2015.07.06 SMS confirms that CWW was a POI as early as July 6th

  • #81
AmazonRain. Your posts are fascinating. Thanks so much for your contributions!

Do you think the following is possible?

MS & CWW plan the murder of that precious lady at wedding

They don't think they'll get caught as they've planned the perfect plan/alibi.

Day or so immediately after murder Sheriff tells family - not in media yet - that 'try as they might, and murderers ALMOST pulled it off but we did manage to get DNA rushed to lab.

MS panics. Oh sh--! They're going to find out who did it. MS immediately contacts Sheriff. 'I've tried my whole life to give CWW second chances, but he's a just a SCUM BAG and I think HE might be the one responsible for my beautiful wife's murder!'. Throwing CWW under the bus - distancing himself from the hit he orchestrated.
 
  • #82
AmazonRain. Your posts are fascinating. Thanks so much for your contributions!

Do you think the following is possible?

MS & CWW plan the murder of that precious lady at wedding

They don't think they'll get caught as they've planned the perfect plan/alibi.

Day or so immediately after murder Sheriff tells family - not in media yet - that 'try as they might, and murderers ALMOST pulled it off but we did manage to get DNA rushed to lab.

MS panics. Oh sh--! They're going to find out who did it. MS immediately contacts Sheriff. 'I've tried my whole life to give CWW second chances, but he's a just a SCUM BAG and I think HE might be the one responsible for my beautiful wife's murder!'. Throwing CWW under the bus - distancing himself from the hit he orchestrated.

I DEFINITELY think that is possible. However, I think it is MORE likely that LE was tipped off in some other way and at the point that CWW was brought up to MS he went completely silent and hasn't cooperated with LE since that time.

We have to keep in mind that MS is very slick and has alot of time on his hands. I suspect before and after this crime MS has thought of every angle.
Also, everything that I am hearing (and I have posted some) points to a brother like friendship between CWW and MS so I think it is more likely that they are protecting each other 100% unless/until they are faced with death themselves, which is more likely to be something CWW is facing first.
 
  • #83
I DEFINITELY think that is possible. However, I think it is MORE likely that LE was tipped off in some other way and at the point that CWW was brought up to MS he went completely silent and hasn't cooperated with LE since that time.

We have to keep in mind that MS is very slick and has alot of time on his hands. I suspect before and after this crime MS has thought of every angle.
Also, everything that I am hearing (and I have posted some) points to a brother like friendship between CWW and MS so I think it is more likely that they are protecting each other 100% unless/until they are faced with death themselves, which is more likely to be something CWW is facing first.

Wow. Thanks so much for your insightful opinions. I'm still just flabbergasted of the cruelty.

AR, do you think TS may have been super pisst at starting to realize business dealings aren't on the up and up and maybe even a little scared of MS or do you think she was blindsided with the horrendous murder - never knowing what a hornets nest she was sitting on?
 
  • #84
It is my understanding that CWW did not stay in a hotel at the time of the funeral and may have stayed with friends or family of MS as arranged by MS. I don't know this for 100% fact but I remember it being mentioned to me a while back. Don't be fooled. If MS led LE to CWW, he only did it after CWW was already presented or suspected directly or indirectly as a suspect by LE. These two were thick as thieves for the past 30 years, haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.

Also very interesting that I have not been able to confirm with one person that CWW was seen in the office at any time or that TS knew who he was. Again, I think that was by design on the part of MS.​









Very interesting. Even if CWW wasn't a suspect or POI, and simply a friend from Missouri in Florida to comfort MS/attend the funeral...how strange is it that CWW (maybe) didn't stay at a hotel or otherwise make accommodations for himself AND his wife? I get that it is possible perhaps the lack of notice (ya, right) made it a challenge for CWW to find lodging but it wasn't even tourist season! I guess the next explanation (excuse) would be that CWW couldn't afford to stay in hotel, but apparently could afford plane tickets for himself and AW and/or gas money to drive from MO to FL.

It just seems 'off' to me that less than a week after TS was brutally murdered, 'friends' from out of town would impose on the family in this way. Maybe its just me, and my personal boundaries. IMO, MS should have been completely focused on his own grief, comforting the girls and surrounding them with family. Not hosting MS and AW or worrying about where they were going to stay. If CWW and AW were staying with family of MS, just as odd. Shouldn't family of MS be grieving, who wants to add to the stress by hosting another couple in their home?

