benefit of JB, rather than send him back to 1st semester law school...

I am trying to locate a video to replay that and cant find one.. wftv ends after testimony ..

 

[MissJames]

you guys help out a nurse:

didn't Ann F say that she needed two weeks for the penalty phase and mitigation phase of the trial? I cannot exactly recall....

I believe she did. She risks seriously ticking this jury off if she does that,though.They are so done. JMO

 

[lisasalinger]

LKB just said that Caylee's little remains were absent of shoes.

I have also thought about the absence of shoes (and socks) and I think it means that Casey killed her inside the house.

Also, I wonder if the prosecution will ever bring up the fact that the child was wearing a t-shirt and shorts when dumped. If she snuck out of the house early morning before anybody saw her, wouldn't she be wearing pajamas?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

see my post under yours (about baez trying to call the DoD under fire).. it is laughable because it will never work. it is dod policy.

I'm pages behind so please forgive me if this is duplicate info that has already been posted (but I was impressed by its clarity):

"d. Service as an expert witness (Section 2635.805).

question
My training and experience uniquely qualify me as an expert in my field, and I am often asked to serve in civil trials as an expert witness. What should I do if I receive a request for such service on behalf of a non-Federal party?

answer
Contact your ethics official. Service as an expert witness does require prior approval by an ethics official with authority to give it. Requirements for approval are strictly observed. Each occasion must be individually considered."

http://www.usda-ethics.net/faq/faq8.htm

 

[Americka]

LKB just said that Caylee's little remains were absent of shoes.

She's been saying that for about a week now. Again, what is the relevance of that fact? If the defense is claiming that Caylee drowned, wouldn't that play into that theory? But we'll never know the true facts because only one person can testify and she ain't gettin' on that stand!

Cindy tried to claim that Caylee ALWAYS had shoes on and went so far as to say Caylee loved to wear shoes. I guess Cindy didn't remember there are at least 2 videos and couple of pics of Caylee with no shoes on. 'Much ado about nothing if you ask me.

 

[nursebeeme]

WHAT ARE THE CHARGES AGAINST CASEY ANTHONY?

Casey is accused of killing her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee, sometime in June or July 2008. The official charges against her are:

First-degree murder
Aggravated child abuse
Aggravated manslaughter of a child
4 counts of providing false information to a law enforcement officer:
That she worked at Universal Orlando in 2008,
That she left Caylee with a babysitter named Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez,
That she told Jeffrey Hopkins and Juliette Lewis that Caylee was missing,
That she received a phone call from Caylee on July 15, 2008.
You can view the entire case timeline here.

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WOULD CASEY ANTHONY AUTOMATICALLY RECEIVE THE DEATH PENALTY IF CONVICTED?

No. If Casey is found guilty of murder, each member of the jury will then recommend either death by lethal injection, or life in prison without the possibility of parole.

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WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM SENTENCE CASEY ANTHONY COULD RECEIVE FOR THE OTHER CHARGES?

30 years for aggravated child abuse
30 years for aggravated manslaughter of a child
1 year per count for the 4 counts of lying to investigators

http://www.cfnews13.com/casey-anthony-faq

 

[Murphismo]

I honestly have to say I don't see how this family is so dysfunctional; perhaps because mine is too, don't we all have sibling rivaly, a love-hate relationship with mom, and a "cousin eddy"? What is normal? Is it normal to want to hide or not face your single 19-year old daughter pregnant with no father in sight? Maybe? At any rate, at risk of sounding cold, I see no point in raising rape/dysfunction/incest/poverty, ect. until the penalty phase. We have a CHOICE, if you are god fearing - GOD gave us a choice! Guilty or not? THEN, show mercy based on circumstance. Not every victim of a weird family should be exonerated from killing their child, or lieing to police, or showing no remorse at the death of a child

 

[strach304]

Has this been brought up because I just thought of it and want your opinions. Dr. Spitz said duct tape was put on after decomposition. How could that possibly tie in with the opening statement from the defense? They are tying the duct tape to GA so how did he apply the tape after she decomposed? I think Dr. Spitz made up a story to fit the defenses theory only he got their theory mixed up and thought they wanted to pin the duct tape on the body snatcher!

 

[SarahEcho]

30 years works for me.... she'll be in or near menopause hopefully and never a parent again.

Even if she gets less time, she will likely be on parole for some time and unlikely to have a child. I'm not sure she would allowed to retain custody if she did.

 

[ColdDayIn]

Caption this

"As a matter of fact, it's called TESTILYING, not TESTIFYING...I am absolutely testilying that I researched chlorophyll errr...chloroform!!"