2011.08.05 Hearing on Casey's probation

[rotterdam]

I believe it was the State, not the Defense that levied the charges against Caseyu Anthony, forcing her to go to trial and spend the thousands and thousands of taxpayer dollars to prove her "not guiltyness". As it has been pointed out ad infinitum even if she had told the State the accidental drowning story on the day she was arrested and charged, State wasn't just going to say: "oh, she drowned. You might as well go home now, we'll drop all charges. Our bad."

As a Florida resident and taxpayer, I find the State accountable for all costs incurred. They rushed the case to court, did not look at the entire range of charges they could have and should have made, and made mistake after mistake in the process.

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Hindsight is 20/20. Besides she was found guilty on the lying charges.
That said, I will always wonder if the outcome would have been different without DP on the table. May be they were hoping for a plea deal because of DP. But DT wanted a highly publicized trial, due to future payoffs.

I do not think anything will be changed. No recalculation, no probation, zilch.
If admin probation, that is just a joke. MiraclesHappen made the astute observation that we all are on admin probation(for free) until we break the law. The only difference for a convict , is that they pay a one time fee of 50 bucks for admin probation. It is not intrusive at all unless you break the law, same as the rest of us, and then you have to face the music.

 

[LambChop]

KC was given the opportunity to talk with SA through her DP attorney at the time TL. SA was willing to give KC limited immunity if she were to take them to Caylee and this was prior to finding the body. KC turned it down....and in fact after JB going before the public and suggesting this be done KC never really turned it down...she just never replied back to SA. So after TL wrote his letter to get the ball rolling nothing was ever done by defense. I believe this is when she may have told JB about the duct tape. Prior to that KC obviously told her team Caylee drowned. This is why when RK found the body he became defense's number one suspect (scapegoat) who placed the body there to cover KC's 31 days of ugly coping.

KC had many chances to tell the truth and refused. When did JB know? He had to have known back when TL first wrote that letter which was October maybe. Remember when KC was out on bail and JB wanted some time alone with her out and about so she could do her own searching. There goes that hinky meter again.....lol jmo

 

[cuppy199]

I believe it was the State, not the Defense that levied the charges against Caseyu Anthony, forcing her to go to trial and spend the thousands and thousands of taxpayer dollars to prove her "not guiltyness". As it has been pointed out ad infinitum even if she had told the State the accidental drowning story on the day she was arrested and charged, State wasn't just going to say: "oh, she drowned. You might as well go home now, we'll drop all charges. Our bad."

As a Florida resident and taxpayer, I find the State accountable for all costs incurred. They rushed the case to court, did not look at the entire range of charges they could have and should have made, and made mistake after mistake in the process.

If Miss Anthony would have called 911 and not try to hide the body. Its not the states fault KA lied and covered up.The blame lies with Miss Anthony not the state. Thats if you believe the accident theory.

 

[rotterdam]

KC was given the opportunity to talk with SA through her DP attorney at the time TL. SA was willing to give KC limited immunity if she were to take them to Caylee and this was prior to finding the body. KC turned it down....and in fact after JB going before the public and suggesting this be done KC never really turned it down...she just never replied back to SA. So after TL wrote his letter to get the ball rolling nothing was ever done by defense. I believe this is when she may have told JB about the duct tape. Prior to that KC obviously told her team Caylee drowned. This is why when RK found the body he became defense's number one suspect (scapegoat) who placed the body there to cover KC's 31 days of ugly coping.

KC had many chances to tell the truth and refused. When did JB know? He had to have known back when TL first wrote that letter which was October maybe. Remember when KC was out on bail and JB wanted some time alone with her out and about so she could do her own searching. There goes that hinky meter again.....lol jmo

TL was off the team shortly after that. Guess he and JB had different opinions on strategies. JB was after big publicity for himself and was willing to roll the dice at the expense of his client. TL wanted the DP off the table for his client.

 

[logicalgirl]

TL was off the team shortly after that. Guess he and JB had different opinions on strategies. JB was after big publicity for himself and was willing to roll the dice at the expense of his client. TL wanted the DP off the table for his client.