I wonder if LE put the crime scene tape up on the day of the funeral because they were worried CWW would show up with MS at Jarvis and potentially concoct a story to explain away any DNA evidence. Or at least attempt to confuse a jury with an alternative theory about just how evidence linking CWW to the home ended up there.

Skinner said LE didn't immediately release the home back to MS. I wonder if LE released the home back to MS on the day of, or a few days before the 6th. CWW shows up in FL sometime before funeral, becomes POI. LE doesn't want CWW to taint the crime scene after MS is allowed to return to Jarvis, so they went back on the 6th with crime scene tape?
 
  • #85
I completely forgot that receipt, all they need is to view the video for the time on the receipt and see who it is. If they paid cash, they might not know the name of the person/s but could have showed MS and ask if he recognized the person/s. Man, I love surveillance video. Plus, given what others here have said about Walmart surveillance being state-of-the-art, they can see the parking lot video at the time they left the store and potentially see the license plate.

BBM
My thoughts exactly Felicity. What good is a Walmart Video tape, if you don't know WHO you are looking for. I am still very much under the impression that they found a Walmart receipt in CWW's house during the raid on July 12. That receipt would have everything needed for LE to ask to examine that store video, and subsequently hit "pay dirt"
The date
The time
And the LOCATION of that particular Walmart.
 
  • #86
I DEFINITELY think that is possible. However, I think it is MORE likely that LE was tipped off in some other way and at the point that CWW was brought up to MS he went completely silent and hasn't cooperated with LE since that time.

We have to keep in mind that MS is very slick and has alot of time on his hands. I suspect before and after this crime MS has thought of every angle.
Also, everything that I am hearing (and I have posted some) points to a brother like friendship between CWW and MS so I think it is more likely that they are protecting each other 100% unless/until they are faced with death themselves, which is more likely to be something CWW is facing first.

To me, MS' silence says so much. Anything he says could make it back CWW, who might then re-think the brotherhood thing. MS is in a tough spot, IMO.
 
  • #87
It may be in the timeline but I have not looked.

TS is killed and the killers drive back to MO. Two days of driving.

CWW and wife fly to Florida to console bff.

I wonder where they stayed.

Airlines have compassionate fares for funerals but the price is very high, I feel.

Quite an expense for a couple to fly and pay for lodging. Maybe it is really inexpensive at that tine of year? A real bff

Not necessarily expensive if you've recently been richly endowed by conducting a recent murder for hire hit.
 
  • #88
I completely forgot that receipt, all they need is to view the video for the time on the receipt and see who it is. If they paid cash, they might not know the name of the person/s but could have showed MS and ask if he recognized the person/s. Man, I love surveillance video. Plus, given what others here have said about Walmart surveillance being state-of-the-art, they can see the parking lot video at the time they left the store and potentially see the license plate.

If they purchased coveralls or a hammer that could be the WalMart video LEO found. If I purchased a hammer to kill someone, the receipt evidence would be in the nearest trash bin pronto!
 
  • #89
Very interesting. Even if CWW wasn't a suspect or POI, and simply a friend from Missouri in Florida to comfort MS/attend the funeral...how strange is it that CWW (maybe) didn't stay at a hotel or otherwise make accommodations for himself AND his wife? I get that it is possible perhaps the lack of notice (ya, right) made it a challenge for CWW to find lodging but it wasn't even tourist season! I guess the next explanation (excuse) would be that CWW couldn't afford to stay in hotel, but apparently could afford plane tickets for himself and AW and/or gas money to drive from MO to FL.

It just seems 'off' to me that less than a week after TS was brutally murdered, 'friends' from out of town would impose on the family in this way. Maybe its just me, and my personal boundaries. IMO, MS should have been completely focused on his own grief, comforting the girls and surrounding them with family. Not hosting MS and AW or worrying about where they were going to stay. If CWW and AW were staying with family of MS, just as odd. Shouldn't family of MS be grieving, who wants to add to the stress by hosting another couple in their home?

I wonder if LE put the crime scene tape up on the day of the funeral because they were worried CWW would show up with MS at Jarvis and potentially concoct a story to explain away any DNA evidence. Or at least attempt to confuse a jury with an alternative theory about just how evidence linking CWW to the home ended up there.

