2011.06.25 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-eight)

[Azcrabcakes]

How can casey be texting anyone when she does not have a cell phone?
Are you talking about Casey & Cindy?

Throughout this trial it has been evident ICA has had access to a cell phone, which she often held in her lap. I did not see it but others posted she even had it concealed inside a binder or notebook. When in her lap, I could see her hands moving furiously, in a texting motion. Since we did not SEE the phone (At least I did not) I suppose she could have been doing SOMETHING else.

I feel it is a travesty if she is texting anyone in her family... That's me.

:blowkiss: Also, thanks to the mods for leaving this sidebar thread open. I had lightly followed ICA from the start, but never delved in like you Websleuthers. I am fascinated, and appreciate being able to come here and read all I want. Thanks too to all who have kindly answered my questions! :blowkiss:

 

[KathrynL]

No, I know that. I find it telling that there's no psychiatrists claiming that childhood traumas left Casey messed up.

My guess is that their psychiatrists diagnosed Casey with sociopathy, or some other equally damaging personality disorder (or a combination thereof). This is why they decided against using them and opening the door to an evaluation by a prosecution expert (that would testify to this damaging information).

moo

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think the defense knows the truth.. I believe they know exactly what happened to Caylee. I posted a few weeks ago if they were obligated to tell what happened IF they knew. I received and answer that due to confidently with attorney/client they do not have to tell any facts of what really happened.. only the defense they come up with.. that doesn't seem legal to me.. if they have information about a crime it sould be reported.

If they know the truth, as in Casey Confessed...they can't tell. But they also could not put people on the stand that they know are committing perjury.

There is a second way around it......they could pass her off to another lawyer and instruct her to keep her mouth shut.

A defense lawyer will NEVER ask the question of their client, "did you do it?"

 

[luvmygarden]

I was thinking if there was any evidence in all the investigating that GA was the culprit in Caylee's death the doors of the jail would open with ICA leaving and close GA entering the cell. That would have happened quite awhile ago.
ICA can think her enire family will lie but it is not getting her anywhere.
I agree LA's tears were real because he made a decision not to oblige the defense.
ICA's tears were for herself. Things didn't go as she and her mom and JB planned.
I think CM knew at that point for sure the defense was not having their way. GA already let them know that when JA asked him those last questions in the first days of trial.
I think CA is the only one willing to lie but the accusations against her from the defense
were not as extreme as they were for GA and LA.

 

[GetSmart]

Why go after Cindy on the stand when they can simply discredit Cindy's testimony when they put her boss on the stand in rebuttel?

Oh me too The Big Wigs at Corp will not be happy with her stating under oath it was and is a common practice to allow such behavior..tampering with and falsifying documents and I believe TIME CARDS ARE LEGAL DOCUMENTS.

http://www.ehow.com/about_5632339_time-card-laws.html
Warning

• Because time cards are official business records, falsification of time card records are violations of the law. Employers should therefore ensure that employees are aware that any deliberate misstatements on time card records, or filling in time cards for someone else, are serious offenses that may result in severe consequences, including discharge.

 

[Aedrys]

Sidebar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will now have to put this thread in recess for a legal matter that is not related to WS being just like Hotel California. Everyone go home and we'll resume on Monday.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Phoebeb]

I cannot imagine in a family that is obviously run by the mother, that if anyone suspected the father, her husband, or the son, her child could be the father, would allow a child to be born or to be raised in the same house as her grandfather/father, or her uncle/father. This makes no sense to me. I realize ICA was too far along when the pregnancy was revealed, for a termination, but there is always adoption. This is just to screwy to be believable. I can't imagine that anyone CA, GA, or LA would even consider this possibility. And if it were true, I can only see CA as being furious, and would immediately leave and not be a party to it. I have the same feelings as far as GA or LA molesting ICA. Cindy would not continue to live with this man. I don't believe it for a minute. It is just too sick. jmo

I totally agree. Does anyone know when LA moved out of the house? I know he was living there before the birth, but how soon after Caylee arrived did he move out?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

JA and LDB fighting over who gets to cross Casey if she takes the stand.

