2015.06.28 Timestamp Indicated per Probable Cause Doc

[Arachne 1]

In their original vacation plans, I believe it was TS's sister who said they'd been making plans since March and that included renting a house. However, on the office website it said vacation was in the last week of July every year and we know that they went up to Connecticut in late June for a family member's unexpected funeral. So I don't think we know for sure if they stayed in a rented house while there or not.

Thank you. I remember that the unexpected funeral happened while they were up there. I wonder what made them change their original plans, and why they didn't update vacation info on website or office? Maybe they updated patients through e-mail?

 

[Arachne 1]

According to Duntulum:

* The family vacation was planned WELL in advance -- schedules to coordinate, a house to rent in the country, airplane tickets to book. The death of the step-brother was unexpected and therefore, not part of the original plans.

xoxoxoxo!

 

[DexterMorgan]

Why did ms test the alarm after her death? Let me guess. He said hmmm that's strange; I wonder why the alarm didn't work. Hmmmm. Oh. Okay. It works now.

Yeah right.

 

[msboo]

Unverified Family members was mentioned here.... JUST HOW MANY are there? Was looking at Duntulum's 8/31 post within another post... has she/he ever been verified? That 8/31 post was a TimeLine & Duntulum seemed very believable vs my gut feeling with Skinner... JMO.

TS's 'safe arrival' phone call to Mark still bothers me BUT then it's been said she prayed bedtime prayers (mentioned during funeral service) with the kids during that call. STILL that call bothers me. JMO as it will all surface in due time.

 

[IM4TRUTH]

Unverified Family members was mentioned here.... JUST HOW MANY are there? Was looking at Duntulum's 8/31 post within another post... has she/he ever been verified? That 8/31 post was a TimeLine & Duntulum seemed very believable vs my gut feeling with Skinner... JMO.

TS's 'safe arrival' phone call to Mark still bothers me BUT then it's been said she prayed bedtime prayers (mentioned during funeral service) with the kids during that call. STILL that call bothers me. JMO as it will all surface in due time.

Why does the safe arrival phone call bother you? Our family always does that. Even when I drove from one coast of FL to the other, I always let my daughter know I arrived safely.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Why does the safe arrival phone call bother you? Our family always does that. Even when I drove from one coast of FL to the other, I always let my daughter know I arrived safely.

I'm not speaking for ms boo but it has always bothered me because of this: her phone call to say she has landed safely or all is well **couldve been the signal** to be sent then from MS to the perpetrators to begin their evil plan! Therefore she is inadvertently setting the wheels in motion without her knowledge, of course. And this would have to include MS because he would have to alert the perps after her wellness call.

Moo

 

[creepingskills]

Why did ms test the alarm after her death? Let me guess. He said hmmm that's strange; I wonder why the alarm didn't work. Hmmmm. Oh. Okay. It works now.

Yeah right.

I think its because MS knew that the alarm failed for a reason, human error. According to MS, his mother turned off the alarm.:thinking:

 

[SeesSeas]

I think its because MS knew that the alarm failed for a reason, human error. According to MS, his mother turned off the alarm.:thinking:

Re: According to MS, his mother turned off the alarm.

Per NBC-2 reporting, Kitty Lifka relayed communication that her son Todd had with MS:

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/30013123...w-light-on-homes-security-system#.ViQ3iH6rSM8
Kitty Lifka, 85, of St. Louis says she's known Mark Sievers for more than two decades. She described him as good friends with one of her sons. . .
She described a conversation her son had with Mark Sievers via email about Teresa's death.
"I know Todd said to Mark, 'For God sakes Mark, did you not have a security system?'" said Lifka.
Lifka says Mark Sievers expressed concern that his mother, who was checking on the home while the Sievers family vacationed in Connecticut, had somehow disarmed the system.
"He said to Todd, 'I am so concerned that maybe she didn't put that alarm back on,'" said Lifka.

 

[creepingskills]

<snipped for space>
Kitty Lifka, 85, of St. Louis says she's known Mark Sievers for more than two decades. She described him as good friends with one of her sons. . .
She described a conversation her son had with Mark Sievers via email about Teresa's death.
"I know Todd said to Mark, 'For God sakes Mark, did you not have a security system?'" said Lifka.
Lifka says Mark Sievers expressed concern that his mother, who was checking on the home while the Sievers family vacationed in Connecticut, had somehow disarmed the system.
"He said to Todd, 'I am so concerned that maybe she didn't put that alarm back on,'" said Lifka.