Skinner said LE didn't immediately release the home back to MS. I wonder if LE released the home back to MS on the day of, or a few days before the 6th. CWW shows up in FL sometime before funeral, becomes POI. LE doesn't want CWW to taint the crime scene after MS is allowed to return to Jarvis, so they went back on the 6th with crime scene tape?
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The crime tape went down around noon to early afternoon on Friday, July 3rd. Later afternoon and that night MS and relatives/ friends? were inside the house. MS stayed in the car first. That Friday, they also cleaned the house. The house was completely released on Friday July 3rd to MS.

-Nin
 
  • #90
If they purchased coveralls or a hammer that could be the WalMart video LEO found. If I purchased a hammer to kill someone, the receipt evidence would be in the nearest trash bin pronto!

Maybe they left something else as a red herring.
 
  • #91
My friend has a convenience store that was burgled last week probably by high school boys. He is a super businessman and has great cameras where the things are recorded on discs that he saves.

However, the cameras did not show the faces good enough so he is going to install even more cameras.

I wonder how expensive the Boasch system is? These kids have done a lot of burglaries in homes , garages, and car break ins. Very middle class neighborhood. It would be nice to nip them in the bud.

A couple years ago there was a teen athlete superstar that broke into a wealthy home and was surprised by the teen who lived there. He killed the kid in the house,

Good to stop these before tragedy strikes.
 
  • #92
AmazonRain. Your posts are fascinating. Thanks so much for your contributions!

Do you think the following is possible?

MS & CWW plan the murder of that precious lady at wedding
CHECK
They don't think they'll get caught as they've planned the perfect plan/alibi.
CHECK
Day or so immediately after murder Sheriff tells family - not in media yet - that 'try as they might, and murderers ALMOST pulled it off but we did manage to get DNA rushed to lab.
CHECK
MS panics. Oh sh--! (OH SH-- YAH, CHECK) They're going to find out who did it. MS immediately contacts Sheriff. 'I've tried my whole life to give CWW second chances, but he's a just a SCUM BAG and I think HE might be the one responsible for my beautiful wife's murder!'. (and he has had years of problems, went to prison, maybe even killed before CHECK, DOUBLE CHECK) Throwing CWW under the bus - distancing himself from the hit he orchestrated. CHECK
I inserted checks in red above, sorry forgot to mention.
PESKYSLEUTH From one of my fav' movies: "I think she's got it! She's got it! By George she's got it! BRAVO!"
Oh and CWW is such a bad guy, I took my wedding ring off before I went to Missouri...because he would have stolen the ring WRIGHT off my finger!
(the last sentence is entirely my private observation of some things that could have been told to LE, in order to explain photos on WS site, in which MS was NOT WEARING HIS WEDDING RING. BTW, I've never seen so much "laying on of hands" at a wedding... I've seen brides being lifted in chairs....but nothing like this....even when identical twins get married. :blushing:)
 
  • #93
I spent 15 minutes trying to find a video I saw a few weeks ago, and cannot find it. But it showed that at the Walmarts, the cams do more than facial recognition. They also analyze your gait, stride, various body movements, and is fed into their database (of course) and this system assesses what items you pick up (bar codes are scanned from cams) and are constantly building more accurate profiles on everyone.

All so they can sell you a better microwave at the best time, right? ha

Anyway, back to this thread: I don't remember who on here wrote it, but when I read the post I thought, "Damn clever".

The idea that if Wayne is involved (I still have not seen the evidence) and he wanted to frame JR if things go sideways, that he stayed behind in his car on the parking lot (perhaps not realizing just how sophisticated their cams are now pointing out into the parking lot) and sent JR in for whatever, knowing that JR could be the fall-guy.

More than likely, if this all happens to be true, WW did not go into the house with JR, so there is no evidence of Wayne there, and JR could be holding the fire alone.

Whoever wrote that is definitely thinking and getting back away from the forest so he/she could see the trees.
 
  • #94
I spent 15 minutes trying to find a video I saw a few weeks ago, and cannot find it. But it showed that at the Walmarts, the cams do more than facial recognition. They also analyze your gait, stride, various body movements, and is fed into their database (of course) and this system assesses what items you pick up (bar codes are scanned from cams) and are constantly building more accurate profiles on everyone.

All so they can sell you a better microwave at the best time, right? ha

Anyway, back to this thread: I don't remember who on here wrote it, but when I read the post I thought, "Damn clever".

