2011.06.25 Sidebar Thread (Trial Day Twenty-eight)

[Hey boss!]

wait now I am all confused, what date was fathers day? B/C I think they had a big fight (CA and Casey) after she got home from her visit to Mt Dora, regarding Casey ripping the GP off, etc So then CA, Casey and Caylee all jump in the pool together that night? Nah... So if the fight happened AFTER they went swimming, how did Cindy manage to remain civil to CA, civil enough to swim w/ her? Cos I can just see her b****ing at CAsey in the pool- Casey would get out of the pool, she wouldnt stay there and listen to her moms bi*****g. Then again, its all about appearances so maybe Cindy chose not to speak to her about it outdoors- the neighbors might hear!

Am I wrong or did'nt something come out (I think Lee said it) about CA and Casey having a HUGE fight Fathers Day evening- and didn't Brian Burner say he heard shouting and lots of the F word?

I seriously have lost the ability to keep up and I thought I had it all straight, but to be honest sometimes I wonder if I didn't have a dream and just incorporated what I thought I knew w/ the dream.

Dunno. I have lost half of my mind thanks to this case. That I DO KNOW.

lol

It is Jesse Grund that told LE that Lee had said that. BUT, Jesse also said that he thought Lee might be making that up to see if Jesse would blab it to LE. So nobody really knows if the fight really happened, but I think Lee was probably just trying to "trick" Jesse as a test, which of course, he failed.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Maybe they are illegal but lots of places do it...my last workplace did and my sister's does...

My job working for an agency (for 15 years) was the same as Cindy describes.

 

[countzero]

I just found something totally bizarre - In one of Cindy's letters (7 June 2010) to ICA she says...

"Thank you for trying to call me on Mother’s Day. We gave up the house phone right after you left home in 2008.
Dad, Lee and I kept our same cell phone #’s. Maybe sometime you can call me. It’s
***-4731."

Didn't Cindy on the stand say that she hadn't changed the home phone number and it was still the same?

That's what I thought.

In my state, inmates cannot call a cell phone number. It has to be a landline. Not sure if Fla does this too. Here, it's a private contractor to the state who actually keeps records of the numbers dialed from the jail and prison community phones.

 

[Tipstaff]

I just found something totally bizarre - In one of Cindy's letters (7 June 2010) to ICA she says...

"Thank you for trying to call me on Mother’s Day. We gave up the house phone right after you left home in 2008.
Dad, Lee and I kept our same cell phone #’s. Maybe sometime you can call me. It’s
***-4731."

Didn't Cindy on the stand say that she hadn't changed the home phone number and it was still the same?

I had to read this 3 times "after you left home" almost like ICA is at camp, college, got her own apartment, moved to the beach etc. Again another instance of CA not speaking forthrightly.

Yes Cindy did say she had the same number IIRC.

 

[Paintr]

Does anyone know when Lee first moved out of the family home? What year? what time of year? I just can't seem to find that info.

:waitasec:

 

[Solshine]

Absolutely,but I wouldn't call it ignorance :seeya:

I think we have seen so much &$ from JB and the Anthony's over the last 3 years that it may appear we are hate mongers or have tunnel vision,to those who are only just learning about them.
I hope that makes sense.

I wasn't really referring to the jurors perspective.

I hope I don't come across that way. I'm in Orlando and have kept up with the case since Day 1, just not at WebSleuths and not primarily from MSM. Maybe I haven't read every depo and maybe I haven't spent as much time on the trial as some of you, but I do feel that my opinions are just as valid and my observations just as keen... maybe just not as informed on the minutae.

At the beginning of the trial I was beginning to question my initial repulsion of the Anthonys/Baez and as the trial continued I have reaffirmed my distrust of them. Knowing the jurors were most likely privy to at least some of what we have been exposed to, I think these are interesting perspectives, especially since we don't have the keen knowledge that some of you do. :seeya:

 

[logicalgirl]

Now that the lying has started on the witness stand anyway, I wish one side or the other would mention the fight that supposedly took place on the night of the 15th of June. I think it is important and would allow the jury to see more of the family dynamics. They are only getting bits and pieces, nothing like the real story. But of course none of the A's would tell it like it happened anyway...

I keep wondering why it hasn't been brought up but I guess it's because the SA pretty stuck to facts for their side, the problem with the emotional stuff is it is all he/she/she said and too easy to twist. The SA doesn't have to prove motive, just show evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and I don't think they wanted to muck up what is a pretty clear picture.

