2011.08.05 Hearing on Casey's probation

[rotterdam]

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What dog does Richard Hornsby have in this race anyhow? He is a criminal defense attorney, and from my point of view, his constant blogging about Casey Anthony is nothing more that his personal attempt to garner publicity, and proffit off little Caylee Anthony's death. For some one who has "Rest assured "I practice exclusively criminal law." on their site, they seem to be on the Prosecutions side.

Now,now , he is a WS member, one of our own and he just gives his opinion from time to time which I do appreciate. Besides , he is famous enough already in Orlando and takes time to maintain an interesting blog more like a community service. Why would you want to pick on him.
You do not have to agree with him though.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Ok forget putting her on probation, forget the miscalculated time served.

Bring her back into court. Ask her questions regarding her 'in jail probation' and then lock her up for perjury, because she is incapable of telling the truth.

:great:

:great: BBM:

:floorlaugh: Oh ... I wish Judge P would have "ordered" the DT that HE wanted to question CFCA about her so-called "probation" -- in HIS courtroom !

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Now that would have really made JB "furious" ... he is so busy trying to get the MSM to "PAY" $$$$$ for photos and interviews of CFCA since her release ... and her "FIRST" appearance would have been right back in Judge's courtroom ...

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Oh ... we can only "dream" about these things ...

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[krkrjx]

Does anyone think the DT might do an about-face soon? By now they must realize that a win on the probation issue (that it was successfully served in jail) might put their client back in jail to finish her sentence on the lying convictions.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

 

[RR0004]

<mod snip>

What dog does Richard Hornsby have in this race anyhow? He is a criminal defense attorney, and from my point of view, his constant blogging about Casey Anthony is nothing more that his personal attempt to garner publicity, and proffit off little Caylee Anthony's death. For some one who has "Rest assured "I practice exclusively criminal law." on their site, they seem to be on the Prosecutions side.

Because he knows the law and cares to discuss it? I guess as a respected and knowledgeable attorney it bothers him if the law isn't interpreted right. I know I haven't always agreed with statements he's made...but he is a fellow member and I appreciate the time and effort he's put forth to keep us informed.

 

[krkrjx]

con·cur·rent: occurring or existing simultaneously or side by side

I do see how the lying to LE sentences could have been ordered to run concurrent to the fraud sentences, given the above definition of the word.

 

[rotterdam]

con·cur·rent: occurring or existing simultaneously or side by side

I do see how the lying to LE sentences could have been ordered to run concurrent to the fraud sentences, given the above definition of the word.

I do not and neither do our lawyers on the lawyer's thread. I ask on the lawyers thread if the Presiding judge can elect concurrent or consecutive
based on just a whim, like a bad hair vs a good hair day. Because I was baffled. Something is still very hinky and rather unusual here.
But then, it might never get addressed/explained. Wish the media would ask , now retired Jeff Ashton.

 

[FLmom777]

THAT is EXACTLY what i think he will do.............the DT kept stressing she did her probation.........she did her probation..............and JP even said YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TO.

Accordingly, her arse will be back in jail for the remainder of time that needs to be served for her lying convictions.

Of course, this was my most recent dream re this case.............lol

In addition, NOW they should adjudicate the remaining charges and tack on that time too! In GENERAL POPULATION OF COURSE!!!. :crazy:

If she is sent back to complete her time for lying to LE, I would hope it would be gen pop. I am now wondering if it would be Orange County jail or prison, since it would be a year.

:waitasec:

 

[rotterdam]

Actually I have my own speculation on what happened to that calculation.
I think some wheeling and dealing was done behind doors with the judge, DT and PT.
They had KC with that NG verdict on their hands and wanted her out of Orlando. She had caused enough disruption already.
I always found it very unusual that she received the max on those 4 misdemeanors. Made it look like revenge for the NG murder verdict. Yet, the DT did not make any noise about that and agreed to it.. If she would have gotten less than max, probation should kick in and none of the parties wanted that either, considering it would be another three ring circus again in Orlando . Her address would be known etc., way too many complications. But giving her the unfair? max would leave her in jail/prison after the NG. for at least another year.
That the DT did not want either, she was hot seasonal merchandise.
By giving her a nice chunk of time served, 1043 days, everybody was happy and problem was solved .
Deals like that are probably made all the time and are really not that unusual.
JMO of course.

I just can not believe that the 1043 days was made in error by the Court. We are dealing with mainly highly intelligent people.

 

[lauriej]

he can still fix this. He can demand a recalculation of the time served and put casey back in jail for those 412 days that she received credit for in error. But will he do it? I am doubtful. I think he is concerned now with doing anything that looks like he wants to punish casey. Imo, and all that.

