2015.06.29 Sequence of Details learned from the discovery documents

[Matlacha]

My thoughts are would CWW take the wrap if MS made sure AW and her family were taken care of? It all depends on how much he truly cares for AW I suppose.

I would guess he's a sociopath who doesn't care for her at all apart from her income and the help they were getting from her parents. As I recall, that seemed to be AW's father's opinion too.

 

[FelicityLemon]

MP's interview is quite revealing. <snip by fl>
That TS was trying to get out of the lease for her office space. That TS/MS weren't exactly flush and so TS likely didn't carry a lot of cash. And that the stress from running the business had impacted the couple's relationship. <snip by fl>
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwbHVnWVhBMkdIZlk/view

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Yes, thank you MP. Maybe realized during the course of the interview that he is a pawn and knew to say that he was repeating only what MS told him (MP had no firsthand knowledge)

Riiiight. He likely didn't carry a lot of cash - except the $40k in cash at home and we all have that in our sock drawers, right?

Riiiight. The marriage had troubles, but nothing to do with MS cheating and manipulation. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Good informative interview

 

[FelicityLemon]

Truth is shorter than fiction. ~ Irving Cohen

Thank you for this I'm adding it to my list of brilliant quotes that people post here.

:blowkiss:

 

[Frigga]

My thoughts are would CWW take the wrap if MS made sure AW and her family were taken care of? It all depends on how much he truly cares for AW I suppose.

If that is the case then if Mark Sievers is arrested all bets will be off. I think there is a great deal more that will surprise and shock us and I am not easily shocked.

 

[Dmacky]

I don't either. It may have just been shock. He seemed very forthcoming during his interview with the detective (finances, marital stress, etc..). To the point of stating/clarifying at one point he didn't know for sure but that's what he he had been told by MS. During the 911 call he stated he last saw TS 2-3 weeks prior but he clarified in his interview with LE that he last saw TS on Wednesday June 17th.

I feel bad for the guy, he may have still been in shock during his interview with LE. It hadn't even been 2 hours since he first called 911. It just seems strange that MP wouldn't mention in his interview with LE that MS had tracked TS's phone.

BBM ~
Unless he's like me, and not that tech savvy. Maybe he just couldn't think of the right "term" at that moment? IDK, but I sure wouldn't ever want to find myself in his shoes. Poor guy.

 

[Helper9693]

"stress from running the business" Is MS kidding? He didn't have to file insurance, statements were sent out once after a visit...just so clients could file their own insurance, salesperson probable inventoried the supplement on the shelves, office staff probable called in orders of anything out- of-stock in supplements, and a website that essentially ran itself. Parole for 3 people and a few other accounts payable items. A daily deposit. I could do this with one hand tied behind my back.

 

[DaleTray]

I had many of these same thoughts when reading MP interview. I don't feel under normal circumstances MP would have been informed by MS which airline TS flew home on 10 hrs prior. If I were the concerned husband at 9:30 a.m my comments to MP would be something along the lines of "I hope my wife is ok" " I am growing concerned" " She is never late for work" I have tried calling her cell numerous times and she always answers my calls".
I recall reading somewhere on WS a few days ago about most couples security check ins. I would guess the vast majority of happy couples with 2 children stable family would have the wife text/call once arrived in her home safe and sound on a very late p.m.flight. We know the family was security conscious or they wouldnt have had the house security system.

 

[simlyme]

ROFLLLLLLL @ yer squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I LOVE IT!

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In relation to the timing of MP's interview, I do agree that it's natural to have done it as soon as possible because he was the discoverer.
I have a question after reading his account and then looking at the floorplan the fabulous NIN has provided us.

1) I assume it must be possible because MP said so, but I don't understand how, when looking from the outside of the front door, the purse on the counter could be seen.

2) How did her purse get onto the counter if she was ambushed immediately inside the garage/kitchen door?

I don't know the layout of the home, but, in one of the docs it says the purse was on a kitchen island, and there were things strewn about on the floor that investigators said came from her wallet, so, they probably put it there and took whatever money she had in her purse.

 

[atthelake]

I don't know the layout of the home, but, in one of the docs it says the purse was on a kitchen island, and there were things strewn about on the floor that investigators said came from her wallet, so, they probably put it there and took whatever money she had in her purse.