The idea that if Wayne is involved (I still have not seen the evidence) and he wanted to frame JR if things go sideways, that he stayed behind in his car on the parking lot (perhaps not realizing just how sophisticated their cams are now pointing out into the parking lot) and sent JR in for whatever, knowing that JR could be the fall-guy.

More than likely, if this all happens to be true, WW did not go into the house with JR, so there is no evidence of Wayne there, and JR could be holding the fire alone.

Whoever wrote that is definitely thinking and getting back away from the forest so he/she could see the trees.
Ok Skinner, you've now scared the skedaddle out of me! I will shop in disguise and wear 2 different shoes (one with a low heel and with a higher heel) so I'll appear to have a limp! LOL. BTW, thank you for the effort of providing such great info.
But, I wondered if you could think back to the time when you said it wouldn't look good for MS if CWW was in Bonita Springs that weekend (or did you say if he was in Florida?). Now that the Walmart info, has come out....are you beginning to think maybe, just maybe...someone may have been trying to dissuade you? (Btw, you don't have to answer my question, because I was just glad you shared the "facial recognition" info. That was really, really interesting.)
 
  • #95
I inserted checks in red above, sorry forgot to mention.
PESKYSLEUTH From one of my fav' movies: "I think she's got it! She's got it! By George she's got it! BRAVO!"
Oh and CWW is such a bad guy, I took my wedding ring off before I went to Missouri...because he would have stolen the ring WRIGHT off my finger!
(the last sentence is entirely my private observation of some things that could have been told to LE, in order to explain photos on WS site, in which MS was NOT WEARING HIS WEDDING RING. BTW, I've never seen so much "laying on of hands" at a wedding... I've seen brides being lifted in chairs....but nothing like this....even when identical twins get married. :blushing:)

BMM ~ hi I :wave:
I know I've read here that some of the posters have said they have seen worse. I have too, about 20 years ago. These men are nearing the half century mark. That was what made me do a double take. Not appropriate for 47 year old men.

ETA ~ this is what I am referring to
"I've never seen so much "laying on of hands" at a wedding"
 
  • #96
Very interesting. Even if CWW wasn't a suspect or POI, and simply a friend from Missouri in Florida to comfort MS/attend the funeral...how strange is it that CWW (maybe) didn't stay at a hotel or otherwise make accommodations for himself AND his wife? I get that it is possible perhaps the lack of notice (ya, right) made it a challenge for CWW to find lodging but it wasn't even tourist season! I guess the next explanation (excuse) would be that CWW couldn't afford to stay in hotel, but apparently could afford plane tickets for himself and AW and/or gas money to drive from MO to FL.

It just seems 'off' to me that less than a week after TS was brutally murdered, 'friends' from out of town would impose on the family in this way. Maybe its just me, and my personal boundaries. IMO, MS should have been completely focused on his own grief, comforting the girls and surrounding them with family. Not hosting MS and AW or worrying about where they were going to stay. If CWW and AW were staying with family of MS, just as odd. Shouldn't family of MS be grieving, who wants to add to the stress by hosting another couple in their home?

I wonder if LE put the crime scene tape up on the day of the funeral because they were worried CWW would show up with MS at Jarvis and potentially concoct a story to explain away any DNA evidence. Or at least attempt to confuse a jury with an alternative theory about just how evidence linking CWW to the home ended up there.

Skinner said LE didn't immediately release the home back to MS. I wonder if LE released the home back to MS on the day of, or a few days before the 6th. CWW shows up in FL sometime before funeral, becomes POI. LE doesn't want CWW to taint the crime scene after MS is allowed to return to Jarvis, so they went back on the 6th with crime scene tape?


Keep in mind, it isn't an imposition if it's your "brother"
 
  • #97
The idea that if Wayne is involved (I still have not seen the evidence) and he wanted to frame JR if things go sideways, that he stayed behind in his car on the parking lot (perhaps not realizing just how sophisticated their cams are now pointing out into the parking lot) and sent JR in for whatever, knowing that JR could be the fall-guy.

More than likely, if this all happens to be true, WW did not go into the house with JR, so there is no evidence of Wayne there, and JR could be holding the fire alone.

Whoever wrote that is definitely thinking and getting back away from the forest so he/she could see the trees.