+respectfully snipped+
i believe you are correct. Hhjp is an honorable and just man. Whilst we hear that he has rightly brought down the "full force" on felons in the past, it is hard to imagine that his intention will be to do anything vindictive here.

..i'm not hoping for anything "vindictive"----only that, especially in light of the probation "mess" ( legal morass ) that he have the OCJail go back------double check their numbers for kc's release date, so that ( if there WAS an error ) it can be corrected NOW.

..if she should do more time------then do it, and if not----then not.

..the # of days has come up-----b/c the probation has come up , and along with it, the check case sentencing.

..the 'time served' for the check case has become a huge deal ----did the OCJail ALSO count up those days as part of her time served for the "kc you're a liar" sentence?

..it IS a problem, and it should be clarified--now rather than later.

 

[lauriej]

Actually I have my own speculation on what happened to that calculation.
I think some wheeling and dealing was done behind doors with the judge, DT and PT.
They had KC with that NG verdict on their hands and wanted her out of Orlando. She had caused enough disruption already.

I always found it very unusual that she received the max on those 4 misdemeanors. Made it look like revenge for the NG murder verdict. Yet, the DT did not make any noise about that and agreed to it.. If she would have gotten less than max, probation should kick in and none of the parties wanted that either, considering it would be another three ring circus again in Orlando . Her address would be known etc., way too many complications. But giving her the unfair? max would leave her in jail/prison after the NG. for at least another year.
That the DT did not want either, she was hot seasonal merchandise.
By giving her a nice chunk of time served, 1043 days, everybody was happy and problem was solved .
Deals like that are probably made all the time and are really not that unusual.
JMO of course.

I just can not believe that the 1043 days was made in error by the Court. We are dealing with mainly highly intelligent people.

..yes---we are dealing with highly intelligent people ( as far as the SAO and the judge are concerned anyway ) i won't get into what i think of ANY member of the DT.

..i seriously doubt there was "wheeling and dealing" going on behind the back of the OCC , the entity responsible for calculating the release date.

..i didn't find it odd that she rec'd a year for each lying charge--( she IS a big fat liar---or as baez would say, a lying sl*t ..)-OR that the DT "didn't make any noise about it".

( are you kidding??? they were high 5'ing one another and downing champagne b/c that's ALL she got! )

( yay US!! we are the champions! -----when of course we know, they did not "win"-----the state "lost" , thanks to a jury that evidently couldn't find their way out of a paper bag and really wished that they had been given other charges to consider...:banghead

"by giving her 1043 days time served, everybody was happy"------i DOUBT the state was "happy"--why would they want her out of Orlando (if she really should have served more time and remained in jail? ) just b/c she "had caused enough of a disruption already? i'm not seeing the logic there.

..deals ARE made all the time, between the prosecution/defense----i can't see a "deal" being made when it involves adding up a release date, made by the OCC..

..i CAN see an error being made as they rushed to calculate the release date----factoring in the 412 days for the check case AGAIN (! ? )----i would only hope that the calculation be done again, to ensure that it IS infact correct.

 

[Whisperer]

HHJP did say the four convictions were to run consecutively. what is crazy is he gave her time served for check fraud and her probation to all run concurrently. He should have defined it better. So for her three years she accumulated 6 charges of check fraud, 4 charges of lying to LE, probation and cushy protective custody. Ten convictions and she is not serving probation on any of them. Pretty clever. HHJP is the one that didn't check when he sentenced her...and of course the DT knew all about the scheme. They pulled the wool of his eyes througout the trial.

I don't want to hear any more. It the system can't figure it out and are more concerned about her safety than the law, so be it. She is a miserable human being who have miserable parents and miserable attorneys. May they all have the miserable life they deserve. She is not capable of living on her own; so whoever is going to reside with her, you deserve whatever befalls you.

 

[Schu7]

I'm curious why you believe the whole FL court system wants Casey to go away. The SAO has requested Casey reimburse them,with a hearing on that motion coming up.