See post number #74 of this thread. It has the floor plan.

HTH

 

[FightTheOstrich]

"stress from running the business" Is MS kidding? He didn't have to file insurance, statements were sent out once after a visit...just so clients could file their own insurance, salesperson probable inventoried the supplement on the shelves, office staff probable called in orders of anything out- of-stock in supplements, and a website that essentially ran itself. Parole for 3 people and a few other accounts payable items. A daily deposit. I could do this with one hand tied behind my back.

I know right? I think the only stress MS had was keeping up with his lies.

I think MP was referring to the fact that MS was running TS's practice into the ground and the fact that they had cash flow issues, a lot of debt, etc... Because MP also mentions that TS was trying to get out of her lease.

I suspect that the fights between the couple that multiple neighbors mentioned in their statements and the "stress" MP referred to correspond directly to TS learning that they owed the IRS a large sum of money, the issues with her leased office space and the fact that they had cash flow issues.

TS met MP when she was in med school and he was a resident. He may have mentored her and it sounds like he was privy to the business issues related to her practice.

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BATES 5292

JN: No malpractice lawsuits?

MP: No. I --uh, I -- she would have told me about that. I don't know what with the, uh, office building that she is in, I don't know what is going on. I know we talked about it on several occasions, about, uh, her lease and she was tryin' to get out of it and move to a different location.

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Perhaps he was one of TS's confidants. I thought it was interesting that MP asked his wife to call TS on Sunday. And she had planned on calling TS on Monday. Idk, just made me think that MP knew there was trouble in paradise and that TS might want to talk when MS wasn't around.

 

[Scout]

BBM ~
Unless he's like me, and not that tech savvy. Maybe he just couldn't think of the right "term" at that moment? IDK, but I sure wouldn't ever want to find myself in his shoes. Poor guy.

I think it's likely that he stopped himself from completing that sentence because he knew it might look bad for Mark. It's normal not to suspect someone you know of being a murderer. It's also common knowledge that the spouse is automatically looked at first in such cases. A person in MP's situation would likely consider MS innocent and expect him to be cleared in short order. He might not want to say anything that would cast undue (in his mind) suspicion on MS. I'm not saying he was covering for MS -- just that he might have been a little hesitant to include that detail at that point in time.

 

[Scout]

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Perhaps he was one of TS's confidants. I thought it was interesting that MP asked his wife to call TS on Sunday. And she had planned on calling TS on Monday. Idk, just made me think that MP knew there was trouble in paradise and that TS might want to talk when MS wasn't around.

That struck me, too, FtO. I'm expecting to see follow-up interview(s) transcripts of Dr. Petrites later. The value of his testimony has much more to do with the case against MS than with the case against either of the hitmen.

 

[Dmacky]

I am confused on the Sunday June 29th security system thing.
I know that it was disarmed at 6:09-ish/am. Then was it armed again at 8:01? Because BS said she came at 8:15 and there was no record of that time?? Is that correct?

I know the monsters were in the house that morning, but I'm confused on the 8:01 thing. Did they arm it when they left at 8 that morning?
And when BS came at 8:15 did she disarm it to get in? Since there is no record of 8:15 from the security place, did she actually come at 8:01, or did it just not record her disarming it because it was already unarmed?
I know this makes no sense, I can't find the right words.
Can you guys can help me out with the correct wording and times.
TIA~ and I'm not really as dumb as I sound :wink:

She was pretty sure she was not there at 8:01, so why did it not record her coming at 8:15ish? I'm really trying to make it clear what I'm asking :tantrum:

 

[lstiff]

I am confused on the Sunday June 29th security system thing.
I know that it was disarmed at 6:09-ish/am. Then was it armed again at 8:01? Because BS said she came at 8:15 and there was no record of that time?? Is that correct?