When a crime such as murder is committed, aren't both people involved usually charged equally as if both had actually committed the crime? Especially when both suspects are from out of state and went to the degree of planning and execution (poor word selection, sorry) of the murder that they did? In other words, law enforcement would rightfully charge both Wright and Rodgers for the murder of Teresa Sievers. If Curtis Wright thought he was smart enough to bring Jimmy Rodgers in on the crime to take the rap for murder and escape murder charges for himself, I think he was mistaken. I hope he was mistaken anyway.

Also... I find all this new information to be very interesting. Why? Because wasn't it Sheriff Scott that originally said "about two weeks after the murder they received information that led the investigation to Missouri?"

I'm trying to reconcile that statement with all this new information and it doesn't make sense to me. Sheriff Scott seemed at first to suggest that their investigation wasn't looking at anyone in Missouri for almost two weeks. Based on this latest bit of information, it now seems they were looking at Curtis Wright from early on (if not right away). Am I missing something here?

And I think ("think" being the operative word here) this new information also suggests that Mark Sievers was helping with the investigation, and likely knew nothing about Wright and Rodgers' plan to kill his wife. Fair enough. And if so, then how in the world did Wright know that Teresa was coming home a) by herself and b) a day earlier than the rest of the Sievers family?

Because I see three problems if Wright and Rodgers' plan was to kill Teresa when she returned home with the entire family, as scheduled, late Sunday afternoon/evening;

Problem 1 - If Teresa was the sole intended victim, would Wright and Rodgers risk killing her if her husband Mark was also home (unless they were prepared to kill him as well)?

Problem 2 - If Wright and Rodgers murdered Teresa on Sunday night instead of Saturday night, would that have given them enough time to drive the 1,200 miles back to Missouri by Monday night at five or six o'clock when Rodgers (for whatever reason) was said to have been expected back?

Sidebar: In fact, does anyone know when the pair did arrive back in Missouri from Florida or is that info also under wraps? Maybe they were able to drive 1,200 miles in 18 hours, but it seems very unlikely. Unless they both spent time behind the wheel and only stopped for food, fuel and bathroom breaks. Then maybe.

And of course Problem 3 - if Wright and Rodgers' plan was to kill Teresa Sunday afternoon/evening when she returned from vacation with the rest of her family, why were they both at the Sievers' residence by Saturday night? That's 24 hours of down-time out of a 72 hour window when time is of the essence. Doesn't make sense to me.

Well hopefully everything will make sense when all the evidence is made public. But until then, if anyone has an opinion on Sheriff's Scott's two seemingly conflicting statements regarding what they knew and when they knew it, I'm all ears. As always, "TIA" in advance. :)
 
  • #98
I spent 15 minutes trying to find a video I saw a few weeks ago, and cannot find it. But it showed that at the Walmarts, the cams do more than facial recognition. They also analyze your gait, stride, various body movements, and is fed into their database (of course) and this system assesses what items you pick up (bar codes are scanned from cams) and are constantly building more accurate profiles on everyone.

All so they can sell you a better microwave at the best time, right? ha

Anyway, back to this thread: I don't remember who on here wrote it, but when I read the post I thought, "Damn clever".

The idea that if Wayne is involved (I still have not seen the evidence) and he wanted to frame JR if things go sideways, that he stayed behind in his car on the parking lot (perhaps not realizing just how sophisticated their cams are now pointing out into the parking lot) and sent JR in for whatever, knowing that JR could be the fall-guy.

More than likely, if this all happens to be true, WW did not go into the house with JR, so there is no evidence of Wayne there, and JR could be holding the fire alone.

Whoever wrote that is definitely thinking and getting back away from the forest so he/she could see the trees.

I think that was my post, trying to see the trees. I don't doubt for a second that CWW was more aware than the average person about security cameras, and Walmart (or any large corporate chain) would be the last place he'd purchase items while trying to conceal his whereabouts. So, it is only logical to presume that CWW wasn't trying to conceal his movements by going to Walmart, and the location could have been part of a larger back up plan (send JR into Walmart, blame him if necessary).

In the alternative, it could have been less planned out. More likely scenario, IMO, the choice was more of a spontaneous one i.e. Walmart was the only store open 24 hours in the area, and/or CWW didn't think the parking lot cameras were as advanced as the in store system.

