2015.06.29 Sequence of Details learned from the discovery documents

[Cymbaline]

So did MS call MP twice or once? When did he give him the garage code? What did MS say to MP? Can you check on my wife and just in case she doesn't answer the door here is the garage door code, go in the house and ....

 

[beach]

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[seattlechiquita]

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[Helper9693]

If you were MS ...At the most it seems like you would naturally say...She flew in last night...I talked to her around 11...she had grabbed something to eat already when I spoke to her... and she was heading home. She was supposed to be at the office at 9am...Can you please check on her...it's not like her to be late. I'll give MS..."she could have over slept but I doubt it"....Garage codes (with no alarm code..How did MS know the alarm wasn't on) and Delta seem out of place.

 

[SeesSeas]

It's certainly possible that MP learned that TS had flown Delta based on evidence at the crime scene (a boarding pass, luggage tag etc...)

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According to MP's SWORN STATEMENT with LE, MS told MP that TS flew Delta:

BATES 5288 -
JN: Okay. Do you know, um, which airline she flew?
MP: I believe he said Delta.

 

[FelicityLemon]

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In relation to the timing of MP's interview, I do agree that it's natural to have done it as soon as possible because he was the discoverer.
I have a question after reading his account and then looking at the floorplan the fabulous NIN has provided us.

1) I assume it must be possible because MP said so, but I don't understand how, when looking from the outside of the front door, the purse on the counter could be seen.

2) How did her purse get onto the counter if she was ambushed immediately inside the garage/kitchen door?

 

[beach]

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According to MP's SWORN STATEMENT with LE, MS told MP that TS flew Delta:

BATES 5288 -
JN: Okay. Do you know, um, which airline she flew?
MP: I believe he said Delta.

That makes it even weirder. Except now it's on MS's part. Why on earth did he feel it helpful to identify the airline to Dr. P? If I'm worried enough to call someone to check on my spouse the LAST thing I am going to think about is which airline she flew. He already knew she had landed and was paying her parking fees. So, Delta was totally irrelevant. The plane landed safely.


Methinks Mark Sievers was nervously running his mouth spewing a lot of random stuff. You know how sometimes folks just talk too much and disclose irrelevant stuff when they are incredibly nervous? I mean THIS - making THE call to someone to find her body - was his ONLY assignment in this conspiracy. And if he could have figured out a way to pawn that off on someone else, he probably would have.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

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According to MP's SWORN STATEMENT with LE, MS told MP that TS flew Delta:

BATES 5288 -
JN: Okay. Do you know, um, which airline she flew?
MP: I believe he said Delta.

Yes, I apologize for not being clear. I was just brainstorming reasons why LE asked MP to name the airline. Someone suggested that perhaps the detective was trying to trip MP up. So in that particular scenario, I was thinking perhaps MP didn't learn the flight detail from MS but rather from the crime scene but had said MS was the source. But MP had placed himself at the crime scene so it wouldn't matter???

At that point in the investigation LE had very little except the crime scene. They hadn't taken a statement from MS. So they didn't have anything to compare MP's statement to. It's just weird, unless the answer is simply they were establishing a timeline. Or TS didn't fly Delta or flew on an airline contracted by Delta so the facts didn't check.

Idk, maybe MS was looking up return flights for he and the girls and had settled on Delta and slipped up.

 

[irishchook]

I've been thinking about the Delta detail all day...

IMO, LE was a mere 1.5 hours into the investigation at the time of MP's interview. LE had a dead Doctor, a bloody hammer, and a husband out of town. I think at that point in the investigation LE was just collecting facts and establishing a timeline, in addition of course to processing the scene.

MP discovered TS's body just before 10 AM. MP was interviewed by LE from 11:35-11:52 AM.

LE may have determined at that point that TS had flown Delta (receipt, luggage tag, paper boarding pass/eboarding pass on phone, whatever) and were perhaps confirming this info with their witness.

It's certainly possible that MP learned that TS had flown Delta based on evidence at the crime scene (a boarding pass, luggage tag etc...) but he had already admitted to shaking her body (Bates 5106) during the 911 call and placed himself at the scene. So I don't think it's related to what MP saw/didn't see when he discovered TS.

I strongly suspect that at less than 2 hours into the investigation, LE wanted to confirm TS's itinerary so they're could retrace her steps. At that point in time LE may have suspected they had a staged crime scene but they wouldn't have known yet that MS is a that hired a hit. For all LE knew, the killer hid in TS's van or followed her home. So retrieving surveillance video would have been a priority. Since parking at the airport TS used can be dependent upon the airline one flies, this detail would be significant.

They may have suspected initially that MP was somehow involved, he did after all discover her body. So they may have wanted to determine if he knew TS's travel schedule prior to MS calling him to check on his wife. But they didn't ask MP to divulge his whereabouts for the 12 hours prior to finding TS. In the 911 call he stated that he last saw TS 2-3 weeks prior.

Interesting, I'm gonna look at the timeline.

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[irishchook]

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In relation to the timing of MP's interview, I do agree that it's natural to have done it as soon as possible because he was the discoverer.
I have a question after reading his account and then looking at the floorplan the fabulous NIN has provided us.

1) I assume it must be possible because MP said so, but I don't understand how, when looking from the outside of the front door, the purse on the counter could be seen.

2) How did her purse get onto the counter if she was ambushed immediately inside the garage/kitchen door?