Was the DP even on the table when TL wrote his letter? TL's an infantcide kind of a guy.....:waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

TL was off the team shortly after that. Guess he and JB had different opinions on strategies. JB was after big publicity for himself and was willing to roll the dice at the expense of his client. TL wanted the DP off the table for his client.

I don't think JB ever wanted a plea deal. And if JB knew, why get everyone from TES involved? That's another issue for TM...not just the initial search but for what money he had to put out to protect the volunteer's names from being made public and protecting their privacy against unwarranted background checks. There was no need because JB admitted the child died on June 16th. Wasn't that a deliberate waste of taxpayer's money based on a whim and the facts as they state they had known? How much money did it cost TES to keep those records safe? jmo

 

[logicalgirl]

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Hindsight is 20/20. Besides she was found guilty on the lying charges.
That said, I will always wonder if the outcome would have been different without DP on the table. May be they were hoping for a plea deal because of DP. But DT wanted a highly publicized trial, due to future payoffs.

I do not think anything will be changed. No recalculation, no probation, zilch.
If admin probation, that is just a joke. MiraclesHappen made the astute observation that we all are on admin probation(for free) until we break the law. The only difference for a convict , is that they pay a one time fee of 50 bucks for admin probation. It is not intrusive at all unless you break the law, same as the rest of us, and then you have to face the music.

AGAIN - :banghead::banghead::banghead:. the penalty for the most severe charge out of a choice of three charges was Death OR LWOP...

 

[logicalgirl]

I don't think JB ever wanted a plea deal. And if JB knew, why get everyone from TES involved? That's another issue for TM...not just the initial search but for what money he had to put out to protect the volunteer's names from being made public and protecting their privacy against unwarranted background checks. There was no need because JB admitted the child died on June 16th. Wasn't that a deliberate waste of taxpayer's money based on a whim and the facts as they state they had known? How much money did it cost TES to keep those records safe? jmo

That fact - JB saying he has known Caylee drowned on Day One, shocks me as much as the NG verdict. Looking back at all the lies he told in front of the media over and over again ...but then I wonder what makes me believe him when he says that? I think I don't......I think FKC told him when the little body was found....

 

[LambChop]

Was the DP even on the table when TL wrote his letter? TL's an infantcide kind of a guy.....:waitasec:

Yes. I believe SA took it off the table early December, maybe the 5th and Caylee was found on the 11th. TL was gone shortly after his letter became public. JB said SA leaked the letter but I never believed that because they wanted to know where Caylee was. SA would not have chanced leaking it to anyone. Only one who would have benefitted was KC in the long run. jmo

 

[cuppy199]

AGAIN - :banghead::banghead::banghead:. the penalty for the most severe charge out of a choice of three charges was Death OR LWOP...

I still say that no one would be making that argument if KA was a male. JMO

 

[cuppy199]

That fact - JB saying he has known Caylee drowned on Day One, shocks me as much as the NG verdict. Looking back at all the lies he told in front of the media over and over again ...but then I wonder what makes me believe him when he says that? I think I don't......I think FKC told him when the little body was found....

I dont know I kinda think KA never told him anything until the DT last plan for their defense fell threw. JMO

 

[lauriej]

I believe it was the State, not the Defense that levied the charges against Caseyu Anthony, forcing her to go to trial and spend the thousands and thousands of taxpayer dollars to prove her "not guiltyness". As it has been pointed out ad infinitum even if she had told the State the accidental drowning story on the day she was arrested and charged, State wasn't just going to say: "oh, she drowned. You might as well go home now, we'll drop all charges. Our bad."

As a Florida resident and taxpayer, I find the State accountable for all costs incurred. They rushed the case to court, did not look at the entire range of charges they could have and should have made, and made mistake after mistake in the process.

..melich arrested/charged her with obstruction and child neglect her b/c she wouldn't tell the truth, even a month after the (alleged) drowning accident, even when she was given ample opputunity TO come clean @ universal.