I happen to think that it was JR who did not go into the house, and there is evidence CWW was there, OR there is no DNA/print evidence of either of the two. JR was in the federal system. He was on supervised release from prison, his DNA and prints would have been easily matched. I'm not sure if CWW was ever court ordered to provide DNA samples, I'm sure his fingerprints are in the system but DNA? I'd be surprised. I still think its possible that JR was some kind of 'look out' and decided to smoke a cigarette. Maybe a cigarette was found outside the home or at the dog park. We still don't know why LE was combing the dog park.

It just occurred to me while writing this post that maybe it was some kind of cigarette or gum discarded not AT the scene, but very close by. Close enough that LE tested the evidence for DNA and lo and behold, a hit. A felon from MO. These facts might also explain why LE was surprised by the length of time they would be in MO. If LCSO went to investigate (rule out) why JR's DNA was on unsuspicious evidence not far from the scene...like a cigarette butt at the dog park, I could see how that might not be a huge deal at first, but once connections were made, big deal.
 
  • #99
I think that was my post, trying to see the trees. I don't doubt for a second that CWW was more aware than the average person about security cameras, and Walmart (or any large corporate chain) would be the last place he'd purchase items while trying to conceal his whereabouts. So, it is only logical to presume that CWW wasn't trying to conceal his movements by going to Walmart, and the location could have been part of a larger back up plan (send JR into Walmart, blame him if necessary).

In the alternative, it could have been less planned out. More likely scenario, IMO, the choice was more of a spontaneous one i.e. Walmart was the only store open 24 hours in the area, and/or CWW didn't think the parking lot cameras were as advanced as the in store system.

I happen to think that it was JR who did not go into the house, and there is evidence CWW was there, OR there is no DNA/print evidence of either of the two. JR was in the federal system. He was on supervised release from prison, his DNA and prints would have been easily matched. I'm not sure if CWW was ever court ordered to provide DNA samples, I'm sure his fingerprints are in the system but DNA? I'd be surprised. I still think its possible that JR was some kind of 'look out' and decided to smoke a cigarette. Maybe a cigarette was found outside the home or at the dog park. We still don't know why LE was combing the dog park.

It just occurred to me while writing this post that maybe it was some kind of cigarette or gum discarded not AT the scene, but very close by. Close enough that LE tested the evidence for DNA and lo and behold, a hit. A felon from MO. These facts might also explain why LE was surprised by the length of time they would be in MO. If LCSO went to investigate (rule out) why JR's DNA was on unsuspicious evidence not far from the scene...like a cigarette butt at the dog park, I could see how that might not be a huge deal at first, but once connections were made, big deal.

Very interesting post. The whole receipt from Wal Mart has never sounded "good" to me either, as the way they "caught" CWW or JR or both. I never thought about DNA on an item from two convicted FELONS. Hmmm. Hasn't there been an effort here in the US to have DNA from every felon entered into a database?
 
  • #100
I spent 15 minutes trying to find a video I saw a few weeks ago, and cannot find it. But it showed that at the Walmarts, the cams do more than facial recognition. They also analyze your gait, stride, various body movements, and is fed into their database (of course) and this system assesses what items you pick up (bar codes are scanned from cams) and are constantly building more accurate profiles on everyone.

All so they can sell you a better microwave at the best time, right? ha

Anyway, back to this thread: I don't remember who on here wrote it, but when I read the post I thought, "Damn clever".

The idea that if Wayne is involved (I still have not seen the evidence) and he wanted to frame JR if things go sideways, that he stayed behind in his car on the parking lot (perhaps not realizing just how sophisticated their cams are now pointing out into the parking lot) and sent JR in for whatever, knowing that JR could be the fall-guy.

More than likely, if this all happens to be true, WW did not go into the house with JR, so there is no evidence of Wayne there, and JR could be holding the fire alone.

Whoever wrote that is definitely thinking and getting back away from the forest so he/she could see the trees.

The only flaw is that JR isn't going to take the whole rap alone & he will sing like a canary. And I'm sure there's enough technology + evidence to link CWW to JR and consequently the murder.

CWW made JR his partner -- there's plenty of forensic evidence, internet communications, phone logs, wire taps, etc.
LE does not have to rely on crumbs to link these two together.
Accomplices talk.....and then LE secures the evidence to confirm the allegations of association.

I think there's plenty of "loose lips" surrounding this case that we will soon hear about & I'm grateful for them!

Moo
 

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