I think the media spotlight has been a key element in many ugly things in the process of this case from day one. The LE made many key early blunders. And that negative media spotlight effect carried on into the courts. Judges, clerks, lawyers, you name it, have made mistakes I am sure they would not normally make. Just getting the media away from Florida would been a great benefit to all elected and nonelected officials here. That money Casey owes? I doubt she will have to pay any of that money as long as she stays away from Florida. The same with the civil suits. It is all a State matter. And a strongly doubt the State of Florida will ever go chasing after Casey to bring her back. Once she is gone and the media is gone, they can go back to doing normal business in Florida. And oh how they want that.IMO

 

[Baznme]

I think the media spotlight has been a key element in many ugly things in the process of this case from day one. The LE made many key early blunders. And that negative media spotlight effect carried on into the courts. Judges, clerks, lawyers, you name it, have made mistakes I am sure they would not normally make. Just getting the media away from Florida would been a great benefit to all elected and nonelected officials here. That money Casey owes? I doubt she will have to pay any of that money as long as she stays away from Florida. The same with the civil suits. It is all a State matter. And a strongly doubt the State of Florida will ever go chasing after Casey to bring her back. Once she is gone and the media is gone, they can go back to doing normal business in Florida. And oh how they want that.IMO

With the criminal record KC has with the State of Florida, not much doubt in my mind, she will want to stay away as much as possible but,.......it doesn't leave her any less responsible for the astronomical cost(s) she has incurred to the Florida taxpayers (already in a budget crunch and cutting costs everywhere) or to organizations like TES. If she's going to make the money after declaring indigency, she can pay her bills, just like the rest of us and doesn't have to ever step foot in Florida again.

 

[NSS]

I am aware that the State must be careful not to appear vindictive here, although I wonder why. The legal system is extremely punitive (disguised as correctional). Nothing is more vindictive than the death penalty is it? So I suggest they forget how vindictive they appear and darn well get something right.

I got to think about my desire to punish FCA for something (anything) and justified it to my balanced (Libran) self by taking a look at the opposite.

What if the error in calculating time served or probation had not been in FCA's favor? If she was being expected to serve one minute more than was required, I think it's a safe bet that the DT would have been crying into their coffee and banging on HHJBPs door.

So I should EXPECT the SA to defend justice, as forcefully as the DT defends their client.


*Full Disclosure* My family have been on the receiving end of the system unable to act because of the offenders rights. His 15 year sentence for that will end in 2014

 

[logicalgirl]

The thought that the SA is being vindictive is just making me roar with laughter. Let me see now - was it 13 felony cheque fraud charges she pled guilty to, and was found guilty on seven, the rest adjudicated, with one year of probation and four counts of lying to the LE - sentenced to one year each to run concurrently, and she was actually in jail for three years.

For a total of 11 guilty sentences, she spent a total of three years in jail and did not serve any probation. Without giving any consideration as to her guilt or innocence on the capital murder charges, what on earth could be considered vindictive about a mere three years? Seriously???????

Let's ask the general pop in the closest jail whether or not that time served is vindictive, shall we?

 

[LambChop]

The thought that the SA is being vindictive is just making me roar with laughter. Let me see now - was it 13 felony cheque fraud charges she pled guilty to, and was found guilty on seven, the rest adjudicated, with one year of probation and four counts of lying to the LE - sentenced to one year each to run concurrently, and she was actually in jail for three years.

For a total of 11 guilty sentences, she spent a total of three years in jail and did not serve any probation. Without giving any consideration as to her guilt or innocence on the capital murder charges, what on earth could be considered vindictive about a mere three years? Seriously???????

Let's ask the general pop in the closest jail whether or not that time served is vindictive, shall we?

Or, make it easy. Ask those prisoner who had to wait to be released the day KC was released and see how they feel about it. lol

 

[logicalgirl]

Hmm - Can FKC be declared an indigent by the State of Florida if she is not a resident of the State of Florida? How does that make sense?

 

[kimmera]

Hmm - Can FKC be declared an indigent by the State of Florida if she is not a resident of the State of Florida? How does that make sense?

Not only that, but how can she be indigent if she just received money (probably at least 6 figures, IMO) for the photos that were released last week? If JB and crew have things set up offshore or some other way to funnel money to her surreptitiously, couldn't he be in big trouble if that was to be discovered? I don't understand ANY of this! I've never seen a more unethical group of people in my life! :maddening: JMO.

 

[What'sThatClue]

Not only that, but how can she be indigent if she just received money (probably at least 6 figures, IMO) for the photos that were released last week? If JB and crew have things set up offshore or some other way to funnel money to her surreptitiously, couldn't he be in big trouble if that was to be discovered? I don't understand ANY of this! I've never seen a more unethical group of people in my life! :maddening: JMO.

And...not only that...but what about the "thousands" that CM declared she received from supporters right after the NG verdict?

 

[JSV]

But wasn't she still under the supervision of the Department of Corrections? So this letter makes no sense. jmo

I agree . There is a lot in this case that doesen't make sense ,