I know the monsters were in the house that morning, but I'm confused on the 8:01 thing. Did they arm it when they left at 8 that morning?
And when BS came at 8:15 did she disarm it to get in? Since there is no record of 8:15 from the security place, did she actually come at 8:01, or did it just not record her disarming it because it was already unarmed?
I know this makes no sense, I can't find the right words.
Can you guys can help me out with the correct wording and times.
TIA~ and I'm not really as dumb as I sound :wink:

She was pretty sure she was not there at 8:01, so why did it not record her coming at 8:15ish? I'm really trying to make it clear what I'm asking :tantrum:

Do you mean 6:01am? She was not there that early but the system was armed at that time. I'm not sure where the detailed documents of that are but it is in the 1st batch.

 

[AZlawyer]

I am confused on the Sunday June 29th security system thing.
I know that it was disarmed at 6:09-ish/am. Then was it armed again at 8:01? Because BS said she came at 8:15 and there was no record of that time?? Is that correct?

I know the monsters were in the house that morning, but I'm confused on the 8:01 thing. Did they arm it when they left at 8 that morning?
And when BS came at 8:15 did she disarm it to get in? Since there is no record of 8:15 from the security place, did she actually come at 8:01, or did it just not record her disarming it because it was already unarmed?
I know this makes no sense, I can't find the right words.
Can you guys can help me out with the correct wording and times.
TIA~ and I'm not really as dumb as I sound :wink:

She was pretty sure she was not there at 8:01, so why did it not record her coming at 8:15ish? I'm really trying to make it clear what I'm asking :tantrum:

When BS showed up, it wasn't armed (so she thought she had set it wrong the night before), but she armed it when she left. So IMO most likely the evildoers disarmed it at 6:09, then left in short order. Then BS showed up before 8 and left, arming the system, at 8:01.

So either she was mistaken and got there a bit earlier than she thought, or the time stamps are off.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

That struck me, too, FtO. I'm expecting to see follow-up interview(s) transcripts of Dr. Petrites later. The value of his testimony has much more to do with the case against MS than with the case against either of the hitmen.

I hope we hear more from MP too. I think we will. I think he was at least privy to the business side of the TS/MS dynamic.

We've all wondered why MS chose MP to find TS. Initially I thought maybe out of convenience or because MS was confident that MP doesn't have a flair for the dramatic and wouldn't air dirty laundry without being prompted.

But now I wonder if MS was punishing MP? Perhaps he had advised TS to hire an experienced office manager or suggested she join a group practice to cut down on expenses. Thus eliminating MS from the equation.

 

[Scout]

I hope we hear more from MP too. I think we will. I think he was at least privy to the business side of the TS/MS dynamic.

We've all wondered why MS chose MP to find TS. Initially I thought maybe out of convenience or because MS was confident that MP doesn't have a flair for the dramatic and wouldn't air dirty laundry without being prompted.

But now I wonder if MS was punishing MP? Perhaps he had advised TS to hire an experienced office manager or suggested she join a group practice to cut down on expenses. Thus eliminating MS from the equation.

Quite possible. I think Petrites was downplaying the problems in the marriage. Teresa may have talked to one or both of the Petrites about divorcing Mark. I would think that if TS was heading in that direction, her first step would have been to separate herself from MS professionally in order to minimize complications. It would be a nightmare to try to divorce someone who is controlling your professional life.

Reading through Petrites' interview, I get the distinct impression that suspicions about MS are popping up in his mind as he recounts everything. He doesn't want to go there, but can't shake the burgeoning realizations.

 

[Frigga]

Would someone be so kind as to link to just Dr MP's interview- pretty please?

 

[FightTheOstrich]

Would someone be so kind as to link to just Dr MP's interview- pretty please?

Here ya go!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwbHVnWVhBMkdIZlk/view

 

[FightTheOstrich]

The pertinent files regarding the 911 call and the time shortly before, during and shortly after the call:

1. 911 Call made by Dr P

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwS0lyTFNFamwycjg/view?usp=sharing

2. The preliminary report

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwQlY1VTRzTWtFRms/view?usp=sharing

3. Dr P Interviews:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwbHVnWVhBMkdIZlk/view?usp=sharing

4. BS Interviews 1,2 and 3:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwR3NseEF5SVQ2dDA/view?usp=sharing


-Nin

Just thought I would bump this post for those that missed it. I'm so grateful that Nin did this for us! :loveyou:

I can't take credit for the link I posted. I "lifted" it from Nin.