JA: I can get her to make this face in 5 questions.

LDB: I can get her to make this face in 3 questions.

 

[Azcrabcakes]

I cannot imagine in a family that is obviously run by the mother, that if anyone suspected the father, her husband, or the son, her child could be the father, would allow a child to be born or to be raised in the same house as her grandfather/father, or her uncle/father. This makes no sense to me. I realize ICA was too far along when the pregnancy was revealed, for a termination, but there is always adoption. This is just to screwy to be believable. I can't imagine that anyone CA, GA, or LA would even consider this possibility. And if it were true, I can only see CA as being furious, and would immediately leave and not be a party to it. I have the same feelings as far as GA or LA molesting ICA. Cindy would not continue to live with this man. I don't believe it for a minute. It is just too sick. jmo

You are comparing these behaviors to a NORMAL family, that's why it seems incredulous and bizarre. I have come to realize the Afam operates in their own sphere of normalcy.

 

[JustMeDeb]

Assuming there is no plea deal, anybody else excited for rebuttal?

 

[Peepers]

I have no idea of CA is lying, I tend to think she believes that her searches for choraphil could have triggered the chloroform fiasco. Its not like CA got up there and said "yes I searched for chloroform 84 times". And I do think its possible her memory is better in hindsight. If you have ever had a traumatic event, you know that as time passes you can remember things you didnt focus on before. I am a nurse, work for a big company and we actually do not ever see our "timecards", as a salaried employee, its not as crucial as other employees who actually punch in. Our office assistant sends in our "time card" but because we cannot do overtime, we simply tell her the hours we have put in and we can "take some time back" when we are not busy, etc. So I dont think the time card thing is as nefarious as it sounds..I do concede I could be entirely wrong about CA and she is lying, Im just not entirely convinced her testimony was as lying and egregious as some think. Time will tell....I hope..
jmo

 

[QueenD]

Not sure if this has been posted or not, but everyone should watch this 3 minute account of Saturday's activities. I found it very intriguing and telling. Especially Chaney and Mason in the holding cell with ICA - and her response coming out.

Something is definitely UP!

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28358075/index.html

Saturday: Minute-By-Minute
Local 6 News reporter Tony Pipitone recounts what happened in the Casey Anthony murder trial on Saturday.

MOO

Mel

Hey Mel you posted Chaney and mason do you mean Casey and mason.
I did get a chuckle out of that.

 

[Bainbridge]

Not sure if this has been posted or not, but everyone should watch this 3 minute account of Saturday's activities. I found it very intriguing and telling. Especially Chaney and Mason in the holding cell with ICA - and her response coming out.

Something is definitely UP!

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28358075/index.html

Saturday: Minute-By-Minute
Local 6 News reporter Tony Pipitone recounts what happened in the Casey Anthony murder trial on Saturday.

MOO

Mel

Thanks for posting this, Melanie. I was kind of afraid this was due to an issue with the SA's not disclosing information, or something like that. Seeing it broken down this way, though, I definitely now think there is an issue within the DT.

 

[laserdisc10]

My guess is that their psychiatrists diagnosed Casey with sociopathy, or some other equally damaging personality disorder (or a combination thereof). This is why they decided against using them and opening the door to an evaluation by a prosecution expert (that would testify to this damaging information).

moo

This is quite an issue in itself, though, isn't it ?

Guess I won't make any friends here by suggesting sociopathy/psychopathy is as genuine a mental disorder as any other and as such, must relieve an accused of responsibility for his/her actions (with the only appropriate 'punishment' being institutionalization)

 

[JustMeDeb]

Oh me too like I stated on Cindy Testimony thread her stating under oath it was and is a common practice to allow such behavior..tampering with and falsifying documents and I believe TIME CARDS ARE LEGAL DOCUMENTS.