And according to Duntulum.

NIN:

Yes, it would be good, if Duntulum could clarify when the alarm was off.

-Nin

Duntulum's reply here, http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?289133-FL-Dr-Teresa-Sievers-46-murdered-in-home-Bonita-Springs-June-2015-*ARRESTS*-7/page38&p=12037011#post12037011

I don't know the specific time, but I believe it was on Sat afternoon/evening. (I suppose it could have been Sunday morning. After the alarm was first discussed I did not ask for a more specific time frame -- too sad to bring up. Certainly, before Teresa came home.) It was not intentionally disarmed, though I imagine a sly prosecutor could spin that any way they would want. (Also, it was not disarmed remotely by anyone, shut down/disarmed by either of the men arrested, nor was it disarmed prior to their vacation. An aside, and as clarification -- stating that neither men arrested disarmed the alarm does not mean that I have knowledge of both men being at the house. It literally means that neither men actually shut off the alarm.) By the same token, the alarm being disarmed could be used as a defense if need be, since it really was unintentional.

I truly believe there was nothing nefarious about the alarm. Unfortunate and tragic, yes.

 

[Batman's Mommy]

And according to Duntulum.

NIN:


Duntulum's reply here, http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?289133-FL-Dr-Teresa-Sievers-46-murdered-in-home-Bonita-Springs-June-2015-*ARRESTS*-7/page38&p=12037011#post12037011

I wonder if that alarm system could be monitored remotely? I have a friend who can access his on his watch if he wants to. There are just so many unsettling questions in my mind regarding this. Like, if the mom was told flippantly that if the alarm wasn't armed that it would be ok because someone would be home that day. It also makes me wonder if the side door from the garage was only locked through the doorknob because it would be easier to let the dogs out through the garage into the back yard instead of them being around the pool area... :gaah: Just so much in this horrible murder!

 

[creepingskills]

I wonder if that alarm system could be monitored remotely? I have a friend who can access his on his watch if he wants to. There are just so many unsettling questions in my mind regarding this. Like, if the mom was told flippantly that if the alarm wasn't armed that it would be ok because someone would be home that day. It also makes me wonder if the side door from the garage was only locked through the doorknob because it would be easier to let the dogs out through the garage into the back yard instead of them being around the pool area... :gaah: Just so much in this horrible murder!

BBM. Great point. Wouldn't surprise me if MS's mom was somehow directed to leave the alarm off.

And I definitely think the side garage door was only locked through the handle, IMO because the person locking it didn't have a key.

 

[msboo]

Why does the safe arrival phone call bother you? Our family always does that. Even when I drove from one coast of FL to the other, I always let my daughter know I arrived safely.

IM4TRUTH..... you took my post the wrong way---I'm a firm believer in calling on arrival when any of our family members travel by plane or car. In the beginning I wondered if that call was even actually made to MS at all---like if he faked receiving it OR someone else made the call that she had arrived or was there. Lots went thru my mind over that. ATasteOfHoney hit on some of my concerns.

The time of 23:19 (11:19pm), referring to as the time the crime began.... how they came up with that puzzles me. Why not 23:15, 23:20 or even 23:30? If LE really knows the exact time she may have entered the garage OR the house from the garage even though the alarm was not turned on it's possible the system maybe(?) has record of every time any wired door or window is opened (for entry or exit). Security systems we had installed in our spec & custom homes had a control base usually mounted in basements, utility closets OR garage if no basement---programmed from a computer. Control panels, where you arm or disarm your alarm, would be by the door leading to the garage AND the 2nd (if installed) would be in the Master Bedroom. With the alarm OFF there is still a beep when a door is opened, when a garage door goes up you have a series of beeps until the door is completely open & stopped. I don't know IF there is a digital record of entries or not, regardless of any security systems. Just food for thought.

 

[TTF14]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but today I watched an ID Discovery show and the venetian blinds were connected to the house alarm, which I'm pretty sure wasn't set. They were able to tell what time they were touched, peaked through.

