2015.06.29 Sequence of Details learned from the discovery documents

[Cymbaline]

I wonder if his first plan was to have BS go to the house so her fingerprints would be freshly planted at the murder scene. I know they had gloves and wonder if they wiped everything down....

JMO

 

[FightTheOstrich]

It's challenging because we have to guess the context and sequence of the details of their phone call, but I don't see the relevance of retracing her steps from the airport prior to the wellness check when MS had already traced her phone to the house. They both knew at that point that she made it home.

And if they were going step by step, why would MS rattle off the access codes right away? Why wouldn't he say something like 'I know her phone is at the house, but will you first check to see if her van is in the garage?' Why wouldn't he consider the possibility that she was running late and just left her phone at home...hence no answer?

And him offering "I doubt she slept in" is a red flag to me too considering she didn't get home after traveling all day until around midnight. She had the house to herself, so why wouldn't he consider the possibility that without anyone there to make noise, that she could have in fact overslept or slept in?

I don't know, I guess one could say a genuinely concerned spouse might automatically think the worst, but to me it just seems a little too presumptuous on his part given that all he supposedly knew at that time was that she wasn't answering her phone and she hadn't arrived to work by 9:30 am. And if he was truly THAT concerned, why didn't he stay on the phone with MP while he checked on her, as beach suggested.

Do we know that MP knew that TS made it home and that MS had tracked her phone? I'm not sure that MS shared that info with MP. MP doesn't mention that fact in his interview. Unless I missed it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwbHVnWVhBMkdIZlk/view

 

[FightTheOstrich]

MP's interview is quite revealing. He revealed that MS is a gun "aficionado" and that he owns "many weapons" including rifles and handguns. And that he owns at least 2 safes.
- Bates 5291

That TS was trying to get out of the lease for her office space. That TS/MS weren't exactly flush and so TS likely didn't carry a lot of cash. And that the stress from running the business had impacted the couple's relationship.

My favorite comment from MP is "But I don't know for sure. I mean that's what he told me." - Bates 5293

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwbHVnWVhBMkdIZlk/view

 

[howonkee]

If you were MS ...At the most it seems like you would naturally say...She flew in last night...I talked to her around 11...she had grabbed something to eat already when I spoke to her... and she was heading home. She was supposed to be at the office at 9am...Can you please check on her...it's not like her to be late. I'll give MS..."she could have over slept but I doubt it"....Garage codes (with no alarm code..How did MS know the alarm wasn't on) and Delta seem out of place.

I totally agree with you that garage code and Delta was TMI in that scenario. Why would he even say what airlines she flew on? It's irrelevant in that context, IMO.

 

[DexterMorgan]

So how long did MS wait to call back MP after forcing him to discover the body?

Why hang up on MP in the first place?

Did he feel that he needed to practice the distraught sadness and disbelief prior to actually being told or what.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

I totally agree with you that garage code and Delta was TMI in that scenario. Why would he even say what airlines she flew on? It's irrelevant in that context, IMO.

Nervous people talk too much?

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[FightTheOstrich]

Nervous people talk too much?

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That or MS couldn't keep his story straight. Which is good news if true. If he couldn't keep it together for the first phone call he's screwed. It doesn't sound like he told MP that he had tracked TS's phone back to the house. So MP may have been collecting what he thought was relevant info and MS omitted the fact that he tracked TS back to the house. Whereas MP was working under the assumption that TS's last known whereabouts was when she paid her parking fee at the airport.

 

[Helper9693]

Nervous people talk too much?

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Truth is shorter than fiction. ~ Irving Cohen

 

[irishchook]

Here ya go.... from crime scene thread. :seeya:

View attachment 86627

According to MP's statement, before he got the garage code from MS, he saw her purse on the counter (assuming through the window).
According to the drawing, it would be impossible to see the kitchen through any window.

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[FightTheOstrich]

According to MP's statement, before he got the garage code from MS, he saw her purse on the counter (assuming through the window).
According to the drawing, it would be impossible to see the kitchen through any window.

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If the plantation shutters/blinds were open on the front doors, MP may have had a clear view of the island/bar in the kitchen.

You may have to click to enlarge the photo.
http://www.news-press.com/story/new.../32565469/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

 

[AZlawyer]

According to MP's statement, before he got the garage code from MS, he saw her purse on the counter (assuming through the window).
According to the drawing, it would be impossible to see the kitchen through any window.

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I think there could be a clear line of sight through the foyer depending on size and placement of the windows.

 

[Dmacky]

If the plantation shutters/blinds were open on the front doors, MP may have had a clear view of the island/bar in the kitchen.

You may have to click to enlarge the photo.
http://www.news-press.com/story/new.../32565469/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

I think there could be a clear line of sight through the foyer depending on size and placement of the windows.

I agree. He had no reason whatsoever to make anything up.

 

[irishchook]

I agree. He had no reason whatsoever to make anything up.

I wasn't suggesting that; just found it curious.

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[Greater Than]

Do we know that MP knew that TS made it home and that MS had tracked her phone? I'm not sure that MS shared that info with MP. MP doesn't mention that fact in his interview. Unless I missed it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwbHVnWVhBMkdIZlk/view

Although MP didn't include that detail in his interview, it sounds like he started to mention it during his 911 call, but for whatever reason stopped himself and switched back to repeating that MS kept trying to call her.