I also remember her saying she would at some point like to return to work for the company. Yeah, I don't see that happening.

 

[Joanner]

Not sure if this has been posted or not, but everyone should watch this 3 minute account of Saturday's activities. I found it very intriguing and telling. Especially Chaney and Mason in the holding cell with ICA - and her response coming out.

Something is definitely UP!

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28358075/index.html

Saturday: Minute-By-Minute
Local 6 News reporter Tony Pipitone recounts what happened in the Casey Anthony murder trial on Saturday.

MOO

Mel

That's a great video. Thanks for posting the link.

 

[yllek]

JA and LDB fighting over who gets to cross Casey if she takes the stand.

JA: I can get her to make this face in 5 questions.

LDB: I can get her to make this face in 3 questions.

JA: I can get her to make this face AND do a double fist clench in 3 questions..

 

[Aedrys]

I have no idea of CA is lying, I tend to think she believes that her searches for choraphil could have triggered the chloroform fiasco. Its not like CA got up there and said "yes I searched for chloroform 84 times". And I do think its possible her memory is better in hindsight. If you have ever had a traumatic event, you know that as time passes you can remember things you didnt focus on before. I am a nurse, work for a big company and we actually do not ever see our "timecards", as a salaried employee, its not as crucial as other employees who actually punch in. Our office assistant sends in our "time card" but because we cannot do overtime, we simply tell her the hours we have put in and we can "take some time back" when we are not busy, etc. So I dont think the time card thing is as nefarious as it sounds..I do concede I could be entirely wrong about CA and she is lying, Im just not entirely convinced her testimony was as lying and egregious as some think. Time will tell....I hope..
jmo

I'm sad to say I think this is the reaction she wanted to get out of the jury. I have learned the hard way that Cindy Anthony is far more devious and manipulative than I used to give her credit for. I believe she is willing to say just about anything so her precious Casey doesn't die. Not even killing her grandchild was enough to make Cindy draw a line in the sand with Casey. Now do I think she actually searched for Chloroform or actually fudged her time cards? Probably not. But is she more than willing to get on the stand and SAY she did, oh hell yes. So no, in real life, she didn't do these nefarious things. But being willing to get up on the stand and say she did is nefarious in it itself, and is what really upset a lot of us. Don't be fooled by this woman. The only thing she cares about is saving someone that doesn't deserve to be saved. I have no doubt she would be Casey's next target. And Cindy wouldn't believe it until the moment right before Casey killed her either.

 

[knt]

I really think the issue is witness tampering

In an interview with Greta on Fox her Mr Lippman the Anthony's attorney said
"The Idea was presented to her that she was doing a search and a popup came from a UTube site with a skateboarder breaking his neck or something along those lines but she did not write break neck into the search bar...."

I would really like to know who presented this Idea to her.............

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html

the video is Anatomy of a Bombshell he say it at about 6mins and 40sec into the interview
I also found this link of a body language persons break down of her testimony

http://drlillianglassbodylanguagebl...es-on-stand-in-attempt-to-protect-casey-voic/

Why isn't this "bombshell news"?? Lippman is saying CA lied on then stand! CA stated on the stand that she remembered that neck breaking you tube pop-up. This needs to be called out by the SA!!! :banghead:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

My question is - why didn't JA ask Lee what it was he discussed with him?:waitasec:

He just went off into his snit about LA even having a conversation with Baez, the man who publicly stated while a couple of people watching that he wanted to follow in his father's footsteps and was already abusing his sister.

I just find the suggestion that LA would sit down and agree with this to save his sister's life - when it would completely ruin any life that LA hoped to have now or in the future. You see him explaining to every employer, to his wife and future children, friends, etc., that it was all to save his sister? Think of the implications of that.....

BBM

Because a good attorney never asks a question in court unless he already knows the answer.