Yes, the purse on the breakfast counter/island. Can someone bring up the drawings of the layout of the house, again? Thanks!
ETA: According to MP's statement, it's a bit odd that MP saw her handbag on the breakfast island through the blinds. I do think MP is a sharp individual that made sure he remembered these details.
What I also find intriguing is why TS' handbag WOULD be on the island. Her travel bags were left between the doorstep of the garage/house door. As referenced, TS put her bags in-between the two to open the door to the main house.
Allegedly, this is when she was ambushed.
So, why would her handbag be placed on that kitchen island? Was it part of the staging?

Also, MP stated that there was "crap" allover the garage floor.

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[FightTheOstrich]

So did MS call MP twice or once? When did he give him the garage code? What did MS say to MP? Can you check on my wife and just in case she doesn't answer the door here is the garage door code, go in the house and ....

MP only spoke to MS once. Bates 5108.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

Yes, the purse on the breakfast counter/island. Can someone bring up the drawings of the layout of the house, again? Thanks!
ETA: According to MP's statement, it's a bit odd that MP saw her handbag on the breakfast island through the blinds. I do think MP is a sharp individual that made sure he remembered these details.
What I also find intriguing is why TS' handbag WOULD be on the island. Her travel bags were left at the doorstep of the garage/house door. As referenced, TS put her bags in-between the two to open the door to the main house.
Allegedly, this is when she was ambushed.
So, why would her handbag be placed on that kitchen island? Was it part of the staging?

Also, MP stated that there was "crap" allover the garage floor.

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MP's statement regarding "crap" everywhere seems to correspond with the Scene Observation referenced in post 364.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...very-Documents-Batch-1/page25&highlight=Purse

My memory is shot but I think everyone felt it was strange that her wallet was mentioned but not her handbag/purse in the original docs. I can't remember the details and the discussion was deleted. But at the time I believe we wondered if she had carried a handbag or if the two hitman had "lifted" it.

Putting it all together now her wallet, receipts, etc... (the "crap" MP described) were found with the body and her handbag was on the counter. So either obvious staging or another screwup?

 

[atthelake]

Yes, the purse on the breakfast counter/island. Can someone bring up the drawings of the layout of the house, again? Thanks!
ETA: According to MP's statement, it's a bit odd that MP saw her handbag on the breakfast island through the blinds. I do think MP is a sharp individual that made sure he remembered these details.
What I also find intriguing is why TS' handbag WOULD be on the island. Her travel bags were left between the doorstep of the garage/house door. As referenced, TS put her bags in-between the two to open the door to the main house.
Allegedly, this is when she was ambushed.
So, why would her handbag be placed on that kitchen island? Was it part of the staging?

Also, MP stated that there was "crap" allover the garage floor.

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[FelicityLemon]

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[Deleted member 159541]

If I remember correctly, there is a larger closet/pantry just to the right when you walk in the door from the garage - easily large enough for someone or two hiding in wait. Monsters.

 

[LaLaw2000]

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[TruthStar]

I'm sure Teresa was probably against guns. However, I can't help thinking what if...... She had a permit to carry and actually put her handgun back in her purse or on her hip when she got in the van? What if Mark's plan backfired and ended with the death of CWW and JRR? Teresa would of called 911, LE would of been out immediately, Mark, CWW or JRR wouldn't of been able to cover anything up, resulting in LE awaiting Marks return at the airport to show him his new forever caged home.

 

[LaLaw2000]

MS giving too much inconsequential (Delta flight, etc.) information to the doctor he asked to check on TS is a huge red flag, IMO.

MS, CWW, and JR thought they were so smart. Three stooges, IMO.

 

[Frigga]

Not smart at all. Dumb actually, cruel and sadistic. I hope t isn't much longer until he is finally arrested. I hope he is tormented every minute of every day until that time and then haunted thereafter.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

That makes it even weirder. Except now it's on MS's part. Why on earth did he feel it helpful to identify the airline to Dr. P? If I'm worried enough to call someone to check on my spouse the LAST thing I am going to think about is which airline she flew. He already knew she had landed and was paying her parking fees. So, Delta was totally irrelevant. The plane landed safely.


Methinks Mark Sievers was nervously running his mouth spewing a lot of random stuff. You know how sometimes folks just talk too much and disclose irrelevant stuff when they are incredibly nervous? I mean THIS - making THE call to someone to find her body - was his ONLY assignment in this conspiracy. And if he could have figured out a way to pawn that off on someone else, he probably would have.

It may have been simple world vomit from a deceitful man. Don't liars always add irrelevant details to their stories?

I guess I see things differently because I work with doctors all day. Doctors are fact checkers and are trained to remain calm during the storm. MP is a general surgeon, in my world that equates to a certain personality type. It's possible MP tried to distract him/calm him down and the flight detail came out during the conversation. Good doctors are also good listeners so I would expect MP to remember the most inane details.

It does seem strange. Almost like MS was anticipating the questions LE would ask in a homicide investigation. Or MS was busy searching flights for his return trip and so his brain was focused on airlines vs. his wife?

I wish we knew more about how this detail was revealed. I'm sure his defense attorney will argue that MS was in a panic and just "threw up" a bunch of useless information.

I would love to know the length of their conversation and if MP ended the conversation or if it was MS? I assume it was MS. I'm dying to know everyone MS contacted that morning and in what order?