..the state didn't "force her to go to trial"-----in fact LDB offered kc/baez 'limited immunity' aug.'08----extending it into sept.'08 to resolve the issue without going to trial--------kc/baez passed.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0829/17335521.pdf
--LDB emails to baez---

..the fact that SHE didn't give up the drowning (fairytale) until may'11 is on HER-----the defense dragged this out for 3 years, "forcing" LE/SAO to incur costs far greater than they would have if SHE would have simply spoken up.

..no, they wouldn't have said "my bad" you can go-----but it would have drastically altered the course--and length-- of the investigation/prosecution.

..once they did take it to a Grand Jury and she was indicted--a trial date of jan.'09 was set. (again, at this time she could have told the accident story--didn't.)

..the state was ready to go to trial numerous times-------it was the defense that kept passing on trial dates, continuance after continuance while they racked up thousands of their own $$'s (ABC) and then the taxpayer $$$'s.''

..as for the 'range of charges' they could have/should have made, this is the list of what they gave to the jury:

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/04/jury-instructions-in-the-casey-anthony-trial/
--jury instructions---casey anthony trial--

MURDER – FIRST DEGREE
§ 782.04(1)(a), Fla. Stat.

FELONY MURDER – FIRST DEGREE
§ 782.04(1)(a), Fla. Stat.

AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE
§ 827.03(2), Fla. Stat.

AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD
§ 782.07, Fla. Stat.

FALSE INFORMATION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT
§ 837.055,Fla.Stat.

WHEN THERE ARE LESSER INCLUDED CRIMES

In considering the evidence, you should consider the possibility that although the evidence may not convince you that the defendant committed the main crimes of which she is accused, there may be evidence that she committed other acts that would constitute a lesser included crime.

MURDER – SECOND DEGREE
§ 782.04(2), Fla. Stat.

MANSLAUGHTER
§ 782.07, Fla. Stat.

FELONY MURDER – THIRD DEGREE
§ 782.04(4), Fla. Stat.

ATTEMPT TO COMMIT CRIME
§ 777.04(1), Fla. Stat.

CHILD ABUSE
§ 827.03(1), Fla. Stat.

 

[LambChop]

That fact - JB saying he has known Caylee drowned on Day One, shocks me as much as the NG verdict. Looking back at all the lies he told in front of the media over and over again ...but then I wonder what makes me believe him when he says that? I think I don't......I think FKC told him when the little body was found....

Well, he did say she was "innocent" as in not having anything to do with it. Then he said when we finally hear we will say, "Now I understand". Also there was that little slip. After KC was charged and out on bail there was talk with SA of getting DP dropped and SA agreed they would probably have to take it off the table. During this time when JB knew SA planned on dropping the DP he brokered a deal for pictures with ABC. When asked about this amount of money by HHSS during the indigency hearing, JB said she needed that money to defend herself against the death penalty. So how did he know at the time the DP would be put back on the table when SA agreed to take it off.

I bet if we went back and went over everything we would be shocked to see how many slips JB actually made. jmo

 

[JBean]

Pretty sure this thread is about her probation and the probation hearing.

Post lands at random

 

[lauriej]

I don't think that JP can reverse any part of his sentence. The only potential correction lies with Judge Strickland's probation order, which Judge Perry now has to rule on.

..he wouldn't be changing his sentence at all--that would stand.

..1 year per count, to be served consecutively, plus $1000 per count plus court costs.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/28478118/detail.html
---------Judge Perry sentence---casey anthony---

Case Fine--$4000.00 CCA--$200.00 Court Costs---$5.00 CCF--$50.00 LGCJTF--$225.00
TEENCT--$3.00 CRMESTPPR--$20.00 CRIMEPREVNTN--$50.00 CRIMINAL ORDINANCE FEE--$65.00
TOTAL---$4618.00

---Failure to pay financial obligations will result in the suspension of your driving privileges.