Unfortunately for us, it is the emotional stuff we think is the most important and the most interesting....:crazy:

 

[Jstc4caylee]

I think the point of CA's time sheet is: yes, it is true, some places operated this way. However, if that is the case, it would be the same every week, and we already know that week ending 3/21 showed a lot of overtime.. Why ?

 

[cluciano63]

I keep wondering why it hasn't been brought up but I guess it's because the SA pretty stuck to facts for their side, the problem with the emotional stuff is it is all he/she/she said and too easy to twist. The SA doesn't have to prove motive, just show evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and I don't think they wanted to muck up what is a pretty clear picture.

Unfortunately for us, it is the emotional stuff we think is the most important and the most interesting....:crazy:

I think it would help make sense of things to the jury...it is hard to remember sometimes, how much they don't know about this family.

 

[logicalgirl]

I do not believe another honest person on this earth given the facts that their child or grandchild had been missing for 31 days and after the vehicle the mother or another relative solely drove now reeks of death would wait 7-8 hours to call LE. When one also adds the fact one knows what past history the mother or relative had committed.

CA wasn't stupid. She was a wiling participant in allowing ICAs behavior to continue and to cover it.

Now, I don't put personal info on the internet, but this I will in general terms. I have called LE regarding child abuse inflicted by a close relative. I have testified in court against the relative. I didn't wait for further injuries to happen. I didn't wait to discuss it with them. And I sure as carp did not coverup or lie for them. Would I do it again, dang straight in a NYC heartbeat. I have lived with a CA twin for over 40 years so I do know intimately about their abilities.

Now to get back to the tread. Linda, Jeff and George have about 50+ years of experience between them in prosecuting ICA types. They know what they have and need. JB has what, three years and CM is going to retire. Dorothy doesn't deal with murder cases, she's medically trained. Anne is the only one left who has years of experience in defending the death penalty.

I am beginning to think the reason Anne ISN'T at the defense table currently, is she suspects or knows ICA will need her during the penalty phase. That is utmost on Anne's mind. Keeping ICA from the long hallway walk.

One problem - CA did not think of Caylee as missing. She thought she was with ICA and assorted friends, nanny and family of said nanny. That is very clear from her testimony just after the 16th of July.

No getting around it.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Ok - side by side here

First is H Gagne's child playing in Caylee's bedroom
Second is the pic entered into evidence yesterday

ETA: forgot links:

pic #1 - http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/...rlCindybabysits48Hours.jpg&mediafilter=images

pic #2 - link above in thumbnails - I pulled it from there

I am only on page 30 (been out of town) and seen this post. Is this the Anthony Entertainment Center?? If it is, there is no way that this is Caylee. Caylee was not almost as tall as the Anthony Entertainment center!!

 

[puppyraiser]

I know an attorney can't just leave. ICA would have to let him go and CM is who called this meeting. I believe it is either that or witness tampering.
???

If you go back through videos of the past week, you will be able to see that CM does not have the same swagger in his walk as he had displayed when he first joined the team and as seen in much earlier videos. To me, there are multiple times when he stands up and appears to almost try to brace himself before taking a step. Watch as he walks around the table, or through the door in the video from Saturday. Someone mentioned that it looked like he stumbled or was bracing himself...... I noticed that too and thought that it appeared he was in significant pain. He has also made "mistakes" that, for someone with his experience and track record, should not be made.

There was a post (will have to go digging) that mentioned he possibly had prostate cancer. I lost my father to Prostate Cancer and 2 out of my Dad's three brothers were also diagnosed with this horrible disease. IF the statement is true about him having PC (since it hasn't been confirmed or denied), then it would make sense that he may be too ill, or too medicated to continue. His mind is not as sharp (evident by the mistakes he's made, having to go to JB for assistance), his speech is garbled, the volume is softer and he walks like he is in pain IMO.

Maybe JB"s latest faux pas was the last straw for CM and he took it upon himself to set the record straight with HHJP about JB and all his antics so that he could take over and finish this trial ASAP, keep his record and reputation intact and possibly before his health deteriorates.

Maybe he just has a sore back.... who knows.

 

[countzero]

I think it would help make sense of things to the jury...it is hard to remember sometimes, how much they don't know about this family.

You're correct. But remember, both the SA and DT (by default) are giving them the "cliff notes" version of who they truly are and catch them up to speed without bringing in the emotional stuff we have witnessed in the past three years.