It was a case of a man framing his best friend for his wife's murder. Motive was money because of gambling, and also he had a mistress.

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[creepingskills]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but today I watched an ID Discovery show and the venetian blinds were connected to the house alarm, which I'm pretty sure wasn't set. They were able to tell what time they were touched, peaked through.

It was a case of a man framing his best friend for his wife's murder. Motive was money because of gambling, and also he had a mistress.

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:loveyou: This is precisely the type of common household item that might leave a timestamp if disturbed! And CWW wouldn't realize the risk of a timestamp.

 

[No it's not]

11:19pm is quite late at night, however, is it possible, that this time is based on the cell phone call Dr S supposedly made to MS (app. 11:30pm according to Skinner, we talked about it)? Is this what the pastor is referring in the homily (July 6th) for Dr Sievers? The prayer with her family on that faithful Sunday night?

[Bolded by me]

'The faith of this wonderful family is great as we can see in the way Teresa and Mark and the girls ended the day together each day, including last Sunday, with the prayer, "Lord It Is Night".'



https://judyabl.wordpress.com/2015/...nn-grace-sievers-july-6-2015-rev-dr-judy-lee/

-Nin

 

[Webjunkie]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but today I watched an ID Discovery show and the venetian blinds were connected to the house alarm, which I'm pretty sure wasn't set. They were able to tell what time they were touched, peaked through.

It was a case of a man framing his best friend for his wife's murder. Motive was money because of gambling, and also he had a mistress.

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That is simply amazing! Technology is really something nowadays!

 

[observation]

11:19pm is quite late at night, however, is it possible, that this time is based on the cell phone call Dr S supposedly made to MS (app. 11:30pm according to Skinner, we talked about it)? Is this what the pastor is referring in the homily (July 6th) for Dr Sievers? The prayer with her family on that faithful Sunday night?

[Bolded by me]

'The faith of this wonderful family is great as we can see in the way Teresa and Mark and the girls ended the day together each day, including last Sunday, with the prayer, "Lord It Is Night".'



https://judyabl.wordpress.com/2015/...nn-grace-sievers-july-6-2015-rev-dr-judy-lee/

-Nin

Good catch, as usual. It's also likely, MS lied to the priest. Maybe that is why the man was sweating... Guilty.


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[creepingskills]

11:19pm is quite late at night, however, is it possible, that this time is based on the cell phone call Dr S supposedly made to MS (app. 11:30pm according to Skinner, we talked about it)? Is this what the pastor is referring in the homily (July 6th) for Dr Sievers? The prayer with her family on that faithful Sunday night?

[Bolded by me]

'The faith of this wonderful family is great as we can see in the way Teresa and Mark and the girls ended the day together each day, including last Sunday, with the prayer, "Lord It Is Night".'



https://judyabl.wordpress.com/2015/...nn-grace-sievers-july-6-2015-rev-dr-judy-lee/

-Nin

Personally, I think 11:00 is a little late for the girls to be up and on the phone, so I'm more inclined to believe the family ended the day together when TS was at the airport on June 28 in NY. :moo:

 

[DexterMorgan]

They say she was killed at 11:19. It was said her flight just landed at 10 something. Plus she spoke to hubby.

So are we suppose to believe hubby didn't provide the killers with her expected time of arrival. Are we suppose to believe that cww went there to rob them but never talked to ms first to make sure that no one would be home.

Are we suppose to believe she just interrupted a robbery in progress even though they wore jumpsuits.

Are we suppose to believe that cww was capable at coercing jr in a weekends notice that he had a plan.

Of course not. Because this was planned by somewhat in advance. Jmo.

 

[DexterMorgan]

They say she was killed at 11:19. It was said her flight just landed at 10 something. Plus she spoke to hubby.

So are we suppose to believe hubby didn't provide the killers with her expected time of arrival. Are we suppose to believe that cww went there to rob them but never talked to ms first to make sure that no one would be home.

Are we suppose to believe she just interrupted a robbery in progress even though they wore jumpsuits.

Are we suppose to believe that ms was capable at coercing jr in a weekends notice that he had a plan.

Of course not. Because this was planned by somewhat in advance. Jmo.

Are we also suppose to believe that cww would drive that far for a simple burglary. But nothing was taken from the safes.