..what is at issue is the 'time served' she was credited--and whether or not that was a miscalculation by the OCJail , i don't see why if that was simple 'human error' that it couldn't be amended now.

 

[Just K]

One would think Baez and his merry band (Mason, etc) would want her to serve her probation in Florida. It is to be expected that she would reoffend and they can pick up where they left off -- receive hundreds of thousands from the Florida taxpayers for their defense of her.

No, see now that she is done with the Murder/DP case she can only use them if she or someone else pays for them. She is claiming indigent on her appeals and HHJP already told Baez and team that they may not continue to represent her. She, just like any other indigent can now either represent herself or have a court appointed attorney. The only way she can have a high priced "legal eagle" is if she hires and pays for that person.

 

[Just K]

Sure, they knew her probation officer visited her once but how were they to know that meant she was serving it in jail? Now if her PO visited once a month I could agree that they "had to know" but they may have just assumes her PO came to meet with her once to explain the terms of her probation ONCE SHE WAS RELEASED. They had no way of knowing she was checking the jail database every month and ticking it off their list.

That may be true but once JB got that letter in either Feb or March of 2011, releasing her from DOC supervision, he knew. That was many months before the trial ended and her sentence, with time served including the year supposedly spent on probation, was announced by HHJP.

She & her DT knew.

 

[Just K]

I believe it was the State, not the Defense that levied the charges against Caseyu Anthony, forcing her to go to trial and spend the thousands and thousands of taxpayer dollars to prove her "not guiltyness". As it has been pointed out ad infinitum even if she had told the State the accidental drowning story on the day she was arrested and charged, State wasn't just going to say: "oh, she drowned. You might as well go home now, we'll drop all charges. Our bad."

As a Florida resident and taxpayer, I find the State accountable for all costs incurred. They rushed the case to court, did not look at the entire range of charges they could have and should have made, and made mistake after mistake in the process.

The Convicted Felon had a right to a speedy trial. She and her DT chose not to take that right and to let this drag on for nearly THREE YEARS!

 

[yolorado]

I don't think JB ever wanted a plea deal. And if JB knew, why get everyone from TES involved? That's another issue for TM...not just the initial search but for what money he had to put out to protect the volunteer's names from being made public and protecting their privacy against unwarranted background checks. There was no need because JB admitted the child died on June 16th. Wasn't that a deliberate waste of taxpayer's money based on a whim and the facts as they state they had known? How much money did it cost TES to keep those records safe? jmo

Baez also allowed Leonard Padilla to put money out to bail out KC under the premise that her child had been kidnapped and, if she got out, she'd help find her alive. Neat trick if Baez believed her to have drowned in a pool. Why not go after GA right them if Baez thought he was involved? Why not make a deal to have KC tell THAT story (which I will always believe is a bold-faced lie) and testify against her father if Baez believed he was the major cause of all this? I think Baez decided to go with a KC lie that she may not have made up until close to trial. Remember when KC was out on bail and going to his office every day, one day she stood out in front with him--wiping those invisible tears and he implied that KC was a victim? I though he was inferring as the mother of a kidnapped child. Anybody remember exactly what he said? If he knew at the time of some accident, isn't he guilty of some sort of malfeasance for allowing people to act and behave on the presumption that it wasn't? If what he said at opening was true (not that I believe it was) and he knew it at the time, isn't the worst kind of sleaze to have let this go to trial? Why is this allowed in our system?

PS, It seemed to me that Baez WAS considering a plea for the body. Wasn't there some rumor about an offer of 10 years? He would have had to find it first, though, or make sure he could because the police will deal for a body, without it...not so much, and if he indicated he would but couldn't, he have exposed his client. Always wondered if the PIs stomping around in the swamp (not all that close to where the body actually was) were doing so based on information which came initially from KC et al.

 

[kelian36]

Is there a chance the presiding judge will say -she served 3 years for yadayadayada so she is done with the parole issue
?
I have a feeling the parole hearing will be about a 3 minutes hearing to tie up loose ends. BUT I hope it's a long drawn out procedure that will make the DT and FCA miserable.