 

[kitkit]

I have watched the WESH feed many times today. Went and watched WFTV feed a few times. On the WFTV feed part 2 George has got something weighing on him big time. He looks like he's going to be sick. Lots of deep breaths, it doesn't look like the same George. I think Jose was going to have him come in Saturday at the end with a big ending for the jury to ponder for the weekend. I think he will tomorrow take the stand and either say he did molest Casey. (which I believe nothing will happen to him for changing his mind) just wonder what the jury will think. Or I think he's going to say he helped in the cover up of the baby. He knows he will do time for it but Casey wont get the DP and then I'm sure she wont get that much time. I don't put anything past this family. George worries me a lot. He just doesn't look or act right in these clips. So what would make him act so differently than any other day?

 

[logicalgirl]

Cindy said they watched the video from the nursing home and all cried together...very bonding experience...all the while Cindy said this was going on ICA was texting Tony...like to know how that happened between tears. Of course I guess CA said nothing that night to ICA about stealing from her grandfathers nursing home account....oh brother!!!

LOL - who says both the touching video and the fight didn't happen? Just cause CA only mentioned one of them doesn't mean the other one didn't happen also.

 

[Boytwnmom]

which means Paid Time Off which is what salaried workers put down when they take a day off. And on 3/25 it shows she only worked 5 hours and left early and there it was accurately reported. The evidence shows her daily hours varied and were recorded accurately. Her lies are just too easy to refute. I wonder if CA sickens the SA's with her willingness to lie for her granddaughters murderer? I'm sure they have sympathy and wanted to go easy on her but this is just a little too much in their face.

How does CA think she can get away with her convoluted lies involving her work hours? I understand the nature of the excuses she was trying to lay out there, essentially saying Company policy was to adjust daily work times reported to avoid Federally mandated overtime pay. Aside from that being against the law, I get it. It's not a terribly complicated scam to follow.

BUT (LOL, always one of those with this outfit, eh?)

According to company records in the possession of LE, EVERY week surrounding the time of the computer searches (3/17) had overtime! Not just once or twice, but E V E R Y week! AND, on the day in question she worked TEN hours from 8:00 am to 6:00 pm!

I don't think I've ever seen a more clear cut case of perjury so easy to prove that a first year law student could nail her on it.

The State's rebuttal is going to be interesting to watch.

 

[logicalgirl]

I just listened to this whole interview and I still don't hear his opinion as to why court was cancelled so I must be as dumb as a box of rocks

No me either - I thought he was pretty darned non-committal about the whole thing.

 

[logicalgirl]

Not directed at anyone in particular here. The only confirmed single piece of evidence that exists from a story told by an Anthony is the copy of the police report when GA reported the gas cans missing. If I am wrong, someone please correct me with a wet noodle smack.

All the other stories told by any Anthony, are just that. Stories; nothing that can be confirmed and verified by LE or the FBI. Until that happens, the Anthonys are nothing but polished and skilled liars. Well, maybe not that good, but ya get my drift.

A car that smells like a dead body? A missing grand daughter?

 

[Rapunzel]

If you go back through videos of the past week, you will be able to see that CM does not have the same swagger in his walk as he had displayed when he first joined the team and as seen in much earlier videos. To me, there are multiple times when he stands up and appears to almost try to brace himself before taking a step. Watch as he walks around the table, or through the door in the video from Saturday. Someone mentioned that it looked like he stumbled or was bracing himself...... I noticed that too and thought that it appeared he was in significant pain. He has also made "mistakes" that, for someone with his experience and track record, should not be made.

There was a post (will have to go digging) that mentioned he possibly had prostate cancer. I lost my father to Prostate Cancer and 2 out of my Dad's three brothers were also diagnosed with this horrible disease. IF the statement is true about him having PC (since it hasn't been confirmed or denied), then it would make sense that he may be too ill, or too medicated to continue. His mind is not as sharp (evident by the mistakes he's made, having to go to JB for assistance), his speech is garbled, the volume is softer and he walks like he is in pain IMO.

Maybe JB"s latest faux pas was the last straw for CM and he took it upon himself to set the record straight with HHJP about JB and all his antics so that he could take over and finish this trial ASAP, keep his record and reputation intact and possibly before his health deteriorates.

Maybe he just has a sore back.... who knows.

Yes, even if it was a health issue, it would still be a legal issue for ICA to let him go....could be!

 

[housemouse]

:banghead:

Help! I can't find it!

I found it here, by accident.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/interviews/dcasey010709.pdf