Bates 5107
BBM:

OP: Two or three weeks ago. Okay. And you said she returned today?

MP: Uh, I don't know when she came back but she was supposed to go back -- she was supposed to go to work today at 9:00 and her husband called me from Connecticut to say she didn't show up at work and she's not answering her phone. And he checked her, uh -- he tried calling, tried calling.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwS0lyTFNFamwycjg/view?pref=2&pli=1

I can't think of anything else of hers that MS would have "checked" relating to the situation other than the location of her phone, especially since we know that's exactly what he checked according to his own sworn statement to LE.

That aside, it doesn't add up that MS would tell him such specific details like what airline she flew in on and that she called him as she was paying to exit the parking garage and at what time, but not tell him that he had just tracked her phone to the house and that's why, in part, he's so worried and wants him to go there to check on her. I mean, out of all of that, isn't the tracked phone the most pertinent piece of information to provide to the person he's asking to do a well being check? Who cares what airline she took 10 hours ago...her phone is in the house, right now.

 

[lstiff]

Do we know that MP knew that TS made it home and that MS had tracked her phone? I'm not sure that MS shared that info with MP. MP doesn't mention that fact in his interview. Unless I missed it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwbHVnWVhBMkdIZlk/view

PDF page 490-497
Bates 5103-5110
911 call of the doctor from June 29
Page 494 "she didn't show up at work and she's not answering her phone. And he checked her, uh-he tried calling, tried calling."

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8bjduM3RsYzNCak0/view?pref=2&pli=1

I read that as he almost said checked her (tracked her phone) but I'm not sure why he would not have just said it unless he was just in shock. :thinking:

 

[Greater Than]

I think that Curtis is not singing because he knows that his intelligent self made many mistakes on Marks plan.

Plus Cww may bite the bullet for mark in order for mark to take care of him and his family while he is in jail. Jmo for now.

If this turns into a 1st degree death penalty case, I think all bets are off. I can easily see him throwing MS under the bus in exchange for a plea deal in order to escape the possibility of death row.

Even if he's tried on the current charge, 2nd degree carries 25 to life in Florida. Would he risk a potential sentence of life without the possibility of parole just to save his "brother from an 'other' mother"? IDK, I guess time will tell.

 

[Frigga]

It sure will be interesting to see how this goes. Unless you are my child- I'm not putting anyone else's life or freedom over my own. I guess I don't get the criminal mentality- I would be snitching away like a bad Quidditch match.

I just keep coming back to Curtis' lie of "she stole five years of my life- now I'm gonna take hers". Mark wanted Theresa dead and unless CWW and MS are secret lovers I don't know how at some point that won't factor in to Curtis decisions pertaining to himself.

We shall see...

 

[FightTheOstrich]

PDF page 490-497
Bates 5103-5110
911 call of the doctor from June 29
Page 494 "she didn't show up at work and she's not answering her phone. And he checked her, uh-he tried calling, tried calling."

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8bjduM3RsYzNCak0/view?pref=2&pli=1

I read that as he almost said checked her (tracked her phone) but I'm not sure why he would not have just said it unless he was just in shock. :thinking:

I don't either. It may have just been shock. He seemed very forthcoming during his interview with the detective (finances, marital stress, etc..). To the point of stating/clarifying at one point he didn't know for sure but that's what he he had been told by MS. During the 911 call he stated he last saw TS 2-3 weeks prior but he clarified in his interview with LE that he last saw TS on Wednesday June 17th.

I feel bad for the guy, he may have still been in shock during his interview with LE. It hadn't even been 2 hours since he first called 911. It just seems strange that MP wouldn't mention in his interview with LE that MS had tracked TS's phone.

 

[freekobe0832]

It sure will be interesting to see how this goes. Unless you are my child- I'm not putting anyone else's life or freedom over my own. I guess I don't get the criminal mentality- I would be snitching away like a bad Quidditch match.

I just keep coming back to Curtis' lie of "she stole five years of my life- now I'm gonna take hers". Mark wanted Theresa dead and unless CWW and MS are secret lovers I don't know how at some point that won't factor in to Curtis decisions pertaining to himself.

We shall see...

My thoughts are would CWW take the wrap if MS made sure AW and her family were taken care of? It all depends on how much he truly cares for AW I suppose.

 

[lstiff]

Please let's remember. Lol. MP is a doctor. Lol. He is trained to remember all conversations that he has with patients and staff and others. Jmo

So even if MS told him 1000 things in 2 minutes. MP would probably remember the basics of those 1000 things. Lol.

So Mark seemed way too informative for 1 quick call because the wife was a half an hour late for work.

He probably tracked her movements on the way home from the airport as well.

But he may have done that from another phone and simply called CWW on a disposable phone to let him know that she will be there in 2 minutes. Jmo

It occurred to me after reading this BBM part that maybe she mentioned it (flying Delta) to him on the 17th during their visit. In his interview MP says that he last saw TS on the 17th during a visit. It would be normal conversation to discuss an upcoming trip and include information like airfare deals or airport logistics to where the airline would be mentioned. Just a thought.

MOO